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Post by Jomo on Jun 17, 2019 13:59:31 GMT
Just in case this wasn't irony, they mean October 2018... Here he is...
Haha not a lot gets passed me I'll have you know 😄
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 17, 2019 14:22:42 GMT
According to the other forum, according to this forum news is due in October. October 2018 must have been around the time the ALQ's/third party hoped to agree a deal with the UWE, given that seems to be dead I can't imagine we've managed to up with a more "fruitful" plan within just a few months.
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Post by chewbacca on Jun 17, 2019 14:25:00 GMT
According to the other forum, according to this forum news is due in October. October 2018 must have been around the time the ALQ's/third party hoped to agree a deal with the UWE, given that seems to be dead I can't imagine we've managed to up with a more "fruitful" plan within just a few months. More of a funeral plan.
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 17, 2019 14:49:12 GMT
October 2018 must have been around the time the ALQ's/third party hoped to agree a deal with the UWE, given that seems to be dead I can't imagine we've managed to up with a more "fruitful" plan within just a few months. More of a funeral plan. Arnos Vale?
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Post by piratesquarters on Jun 17, 2019 15:14:31 GMT
Well it is the dead centre of Bristol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 15:18:23 GMT
The big word in there Gassy is IF the reports are true. Everyone is speculating, if it was that clear cut why hasn't Wael or the club said that to clear the air? MY own view (and it is only a view) is that both the training ground and the stadium were predicated on unreasonable/naive assumptions about using other developments to fund them which have not come to fruition This was my assumption as well, but agreed that it is only speculation on my part. The whole reason given at the first collapse of UWE not going to Jordan to thrash out a deal, was bizarre and frankly ridiculous. That's when my faith in the ALQ's diminished significantly. If that truly was the final nail in the coffin of the deal then I would be disgusted that the club's opportunity for progress was abandoned due to something so trivial. Of course there would be other factors at play, but no final decision can be made because of this. The whole UWE deal collapsed because they wouldn’t go to Jordan is an urban myth... that isn’t the reason it collapsed in the first place. Someone said that on here to suit their narrative and it’s now suddenly become fact! The reason it fell through is because in the eyes of the club (and let’s be frank it’s their opinion that matters as they own 92% of the club and are accountable for the day to day costs and expenses etc) it wasn’t an acceptable deal. Now why they thought that is entirely down to them and only the people directly involved will know why they thought that and everything else is hearsay and speculation.....
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Post by Jomo on Jun 17, 2019 15:30:14 GMT
This was my assumption as well, but agreed that it is only speculation on my part. The whole reason given at the first collapse of UWE not going to Jordan to thrash out a deal, was bizarre and frankly ridiculous. That's when my faith in the ALQ's diminished significantly. If that truly was the final nail in the coffin of the deal then I would be disgusted that the club's opportunity for progress was abandoned due to something so trivial. Of course there would be other factors at play, but no final decision can be made because of this. The whole UWE deal collapsed because they wouldn’t go to Jordan is an urban myth... that isn’t the reason it collapsed in the first place. Someone said that on here to suit their narrative and it’s now suddenly become fact! The reason it fell through is because in the eyes of the club (and let’s be frank it’s their opinion that matters as they own 92% of the club and are accountable for the day to day costs and expenses etc) it wasn’t an acceptable deal. Now why they thought that is entirely down to them and only the people directly involved will know why they thought that and everything else is hearsay and speculation..... Regarding the UWE not going to Jordan thing, I'm 99.999% sure I heard it directly from Wael and/or Hamer in interviews on the Radio in the aftermath of it. It wasn't just made up on here. I can assure you made up BS wateres me off just as much as it does many others on here including yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 15:30:17 GMT
Micheal Cunnah was the man you are referring to when the ALQs took over, who had already seen the plans for the stadium way before the ALQs took over. He was brought in to lead the development once the stadium site had been agreed. Micheal Cunnah was not here to develop the Mem. The training facility that they want cost far more than the budget allowed. Wael says now that is part of the stadium deal once it goes through. Which is why it hasn’t been started yet. DS along with Ed Ware tried to resurrect the UWE. DS worked along side all parties as they wanted the stadium. A deal was agreed. And then UWE reneged on that deal at the 11th hour. I’m not going to tell you the details I have been told as it isn’t my place, but their request was not only unorthodox, but completely astronomical and beyond any form of business sense. If you really want to know, why not try and get the answer from them. His interview with 20man was speaking about his perspective. He will be involved in all the meetings, it’s his club in business title and he wants to build a stadium so of course there is effort on his part. I too once was a sceptic of the ALQ reign. Lots of posters will tell you on here I was far from their biggest fan. However I realise there is an agenda at play, with the fuel to turn people who have a sceptical opinion like you against the owners. Read between the lines and you’ll see it. This same person who lied to you (apparently) has also given everything the last manager wanted, to him. One of the largest squads in the league both first team and U23. One of the largest backroom teams in the league for non paying staff. And commercially has gotten someone in to get us on the front foot for marketing the club properly to help generate income. As well as purchase land for a training ground and actively seek a stadium site for development. If someone was that lazy or that much of a halfwit wouldn’t be able to do any of the above. Appreciate your response. I was a massive supporter of the Al-Qadi's up to the initial UWE collapse (plus about another 6 months to see what their Plan B was. Still waiting). I would love to know what the "unorthodox, but completely astronomical" demands were from UWE in late 2018. If what you say is true, then this is the "Get out of jail free card" for Wael Al-Qadi. He did make some mumbled, vague references to UWE negotiations in his last interview (March 14th). If BRFC were shafted by UWE - then why doesn't Dwane Sports / Wael Al-Qadi come out and bloody say it? Just be honest. Please do not quote me NDA's - Wael already made some half-arsed references to it in the interview (referenced above), so he's already broken them. So Wael - just tell us what actually happened. Just be honest. Show the cynical b*stards like me some EVIDENCE that you were trying as hard as you can to make the UWE deal work. You might just get back a large percentage of the Supporters who are currently disenfranchised and looking at other ways to spend their time on a Saturday afternoon. Just how are season ticket sales going? Two words for Wael to contemplate. Honesty and Communication. As someone who has worked on multi million pound business deals previously in a different sphere, NDAs are massively important because deals have impacts on people and their lives and sometimes employment... it’s in the law on how things need to work and you put NDAs in place specifically to stop info getting out before you want it to (I.e. you control the release of information jointly after a deal is agreed and impacted people have been communicated with) or in the event a deal falls through or doesn’t happen, information doesn’t get released as that could have commercial or sensitivity impacts for a whole host of reasons. You never ‘slag’ off the other party publicly when things fall through as you never know when a) you may want to try to do business with them again, b) it ruins your professionalism in the commercial market and so may stop others or put others off, c) you never know where individuals may move on to and d) you don’t know what network or influence they have wider than just what you’re working on... so you remain tight lipped and professional as far as possible just in case.....
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 17, 2019 15:31:41 GMT
The whole UWE deal collapsed because they wouldn’t go to Jordan is an urban myth... that isn’t the reason it collapsed in the first place. Someone said that on here to suit their narrative and it’s now suddenly become fact! The reason it fell through is because in the eyes of the club (and let’s be frank it’s their opinion that matters as they own 92% of the club and are accountable for the day to day costs and expenses etc) it wasn’t an acceptable deal. Now why they thought that is entirely down to them and only the people directly involved will know why they thought that and everything else is hearsay and speculation..... Regarding the UWE not going to Jordan thing, I'm 99.999% sure I heard it directly from Wael and/or Hamer in interviews on the Radio in the aftermath of it. It wasn't just made up on here. <iframe width="18.840000000000032" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 18.840000000000032px; height: 6.759999999999991px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_69183270" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.840000000000032" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 18.84px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 887px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_24261594" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.840000000000032" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 18.84px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 275px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_26166125" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.840000000000032" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 18.84px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 887px; top: 275px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_78903660" scrolling="no"></iframe> It was 100% Steve Hamer who said that in a lengthy interview with 20man.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jun 17, 2019 15:37:07 GMT
The whole UWE deal collapsed because they wouldn’t go to Jordan is an urban myth... that isn’t the reason it collapsed in the first place. Someone said that on here to suit their narrative and it’s now suddenly become fact! The reason it fell through is because in the eyes of the club (and let’s be frank it’s their opinion that matters as they own 92% of the club and are accountable for the day to day costs and expenses etc) it wasn’t an acceptable deal. Now why they thought that is entirely down to them and only the people directly involved will know why they thought that and everything else is hearsay and speculation..... Regarding the UWE not going to Jordan thing, I'm 99.999% sure I heard it directly from Wael and/or Hamer in interviews on the Radio in the aftermath of it. It wasn't just made up on here. I can assure you made up BS wateres me off just as much as it does many others on here including yourself. That came from Hamer in an interview where he got very exasperated at having to explain the Al-Qadis out of a hole whilst seemingly not having a clue himself why it had fallen through. It was car crash radio but I must admit I felt a bit sorry for him at the time as he genuinely didn’t seem to know what to say - and seemed watered off with the Al Qadis himself I might add.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 17, 2019 15:52:36 GMT
Appreciate your response. I was a massive supporter of the Al-Qadi's up to the initial UWE collapse (plus about another 6 months to see what their Plan B was. Still waiting). I would love to know what the "unorthodox, but completely astronomical" demands were from UWE in late 2018. If what you say is true, then this is the "Get out of jail free card" for Wael Al-Qadi. He did make some mumbled, vague references to UWE negotiations in his last interview (March 14th). If BRFC were shafted by UWE - then why doesn't Dwane Sports / Wael Al-Qadi come out and bloody say it? Just be honest. Please do not quote me NDA's - Wael already made some half-arsed references to it in the interview (referenced above), so he's already broken them. So Wael - just tell us what actually happened. Just be honest. Show the cynical b*stards like me some EVIDENCE that you were trying as hard as you can to make the UWE deal work. You might just get back a large percentage of the Supporters who are currently disenfranchised and looking at other ways to spend their time on a Saturday afternoon. Just how are season ticket sales going? Two words for Wael to contemplate. Honesty and Communication. As someone who has worked on multi million pound business deals previously in a different sphere, NDAs are massively important because deals have impacts on people and their lives and sometimes employment... it’s in the law on how things need to work and you put NDAs in place specifically to stop info getting out before you want it to (I.e. you control the release of information jointly after a deal is agreed and impacted people have been communicated with) or in the event a deal falls through or doesn’t happen, information doesn’t get released as that could have commercial or sensitivity impacts for a whole host of reasons. You never ‘slag’ off the other party publicly when things fall through as you never know when a) you may want to try to do business with them again, b) it ruins your professionalism in the commercial market and so may stop others or put others off, c) you never know where individuals may move on to and d) you don’t know what network or influence they have wider than just what you’re working on... so you remain tight lipped and professional as far as possible just in case..... What an excellent post
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 17, 2019 15:56:27 GMT
The whole UWE deal collapsed because they wouldn’t go to Jordan is an urban myth... that isn’t the reason it collapsed in the first place. Someone said that on here to suit their narrative and it’s now suddenly become fact! The reason it fell through is because in the eyes of the club (and let’s be frank it’s their opinion that matters as they own 92% of the club and are accountable for the day to day costs and expenses etc) it wasn’t an acceptable deal. Now why they thought that is entirely down to them and only the people directly involved will know why they thought that and everything else is hearsay and speculation..... Regarding the UWE not going to Jordan thing, I'm 99.999% sure I heard it directly from Wael and/or Hamer in interviews on the Radio in the aftermath of it. It wasn't just made up on here. I can assure you made up BS wateres me off just as much as it does many others on here including yourself. Hamer said it on the Radio. For whatever that’s worth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 15:59:18 GMT
Appreciate your response. I was a massive supporter of the Al-Qadi's up to the initial UWE collapse (plus about another 6 months to see what their Plan B was. Still waiting). I would love to know what the "unorthodox, but completely astronomical" demands were from UWE in late 2018. If what you say is true, then this is the "Get out of jail free card" for Wael Al-Qadi. He did make some mumbled, vague references to UWE negotiations in his last interview (March 14th). If BRFC were shafted by UWE - then why doesn't Dwane Sports / Wael Al-Qadi come out and bloody say it? Just be honest. Please do not quote me NDA's - Wael already made some half-arsed references to it in the interview (referenced above), so he's already broken them. So Wael - just tell us what actually happened. Just be honest. Show the cynical b*stards like me some EVIDENCE that you were trying as hard as you can to make the UWE deal work. You might just get back a large percentage of the Supporters who are currently disenfranchised and looking at other ways to spend their time on a Saturday afternoon. Just how are season ticket sales going? Two words for Wael to contemplate. Honesty and Communication. As someone who has worked on multi million pound business deals previously in a different sphere, NDAs are massively important because deals have impacts on people and their lives and sometimes employment... it’s in the law on how things need to work and you put NDAs in place specifically to stop info getting out before you want it to (I.e. you control the release of information jointly after a deal is agreed and impacted people have been communicated with) or in the event a deal falls through or doesn’t happen, information doesn’t get released as that could have commercial or sensitivity impacts for a whole host of reasons. You never ‘slag’ off the other party publicly when things fall through as you never know when a) you may want to try to do business with them again, b) it ruins your professionalism in the commercial market and so may stop others or put others off, c) you never know where individuals may move on to and d) you don’t know what network or influence they have wider than just what you’re working on... so you remain tight lipped and professional as far as possible just in case..... An excellent post. However, not likely to appease those who think they are entitled to know everything about a football club they support.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 16:25:37 GMT
Regarding the UWE not going to Jordan thing, I'm 99.999% sure I heard it directly from Wael and/or Hamer in interviews on the Radio in the aftermath of it. It wasn't just made up on here. <iframe width="18.840000000000032" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 18.840000000000032px; height: 6.759999999999991px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_69183270" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.840000000000032" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 18.84px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 887px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_24261594" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.840000000000032" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 18.84px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 275px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_26166125" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.840000000000032" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 18.84px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 887px; top: 275px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_78903660" scrolling="no"></iframe> It was 100% Steve Hamer who said that in a lengthy interview with 20man. Whilst I think he can sometimes get a hard time on here for a variety of reasons and not wanting to stir that pot up again, it wouldn’t be the first time he said something after getting tongue tied and it not quite being right. I don’t know as I wasn’t involved and I’m not privy but there was probably a whole host of varying sized reasons the deal fell through and then UWE possibly said they weren’t prepared to fly to Jordan where the family were based to try and negotiate further (as it would have been at UWEs expense and they’d have to pay for their legal team and negotiators etc as during commercial negotiations each party are responsible for their own legal costs and expenses) and they were possibly playing hard ball (classic tactics which is to say you’ll walk away to try and get your own way as you believe the other party wants it so bad they’ll give in to your demands) ..... I don’t know - it’s pure speculation, but what I do know is that there would have been more to it than just they wouldn’t come to Jordan.... Reality is no one actually knows other than those who were involved and it takes 2 parties to agree and make a deal and 2 parties to not agree or to ‘break a deal’ so both BRFC and UWE are to blame. Question is whether you trust the owners or not .... some on here do, some don’t and all of us have our own personal reasons for sitting on either side of this fence. Me personally, I’m still in the camp of rightly or wrongly trusting the owners and that they are trying to do the right thing for the club and have the clubs best interests at heart. My reason for this is that personally I haven’t seen heard or felt that they’ve done anything for this not to be the case. That is not to say they are not devoid of criticism or that with hindsight there aren’t things they could or should have done differently. I appreciate others may have a different view or opinion though. However, we keep regurgitating the same stuff over and over again and whilst it’s good to debate, this is all now starting to become divisive to the extent things like the AGM become personal and unpleasant rather than focusing on what they are there for which is constructive challenge and questioning on the business and financial performance and the strategic intent in the short, medium and long term.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 16:25:42 GMT
As someone who has worked on multi million pound business deals previously in a different sphere, NDAs are massively important because deals have impacts on people and their lives and sometimes employment... it’s in the law on how things need to work and you put NDAs in place specifically to stop info getting out before you want it to (I.e. you control the release of information jointly after a deal is agreed and impacted people have been communicated with) or in the event a deal falls through or doesn’t happen, information doesn’t get released as that could have commercial or sensitivity impacts for a whole host of reasons. You never ‘slag’ off the other party publicly when things fall through as you never know when a) you may want to try to do business with them again, b) it ruins your professionalism in the commercial market and so may stop others or put others off, c) you never know where individuals may move on to and d) you don’t know what network or influence they have wider than just what you’re working on... so you remain tight lipped and professional as far as possible just in case..... An excellent post. However, not likely to appease those who think they are entitled to know everything about a football club they support. The football fan cannot be appeased. Book of John 3:16
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Post by aghast on Jun 17, 2019 17:00:07 GMT
The point about NDAs being used after a deal falls through is a valid one. You never know when you might want, or need, to do business with a failed partner in the future.
From Wael's point of view, he could have kept us happier by saying in August 2017 that UWE wanted an outrageous slice of the pie, and he wasn't going to sell out the club's future because of unreasonable demands.
But he didn't do that. He knew that at some point he might need to go back to UWE, and had he bad-mouthed them, they would have said thanks but no thanks.
And as it transpired, he did indeed need to go back to UWE last year.
Unfortunately, despite his noble silence in the past, the b*stards still told him thanks but no thanks.
So much for that then. Probably still wise though to keep schtum about negotiations.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 17, 2019 17:27:51 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 17, 2019 18:55:41 GMT
The points about NDAs are absolutely correct.
I signed one with a very well known A list celebrity (or rather a company he uses) to help him acquire a yacht. The original deal fell through after months of work, I earned very little for my time and it was all a bit disappointing. However I knew where and what he did purchase and where it was going to be sailed, where his preferred mooring was in the 4 countries he had exclusive access or owned. If that information was ever revealed the tabloid gossip press would have a field day with photos etc.
Because all that sensitive information was kept to myself, I ended up taking another enquiry from that person and we did end up doing business on another asset purchase, and that led to a wider net of clients because I was a trusted broker.
A lot of business is down to who you know, not what you know, being trustworthy and reliable.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 17, 2019 19:21:04 GMT
The points about NDAs are absolutely correct. I signed one with a very well known A list celebrity (or rather a company he uses) to help him acquire a yacht. The original deal fell through after months of work, I earned very little for my time and it was all a bit disappointing. However I knew where and what he did purchase and where it was going to be sailed, where his preferred mooring was in the 4 countries he had exclusive access or owned. If that information was ever revealed the tabloid gossip press would have a field day with photos etc. Because all that sensitive information was kept to myself, I ended up taking another enquiry from that person and we did end up doing business on another asset purchase, and that led to a wider net of clients because I was a trusted broker. A lot of business is down to who you know, not what you know, being trustworthy and reliable. Fair play to you. NDA's are very important and not to be taken lightly. Now spill the beans, was it Depp, Pitt or Cruise? 😉
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 17, 2019 19:27:08 GMT
The points about NDAs are absolutely correct. I signed one with a very well known A list celebrity (or rather a company he uses) to help him acquire a yacht. The original deal fell through after months of work, I earned very little for my time and it was all a bit disappointing. However I knew where and what he did purchase and where it was going to be sailed, where his preferred mooring was in the 4 countries he had exclusive access or owned. If that information was ever revealed the tabloid gossip press would have a field day with photos etc. Because all that sensitive information was kept to myself, I ended up taking another enquiry from that person and we did end up doing business on another asset purchase, and that led to a wider net of clients because I was a trusted broker. A lot of business is down to who you know, not what you know, being trustworthy and reliable. Fair play to you. NDA's are very important and not to be taken lightly. Now spill the beans, was it Depp, Pitt or Cruise? 😉 Uncle Albert I reckon...😀 “During the war....”
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