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Post by aghast on Jul 18, 2019 21:34:24 GMT
That's really, really funny. Well, look at you, man. I blame Les for this. His acolytes are starting to work themselves up into a frenzy.
Acolytes? So people on here who consider that leaving the EU is the wrong thing for the UK, and Trump is a dangerous loose cannon, are just slavishly following Oldie's lead, and those who aren't are independent free spirits who can think for themselves? Glad you cleared that one up. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 18, 2019 21:42:55 GMT
Whilst I completely deplore Trump both as an individual and politician what he has managed to do is identify Democrats as a whole with these 4 women when in many respects they are minor player's in the Democratic Party. This plays directly in to his ambition for a further term and I am afraid to say it appeals to the base instincts of many Americans ie : if you don't love America your against us and should leave. The challenge for the Democrats is not to rail and focus on this one issue but to have a clearning strategy to factually rebut Trump's record and everything he stands for. But Clive Trump is just symptomatic, like Brexit here. The real issue is that the living standards of a huge number of Americans has been static, at best, for an awfully long time, whilst a highly visible but absolute minority have become ever increasingly wealthy and own huge sections of wealth creating assets. This has left many Americans disgruntled, fearful for their futures whilst seeing little prospect for their futures. Trump plays on this with flag waving nationalism and voodoo economics. Now turn around and look at the UK. Same thing. I understand that and in truth it's becoming increasingly difficult to see a way forward. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 18, 2019 22:47:59 GMT
That context makes it worse! They are trying to fix their own country! You're missing the point though Hugo, as are most people. He is winning more and more support with the US public, and that is what it is all about. The spotlight is now on these four women, and we can see that in the past they have supported some pretty horrible things. Racism and anti-semitic views are being exposed, even tacit support for Al Quaeda from one. Trump is laughing his socks off. Support is up with his Republican base but he is losing independents. His approval rating is no better than most Presidents at this point. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 18, 2019 22:53:25 GMT
He may be getting more supports, what happened to right and wrong Nobby?
Even if Trump has a point, do you not think he could actually articulate it properly.
Trump is simply rabble rosuing the racists and facilitating the spread of hate. In some respects he is no better than the Muslim Extremists
When he publicly supports actions like blowing up children leaving a pop concert then I'll agree with your last sentence. The comment was "in some respects", not sure going to the extreme is comparable. I read PP's comment as referring to the type of language rather than acts. Just look at tonight's footage of Trump at the rally where the crowd was chanting "send her home". Do you agree that is wrong and concerning? |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 19, 2019 7:07:04 GMT
In 2016, the Democrats ran just about the only person in the US, who could have lost to Trump.
The candidates this time are not so polarising, but hardly inspiring. Unless he brings himself down, I can see four more years of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 7:48:21 GMT
In 2016, the Democrats ran just about the only person in the US, who could have lost to Trump. The candidates this time are not so polarising, but hardly inspiring. Unless he brings himself down, I can see four more years of this. A lot of truth in that. Sadly the alternative to Clinton was America's version of Corbyn. That was never going to fly. If the voting public of the USA had any balls they would strongly consider Kamala Harris. Or Elizabeth Warren. Excellent representatives of "Progressive" politics and policies. Sadly they wont because A) They are women B) One is Afro American C) One is a West Coast "Liberal" Would love to be proved wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 7:50:03 GMT
But Clive Trump is just symptomatic, like Brexit here. The real issue is that the living standards of a huge number of Americans has been static, at best, for an awfully long time, whilst a highly visible but absolute minority have become ever increasingly wealthy and own huge sections of wealth creating assets. This has left many Americans disgruntled, fearful for their futures whilst seeing little prospect for their futures. Trump plays on this with flag waving nationalism and voodoo economics. Now turn around and look at the UK. Same thing. I understand that and in truth it's becoming increasingly difficult to see a way forward. Progressive policies that addresses the real issues facing society. Not pandering to the semi literate nationalists. It's actually quite straightforward, just like 1997. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 8:52:59 GMT
When he publicly supports actions like blowing up children leaving a pop concert then I'll agree with your last sentence. The comment was "in some respects", not sure going to the extreme is comparable. I read PP's comment as referring to the type of language rather than acts. Just look at tonight's footage of Trump at the rally where the crowd was chanting "send her home". Do you agree that is wrong and concerning? I'm not a fan of Trump and I don't particularly care much about what the Americans do. I'm far more interested in what happens here. I do however respect the American citizens choosing a President of their choice. It annoys me that middle class liberals over here always think they know best and wish to portray him as some sort of Hollywood film super villain, the childish protests on his recent visit were just embarassing. Why do other, far more dangerous, world leaders not get half the attention here that he does? Sure he spouts out some rubbish without thinking it through but for years I've been hearing people moaning about politicians never giving straight answers, not saying what they really think etc. Perhaps the lesson is to only be honest and open if you give out a view that is palatable to the left? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 19, 2019 9:35:08 GMT
The comment was "in some respects", not sure going to the extreme is comparable. I read PP's comment as referring to the type of language rather than acts. Just look at tonight's footage of Trump at the rally where the crowd was chanting "send her home". Do you agree that is wrong and concerning? I'm not a fan of Trump and I don't particularly care much about what the Americans do. I'm far more interested in what happens here. I do however respect the American citizens choosing a President of their choice. It annoys me that middle class liberals over here always think they know best and wish to portray him as some sort of Hollywood film super villain, the childish protests on his recent visit were just embarassing. Why do other, far more dangerous, world leaders not get half the attention here that he does? Sure he spouts out some rubbish without thinking it through but for years I've been hearing people moaning about politicians never giving straight answers, not saying what they really think etc. Perhaps the lesson is to only be honest and open if you give out a view that is palatable to the left? I'm neither middle class or of the left but I still recognise someone trying to be devisive in order to shore up support and undermine the opposition. Contrast Trump with how John McCain responded when he was campaigning against Obama. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 9:45:06 GMT
I'm not a fan of Trump and I don't particularly care much about what the Americans do. I'm far more interested in what happens here. I do however respect the American citizens choosing a President of their choice. It annoys me that middle class liberals over here always think they know best and wish to portray him as some sort of Hollywood film super villain, the childish protests on his recent visit were just embarassing. Why do other, far more dangerous, world leaders not get half the attention here that he does? Sure he spouts out some rubbish without thinking it through but for years I've been hearing people moaning about politicians never giving straight answers, not saying what they really think etc. Perhaps the lesson is to only be honest and open if you give out a view that is palatable to the left? I'm neither middle class or of the left but I still recognise someone trying to be devisive in order to shore up support and undermine the opposition. Contrast Trump with how John McCain responded when he was campaigning against Obama. Precisely. |
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Post by peterparker on Jul 19, 2019 9:59:50 GMT
The comment was "in some respects", not sure going to the extreme is comparable. I read PP's comment as referring to the type of language rather than acts. Just look at tonight's footage of Trump at the rally where the crowd was chanting "send her home". Do you agree that is wrong and concerning? I'm not a fan of Trump and I don't particularly care much about what the Americans do. I'm far more interested in what happens here. I do however respect the American citizens choosing a President of their choice. It annoys me that middle class liberals over here always think they know best and wish to portray him as some sort of Hollywood film super villain, the childish protests on his recent visit were just embarassing. Why do other, far more dangerous, world leaders not get half the attention here that he does? Sure he spouts out some rubbish without thinking it through but for years I've been hearing people moaning about politicians never giving straight answers, not saying what they really think etc. Perhaps the lesson is to only be honest and open if you give out a view that is palatable to the left? There probably are more dangerous, however the office of the president of the USA has generally been portrayed as the leader ofvthe free world. Thats what makes it worse when Trump is whipping up racial hate |
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