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Post by tomylil on Jun 21, 2019 12:40:56 GMT
Hull, Swansea , Brighton all getting gates of 6,000 before they got a new stadium . Were similar sized clubs to us. So you reckon we'd get 16,000 over the course of a season regardless of whether we remained mid table league 1 ? Hull's move to the new stadium coincided with back to back promotions. Swansea moved from the Vetch and saw a 50% increase (not double|) but that was after having won promotion . Brighton was packed every week at 7,000 in Falmer and were then involved in playoff seasons in the Champ 3 seasons out of 4. Historically much bigger club than us btw. If we had Eastville now and got promotion we'd get 16,000. For sure people would come out of curiosity for a bit but it has to be matched on the pitch. Not saying there wouldn't be a bounce in attendances but they would dwindle if we did jackshit matchday - look at Hull now and Reading,Wigan,
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Post by tomylil on Jun 21, 2019 12:55:37 GMT
Hull, Swansea , Brighton all getting gates of 6,000 before they got a new stadium . Were similar sized clubs to us. Add to that Huddersfield, Reading, Wigan, Doncaster and Rotherham all those clubs averages have increased and continued to be a lot bigger since they'ved moved into bigger and better stadiums. I think thats enough evidence to base it on. Need to check the stats mate. Huddersfield - i'll give you that Wigan 4,000 to 7,000 (fair enough) then back down to 6,700 and 5,800 rising to 11,500 - small matter of promotion to the Premier league. Donny season before Keepmoat 6,100 next season 7,700 2009 11,900 why ? first season back in 2nd tier. Last season 8,100. Rotherham played at an athletics stadium in Sheffield for years before NY was built.They have done pretty well since albeit up and down. All i'm saying is gates rarely double and if they do they are only sustained with success on the pitch.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 21, 2019 13:08:13 GMT
Add to that Huddersfield, Reading, Wigan, Doncaster and Rotherham all those clubs averages have increased and continued to be a lot bigger since they'ved moved into bigger and better stadiums. I think thats enough evidence to base it on. Need to check the stats mate. Huddersfield - i'll give you that Wigan 4,000 to 7,000 (fair enough) then back down to 6,700 and 5,800 rising to 11,500 - small matter of promotion to the Premier league. Donny season before Keepmoat 6,100 next season 7,700 2009 11,900 why ? first season back in 2nd tier. Last season 8,100. Rotherham played at an athletics stadium in Sheffield for years before NY was built.They have done pretty well since albeit up and down. All i'm saying is gates rarely double and if they do they are only sustained with success on the pitch. Surely we should be compared to the likes of Swansea, Reading & Brighton, not clubs from much smaller towns like Donny, Rotherham & Wigan. Donny's population is only 300k, just Bristol itself is nearly twice that size before you include S Glos, N Somerset & Bath. if we were successful crowds would increase the 82er's averaged over 20K last season, 10 years ago that average was only 16K.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 21, 2019 13:12:54 GMT
On the old Titan Ladders site which is being demolished as we speak Goodness me. I lived in Elborough Avenue, right next to the Titan Ladders factory, till I was about 20 years old. Believe it or not I once had a serious discussion with Mike Pearce (of Pearce's Coaches) about building a new stadium for Rovers on land his family owned at Claverham. Well as serious as you could get in the bar of the Railway Hotel surrounded by yokels in smocks drinking rough cider from china mugs. Happy Days !
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Post by wertongas on Jun 21, 2019 13:28:39 GMT
Hull, Swansea , Brighton all getting gates of 6,000 before they got a new stadium . Were similar sized clubs to us. So you reckon we'd get 16,000 over the course of a season regardless of whether we remained mid table league 1 ? Hull's move to the new stadium coincided with back to back promotions. Swansea moved from the Vetch and saw a 50% increase (not double|) but that was after having won promotion . Brighton was packed every week at 7,000 in Falmer and were then involved in playoff seasons in the Champ 3 seasons out of 4. Historically much bigger club than us btw. If we had Eastville now and got promotion we'd get 16,000. For sure people would come out of curiosity for a bit but it has to be matched on the pitch. Not saying there wouldn't be a bounce in attendances but they would dwindle if we did jackshit matchday - look at Hull now and Reading,Wigan, I am only going by what the CLUB think, you have to remember before the Eastville stand burnt down we used to compete with our attendances with the likes of Charlton , Hull, Millwall , Cardiff, Brighton , Reading the list goes on, since then attendances at most clubs have increased and the club has to factor in getting back into the second tier , what is the point of building a new stadium if it can't take us forward and sustain Championship football.
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Post by garystash on Jun 21, 2019 13:39:07 GMT
On the old Titan Ladders site which is being demolished as we speak Goodness me. I lived in Elborough Avenue, right next to the Titan Ladders factory, till I was about 20 years old. Believe it or not I once had a serious discussion with Mike Pearce (of Pearce's Coaches) about building a new stadium for Rovers on land his family owned at Claverham. Well as serious as you could get in the bar of the Railway Hotel surrounded by yokels in smocks drinking rough cider from china mugs. Happy Days ! Walk down Elborough every day to the shops I'd love to go back to those yokel days! The Railway has recently had a makeover, and the only ciders on tap are the fizzy commercial types. Sad times
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Post by yattongas on Jun 21, 2019 13:44:24 GMT
On the old Titan Ladders site which is being demolished as we speak Goodness me. I lived in Elborough Avenue, right next to the Titan Ladders factory, till I was about 20 years old. Believe it or not I once had a serious discussion with Mike Pearce (of Pearce's Coaches) about building a new stadium for Rovers on land his family owned at Claverham. Well as serious as you could get in the bar of the Railway Hotel surrounded by yokels in smocks drinking rough cider from china mugs. Happy Days ! Always wondered why there was a blue plaque on a house down there saying ‘Swiss was here’
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Post by swissgas on Jun 21, 2019 14:11:38 GMT
Goodness me. I lived in Elborough Avenue, right next to the Titan Ladders factory, till I was about 20 years old. Believe it or not I once had a serious discussion with Mike Pearce (of Pearce's Coaches) about building a new stadium for Rovers on land his family owned at Claverham. Well as serious as you could get in the bar of the Railway Hotel surrounded by yokels in smocks drinking rough cider from china mugs. Happy Days ! Always wondered why there was a blue plaque on a house down there saying ‘Swiss was here’ I think the bailiffs put that up YG
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Post by pirate on Jun 21, 2019 14:26:50 GMT
Add to that Huddersfield, Reading, Wigan, Doncaster and Rotherham all those clubs averages have increased and continued to be a lot bigger since they'ved moved into bigger and better stadiums. I think thats enough evidence to base it on. Need to check the stats mate. Huddersfield - i'll give you that Wigan 4,000 to 7,000 (fair enough) then back down to 6,700 and 5,800 rising to 11,500 - small matter of promotion to the Premier league. Donny season before Keepmoat 6,100 next season 7,700 2009 11,900 why ? first season back in 2nd tier. Last season 8,100. Rotherham played at an athletics stadium in Sheffield for years before NY was built.They have done pretty well since albeit up and down. All i'm saying is gates rarely double and if they do they are only sustained with success on the pitch. Swansea last season at the Vetch 8,458, first season at the Liberty Stadium 14,112. Hull last season at Boothferry Park 6,684 and first full season at new stadium 12,843.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 21, 2019 14:35:02 GMT
Goodness me. I lived in Elborough Avenue, right next to the Titan Ladders factory, till I was about 20 years old. Believe it or not I once had a serious discussion with Mike Pearce (of Pearce's Coaches) about building a new stadium for Rovers on land his family owned at Claverham. Well as serious as you could get in the bar of the Railway Hotel surrounded by yokels in smocks drinking rough cider from china mugs. Happy Days ! Walk down Elborough every day to the shops I'd love to go back to those yokel days! The Railway has recently had a makeover, and the only ciders on tap are the fizzy commercial types. Sad times If you walk down that street every day I'm sure you will understand the reasoning behind my posting on the forums. Everything achieved in life has to be earned. Please say hello to Clive at the shop and tell him Neil will always appreciate the friendship he extended to Mum & Dad. (Sorry to get a bit soppy ..... I'll launch a savage unprovoked attack on the Board tomorrow ! )
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 14:51:11 GMT
Why the need to wait,Neil,?just go for it
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Post by tomylil on Jun 21, 2019 15:01:16 GMT
Need to check the stats mate. Huddersfield - i'll give you that Wigan 4,000 to 7,000 (fair enough) then back down to 6,700 and 5,800 rising to 11,500 - small matter of promotion to the Premier league. Donny season before Keepmoat 6,100 next season 7,700 2009 11,900 why ? first season back in 2nd tier. Last season 8,100. Rotherham played at an athletics stadium in Sheffield for years before NY was built.They have done pretty well since albeit up and down. All i'm saying is gates rarely double and if they do they are only sustained with success on the pitch. Surely we should be compared to the likes of Swansea, Reading & Brighton, not clubs from much smaller towns like Donny, Rotherham & Wigan. Donny's population is only 300k, just Bristol itself is nearly twice that size before you include S Glos, N Somerset & Bath. if we were successful crowds would increase the 82er's averaged over 20K last season, 10 years ago that average was only 16K. Agree with you about the sh**e but their crowds haven't doubled - that's all i'm saying.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 21, 2019 15:09:45 GMT
Surely we should be compared to the likes of Swansea, Reading & Brighton, not clubs from much smaller towns like Donny, Rotherham & Wigan. Donny's population is only 300k, just Bristol itself is nearly twice that size before you include S Glos, N Somerset & Bath. if we were successful crowds would increase the 82er's averaged over 20K last season, 10 years ago that average was only 16K. Agree with you about the sh**e but their crowds haven't doubled - that's all i'm saying. They haven't really gone from a clapped stadium to a decent new build though, AG was already a decent ground (apart from the fans inside!) before they even started work. Although I'm not sure either the previous or present owners have ever suggested we don't need a 18K+ capacity stadium in any event. We coudl survive with a 15K if we could extend in the future but increasing it by just 3K/5K capacity would probably cost £m's anyway
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Post by tomylil on Jun 21, 2019 15:13:56 GMT
Need to check the stats mate. Huddersfield - i'll give you that Wigan 4,000 to 7,000 (fair enough) then back down to 6,700 and 5,800 rising to 11,500 - small matter of promotion to the Premier league. Donny season before Keepmoat 6,100 next season 7,700 2009 11,900 why ? first season back in 2nd tier. Last season 8,100. Rotherham played at an athletics stadium in Sheffield for years before NY was built.They have done pretty well since albeit up and down. All i'm saying is gates rarely double and if they do they are only sustained with success on the pitch. Swansea last season at the Vetch 8,458, first season at the Liberty Stadium 14,112. Hull last season at Boothferry Park 6,684 and first full season at new stadium 12,843. Swansea - agreed. They got promoted during their last season at the Vetch so gates would certainly increase the next season. Hull - half season bounce followed up by promotion two years on the trot. They averaged less last season than they did as a L1 team on the up. Combine a new stadium with progress on the pitch and the crowds will come long term. Just build a new stadium without a team worthy of it and they will soon disappear. To simply say "build a new stadium and crowds will double" is with all due respect to the poster, nonsense.
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Post by tomylil on Jun 21, 2019 15:18:55 GMT
Agree with you about the sh**e but their crowds haven't doubled - that's all i'm saying. They haven't really gone from a clapped stadium to a decent new build though, AG was already a decent ground (apart from the fans inside!) before they even started work. Although I'm not sure either the previous or present owners have ever suggested we don't need a 18K+ capacity stadium in any event. We coudl survive with a 15K if we could extend in the future but increasing it by just 3K/5K capacity would probably cost £m's anyway We would love to have the old Ashton Gate transplanted into BS7 but they knocked down three sides so not a new stadium exactly but looks like one. They are averaging 20k because they got the "new" ground had that cup run and have been sniffing around the playoffs last 2 seasons before bottling it. They end up in a relegation scrap this season and then again the next and they will be down to 15,000 without doubt so lots of nice shiny red seats on show.
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Post by tomylil on Jun 21, 2019 15:24:59 GMT
So you reckon we'd get 16,000 over the course of a season regardless of whether we remained mid table league 1 ? Hull's move to the new stadium coincided with back to back promotions. Swansea moved from the Vetch and saw a 50% increase (not double|) but that was after having won promotion . Brighton was packed every week at 7,000 in Falmer and were then involved in playoff seasons in the Champ 3 seasons out of 4. Historically much bigger club than us btw. If we had Eastville now and got promotion we'd get 16,000. For sure people would come out of curiosity for a bit but it has to be matched on the pitch. Not saying there wouldn't be a bounce in attendances but they would dwindle if we did jackshit matchday - look at Hull now and Reading,Wigan, I am only going by what the CLUB think, you have to remember before the Eastville stand burnt down we used to compete with our attendances with the likes of Charlton , Hull, Millwall , Cardiff, Brighton , Reading the list goes on, since then attendances at most clubs have increased and the club has to factor in getting back into the second tier , what is the point of building a new stadium if it can't take us forward and sustain Championship football. I don't disagree with you but the club needs to strike a balance between improved facilities and an improved playing squad. Darlington had a great stadium and ended up pretty much extinct. If we got REAL news of a stadium, the side got in the playoffs this season, crowds increased the next and we then went up and held our own in the Champ whilst a new stadium was coming out of the ground then no reason why we couldn't get 15- 16,000 as a middling championship side.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jun 21, 2019 17:08:46 GMT
Radio Stoke has a daily update on Vale,Crewe and Stoke.To-day the Crewe manager said his club's excellent training facilities (and they are top notch with all weather pitches,etc)_ are a big factor in attracting players. So far though they've only signed one from Northampton so not sure it counts as much as wages.
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Post by piratesquarters on Jun 21, 2019 17:10:37 GMT
I like a 'old stadium' Top Trumps.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 17:13:32 GMT
I like a 'old stadium' Top Trumps. Too easy if you got the Mem in your hand as the bogs trump all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 17:14:39 GMT
Jesus walked on water, so fkn what. Thousands of gas heads walk on p1ss every half time.
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