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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 19, 2019 10:02:34 GMT
Well that’s one relegation spot gone. We can start celebrating staying in league for another year st this rate ! Shuv it! A I pointed out in another thread, Bury and Bolton start next season with a -12 penalty, and Tranmere have just signed Stefan Payne. This leaves just one relegation spot up for grabs, and there are definitely going to be a number of teams weaker than us vying for that final spot. What makes you think that we're guaranteed to finish 12 pts above Bolton? The new owners will start with no debts and so I assume will be able to give their manager a decent playing budget. I wouldn't be surprised if they finished mid table.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 19, 2019 10:22:37 GMT
A I pointed out in another thread, Bury and Bolton start next season with a -12 penalty, and Tranmere have just signed Stefan Payne. This leaves just one relegation spot up for grabs, and there are definitely going to be a number of teams weaker than us vying for that final spot. What makes you think that we're guaranteed to finish 12 pts above Bolton? The new owners will start with no debts and so I assume will be able to give their manager a decent playing budget. I wouldn't be surprised if they finished mid table. according to sky sports, the Bolton Players have not been paid for 20 weeks....
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 19, 2019 10:34:33 GMT
What makes you think that we're guaranteed to finish 12 pts above Bolton? The new owners will start with no debts and so I assume will be able to give their manager a decent playing budget. I wouldn't be surprised if they finished mid table. according to sky sports, the Bolton Players have not been paid for 20 weeks.... Morally, they should be paid before anything else but not sure how it works and football clubs aren’t exactly moral in the way they act. I suppose the new owners could come in and just let them go and start with a completely new squad. Hard to do that in mid July with the start only a few weeks away but I guess in the end it will be a financial/ business decision. If they start again then they will put together, or try to, a squad to preserve League 1 football this season and then go for it the next. At least I think that’s what I would do in their position. UTG!
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Post by blueridge on Jul 19, 2019 10:42:29 GMT
according to sky sports, the Bolton Players have not been paid for 20 weeks.... Morally, they should be paid before anything else but not sure how it works and football clubs aren’t exactly moral in the way they act. I suppose the new owners could come in and just let them go and start with a completely new squad. Hard to do that in mid July with the start only a few weeks away but I guess in the end it will be a financial/ business decision. If they start again then they will put together, or try to, a squad to preserve League 1 football this season and then go for it the next. At least I think that’s what I would do in their position. UTG! Will clubs want to supply them with tickets for their away support - with a risk of not being paid I wonder?
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 19, 2019 10:59:44 GMT
Morally, they should be paid before anything else but not sure how it works and football clubs aren’t exactly moral in the way they act. I suppose the new owners could come in and just let them go and start with a completely new squad. Hard to do that in mid July with the start only a few weeks away but I guess in the end it will be a financial/ business decision. If they start again then they will put together, or try to, a squad to preserve League 1 football this season and then go for it the next. At least I think that’s what I would do in their position. UTG! Will clubs want to supply them with tickets for their away support - with a risk of not being paid I wonder? Not sure how it works but they could ask for money up front. But I guess they will be treated exactly the same as any other club. The new owners, club or whatever will not want to start not paying, doing the right thing at the beginning. They would not want to jar off other clubs so I would expect them to be whiter than white at the beginning and try to build their reputation again. UTG!
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Post by tommym9 on Jul 19, 2019 11:03:36 GMT
Isn't Little still owed wages by Bolton?
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jul 19, 2019 11:08:59 GMT
Sad to see another set of fans suffering from poor ownership.
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Post by Fetch on Jul 19, 2019 11:12:16 GMT
Sad to see another set of fans suffering from poor ownership. Let's not forget Mansfield fans, who were effectively cheated out of a promotion last season.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 19, 2019 14:34:07 GMT
Isn't Little still owed wages by Bolton? One of many I would have thought! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 19, 2019 14:38:04 GMT
Sad to see another set of fans suffering from poor ownership. Let's not forget Mansfield fans, who were effectively cheated out of a promotion last season. Oh I can easily forget Mansfield fans after the last time we went there! Other groups of fans I feel sympathy for but not them tbh. 😉 UTG!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jul 19, 2019 15:46:35 GMT
Never celebrate another clubs demise, karma is a funny thing, also shows a total lack of class Very true, apparently we are already spending 90 + pence of ever £1 earned and losing too much money ever week, smacks of 1986. If Waqs family ever called in the debt, BRFC would be another Bury, Bolton, et el
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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 19, 2019 16:49:54 GMT
Sad to see another set of fans suffering from poor ownership. Being devil's advocate a bit, not sure the bury fans have suffered that much unless something now happens that is very bad / worse... They've been promoted in exciting, if highly unusual circumstances, utilising players and a manager they probably couldn't really afford. So they've benefitted. The CVA will wipe out a lot of the debt. If they have a tough season then the worst they can do* is get relegated to the league they were in last season. * - caveat - unless something worse happens if course
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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 19, 2019 16:54:35 GMT
Never celebrate another clubs demise, karma is a funny thing, also shows a total lack of class Very true, apparently we are already spending 90 + pence of ever £1 earned and losing too much money ever week, smacks of 1986. If Waqs family ever called in the debt, BRFC would be another Bury, Bolton, et el Technically the majority of football clubs are like that. Even Lansdown, a billionaire, hasn't written the debt off and technically could call upon it. The BIG issue is not that. The big issue is small clubs who do not have REAL money available and who get into debt they'll probably never be able to get out of, especially that owed to creditors they can string along for quite some time (e.g. HMRC, phased transfer payments, some suppliers).
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Post by burnthewitch on Jul 20, 2019 8:40:24 GMT
Very true, apparently we are already spending 90 + pence of ever £1 earned and losing too much money ever week, smacks of 1986. If Waqs family ever called in the debt, BRFC would be another Bury, Bolton, et el Technically the majority of football clubs are like that. Even Lansdown, a billionaire, hasn't written the debt off and technically could call upon it. The BIG issue is not that. The big issue is small clubs who do not have REAL money available and who get into debt they'll probably never be able to get out of, especially that owed to creditors they can string along for quite some time (e.g. HMRC, phased transfer payments, some suppliers). The sh*t are in a totally different situation. Pantsdown has ploughed tens of millions into traschcan gate, the actual value of the land (with or without the stadium) is tiny in comparison. There would be no point in calling in the debt as he would only get back a tiny percentage of his outlay by selling the sh*tpit. Pantsdown genuinely seems to be in it for the long run in a vainglorious attempt to build premiersh*t football and a chance to recoup his money. Dwane Sports can sell the Mem and get back their entire outlay. It doesn't matter how much Wael mumbles on about 'being in it for the long run'. I simply do not believe him. Wael might want to fund his hobby for a while - I can't see Al-Qadi Senior, Hani and Sami lobbing money at us.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 20, 2019 8:56:49 GMT
Technically the majority of football clubs are like that. Even Lansdown, a billionaire, hasn't written the debt off and technically could call upon it. The BIG issue is not that. The big issue is small clubs who do not have REAL money available and who get into debt they'll probably never be able to get out of, especially that owed to creditors they can string along for quite some time (e.g. HMRC, phased transfer payments, some suppliers). The sh*t are in a totally different situation. Pantsdown has ploughed tens of millions into traschcan gate, the actual value of the land (with or without the stadium) is tiny in comparison. There would be no point in calling in the debt as he would only get back a tiny percentage of his outlay by selling the sh*tpit. Pantsdown genuinely seems to be in it for the long run in a vainglorious attempt to build premiersh*t football and a chance to recoup his money. Dwane Sports can sell the Mem and get back their entire outlay. It doesn't matter how much Wael mumbles on about 'being in it for the long run'. I simply do not believe him. Wael might want to fund his hobby for a while - I can't see Al-Qadi Senior, Hani and Sami lobbing money at us.Then they need to use their considerable skill and make us a very profitable business - Simples
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Post by burnthewitch on Jul 21, 2019 8:44:32 GMT
The sh*t are in a totally different situation. Pantsdown has ploughed tens of millions into traschcan gate, the actual value of the land (with or without the stadium) is tiny in comparison. There would be no point in calling in the debt as he would only get back a tiny percentage of his outlay by selling the sh*tpit. Pantsdown genuinely seems to be in it for the long run in a vainglorious attempt to build premiersh*t football and a chance to recoup his money. Dwane Sports can sell the Mem and get back their entire outlay. It doesn't matter how much Wael mumbles on about 'being in it for the long run'. I simply do not believe him. Wael might want to fund his hobby for a while - I can't see Al-Qadi Senior, Hani and Sami lobbing money at us.Then they need to use their considerable skill and make us a very profitable business - Simples Fair point. However Wael seems to be the only one of the share-holders actively involved in running the Club. Quick re-cap - £3mil a year losses on gates of around 8,500. The penny has got to drop soon with his acolytes. He hasn't got a clue how to run a Football Club. "We're losing money, but so are loads of other Football Clubs". Is not a valid response. Wael needs help. Or a buyer for his toy.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jul 21, 2019 9:04:03 GMT
Then they need to use their considerable skill and make us a very profitable business - Simples Fair point. However Wael seems to be the only one of the share-holders actively involved in running the Club. Quick re-cap - £3mil a year losses on gates of around 8,500. The penny has got to drop soon with his acolytes. He hasn't got a clue how to run a Football Club. "We're losing money, but so are loads of other Football Clubs". Is not a valid response. Wael needs help. Or a buyer for his toy. I just wish Waq would start speaking to the supporters, he thinks it is acceptable to talk **** “ evolution not revolution “ b*******, there is no football club without supporters. IMO the club is in free fall, novice manager, poor squad of players, l would be pleasantly surprised if we get many home gates above 8k this coming season. The supporters who follow the team home and away are the future and deserve better, if Waq will not man up and show more respect to the fan base, then l hope he does the honourable thing and sell the club / debt to a group who are truly interested in the future prosperity of BRFC.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 21, 2019 10:21:54 GMT
Pretty sure Wael tried to talk to fans at the AGM but all he seems to have got his abuse? What are you expecting him to say which you'll believe anyway?
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Post by darkbluegas on Jul 21, 2019 11:12:10 GMT
Fair point. However Wael seems to be the only one of the share-holders actively involved in running the Club. Quick re-cap - £3mil a year losses on gates of around 8,500. The penny has got to drop soon with his acolytes. He hasn't got a clue how to run a Football Club. "We're losing money, but so are loads of other Football Clubs". Is not a valid response. Wael needs help. Or a buyer for his toy. I just wish Waq would start speaking to the supporters, he thinks it is acceptable to talk **** “ evolution not revolution “ b*******, there is no football club without supporters. IMO the club is in free fall, novice manager, poor squad of players, l would be pleasantly surprised if we get many home gates above 8k this coming season. The supporters who follow the team home and away are the future and deserve better, if Waq will not man up and show more respect to the fan base, then l hope he does the honourable thing and sell the club / debt to a group who are truly interested in the future prosperity of BRFC. My god more of this "we deserve better" nonsense. I've followed Rovers home and away for 45 years and don't think I've ever felt I've deserved better. I get out what I put in. Do my best to buy food and drink at the club and support them where I can. At times that's been with 10,000 others at other times it's been with 3,000 others. I imagine Wael will finally go when he gets fed up of people moaning about the price of sausage rolls and not turning up to games as part of some half arsed lazy protest. Good luck to the bloke... I don't see many other people putting their hand in their pocket to take the club over.
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Post by mjhgas on Jul 21, 2019 11:15:33 GMT
The football club should be run without losing money - fans should then be prepared for National League football.
Until all clubs sign up to this then it won't happen.
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