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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 16, 2020 17:58:21 GMT
Evolution not revolution guys, these things take time. Well in a few weeks it will be 6 months since the Wael last spoke. If I recall he said something like the FM is the preferred stadium site, some planning liaison was underway, be there in 2 years? A couple of other sites also identified within Bristol not S Glos, oh and temporary training facilities identified nearby, but he couldn’t say anymore than that. In Martin Starnes interview in Dec, when GC left, he said that, to his knowledge the AlQadis, were not looking to sell the club & also regards the training ground & FM site, he said there was no news, although he hadn’t been involved in either until now (assume he meant that was Hamers remit) I think that tells us what to expect from Wael when he next raises his head above the parapet. To top it all, Football on offer, is akin to that in the dark days of L2, albeit there is a nice screen showing moments of past glories, although I can watch enough of that on you tube. It seems there are 101 reasons why the owners can’t do things, fans stating we will end up like Coventry etc etc. So what’s best for the club then? “Here lies Bristol Rovers, died on its feet, due to not taking any opportunities, in case it wasn’t best for the club” Best post I've seen on here for quite a time. How anyone truly believes that our club will progress under the current regime staggers me. I seem to recall the fantasy prediction that we would get millions for JCH , Kilgore etc and our money troubles would disappear. It seems more realistic to say we are up sh*t creek without a paddle, we have no one left on the board reassuring us that all is well. In fact the silence truly is deafening. Why was SH dismissed? Why has Ken been banned from the west stand boxes? Why is there no statement from the owners allaying our worries? The only one who offers an opinion, stated as fact, is Waels spokesman on here. And to think that Waels spokesman has the balls to slag off how the supporters club is run. You couldnt make it up. Do you think that you and ilk may have played a part in what happened to KM?
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 16, 2020 18:01:16 GMT
We do know what was in the plans, as they were there to see. That's all I commented on. What I knew myself. Not guesswork, like a lot of others. We don't know if the fruit market stadium will be better. You commented that with the UWE deal we’d have given away income streams that would have made it unviable. Absolute conjecture on your part unless you want to provide the proof. If you can’t provide such proof the notion that it didn’t proceed because the ALQs had neither the wherewithal or desire to make it happen is the default. It was in the plans and said during early interviews. Uwe had naming rights, they said they had use of the car park giving them more parking. It had lecture halls etc. Other stuff could have went in place of that. Don't know who was getting the revenue from the uni bar and other stuff. But it's a fair bet, we were not getting all of the money.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 18:01:56 GMT
So you wanted all that included?? It would have good for the club how?? If it's good for the football club, it's good for Wael! He could have sold us easier, if it was good for the club. Makes no sense. You really do struggle with this thing about something being good for owners of a football club and something being good for the long term health of the football club as totally different things don’t you? You’re not on your own either judging by the poll put up today about Wanqi Wael’s ownership. Here is a well known and documented example for you to chew on. Brighton had an owner by the name of Bill Archer who bought the club for a lot less than their ground less the debts were worth. He considered it an “unbelievably good deal” and sometime later after spinning yarns to the fans for a bit went on to sell the ground to a property developer. The football club were homeless and went to play in Gillingham. He pocketed an excellent profit for himself so all of his actions produced a fantastic deal for him but an atrocious deal for the football club he owned who almost went out of existence. He wouldn’t have worried if they had of course, once he’d got his money out. Hope this helps. Archer actually sold the ground to his own company and then in turn sold it on for massive profit ensuring that he and not the football club received the true value of the site. I met a guy once who led a campaign against Archer who then owned Focus DIY and regularly sent undertakers to his home to collect his dead wife who was actually alive but extremely distressed.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 16, 2020 18:05:23 GMT
Evolution not revolution guys, these things take time. Well in a few weeks it will be 6 months since the Wael last spoke. If I recall he said something like the FM is the preferred stadium site, some planning liaison was underway, be there in 2 years? A couple of other sites also identified within Bristol not S Glos, oh and temporary training facilities identified nearby, but he couldn’t say anymore than that. In Martin Starnes interview in Dec, when GC left, he said that, to his knowledge the AlQadis, were not looking to sell the club & also regards the training ground & FM site, he said there was no news, although he hadn’t been involved in either until now (assume he meant that was Hamers remit) I think that tells us what to expect from Wael when he next raises his head above the parapet. To top it all, Football on offer, is akin to that in the dark days of L2, albeit there is a nice screen showing moments of past glories, although I can watch enough of that on you tube. It seems there are 101 reasons why the owners can’t do things, fans stating we will end up like Coventry etc etc. So what’s best for the club then? “Here lies Bristol Rovers, died on its feet, due to not taking any opportunities, in case it wasn’t best for the club” Best post I've seen on here for quite a time. How anyone truly believes that our club will progress under the current regime staggers me. I seem to recall the fantasy prediction that we would get millions for JCH , Kilgore etc and our money troubles would disappear. It seems more realistic to say we are up sh*t creek without a paddle, we have no one left on the board reassuring us that all is well. In fact the silence truly is deafening. Why was SH dismissed? Why has Ken been banned from the west stand boxes? Why is there no statement from the owners allaying our worries? The only one who offers an opinion, stated as fact, is Waels spokesman on here. And to think that Waels spokesman has the balls to slag off how the supporters club is run. You couldnt make it up. Who said that?? It was fans moaning about the board. Saying that had agreed to sell them already. Don't think anyone put a positive spin on it?? Stop making out you know, when you don't. Know your spies are gone, you don't know what they are working on. Could be good, could be bad. You don't know either way.
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Post by womble on Jan 16, 2020 18:06:24 GMT
It’s really rather irrelevant what the potential terms were for the second potential UWE deal, as UWE decided not to proceed and keep the land for an alternative use. Wael publicly said that he thought they had a deal agreed the second time, but UWE pulled out. UWE confirmed that they wished to use the land for something else.
Game over, we need to move on from UWE.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 18:10:13 GMT
It’s really rather irrelevant what the potential terms were for the second potential UWE deal, as UWE decided not to proceed and keep the land for an alternative use. Wael publicly said that he thought they had a deal agreed the second time, but UWE pulled out. UWE confirmed that they wished to use the land for something else. Game over, we need to move on from UWE. I thought Wael etc were only involved in the Higgs scheme and that was the deal that collapsed, Dwane Sports being the ones who pulled the plug? Wasn't it potential new/previous owners who tried to resurrect the deal to launch a takeover?
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 16, 2020 18:16:15 GMT
It’s really rather irrelevant what the potential terms were for the second potential UWE deal, as UWE decided not to proceed and keep the land for an alternative use. Wael publicly said that he thought they had a deal agreed the second time, but UWE pulled out. UWE confirmed that they wished to use the land for something else. Game over, we need to move on from UWE. I thought Wael etc were only involved in the Higgs scheme and that was the deal that collapsed, Dwane Sports being the ones who pulled the plug? Wasn't it potential new/previous owners who tried to resurrect the deal to launch a takeover? According to those in the know lol. Funny how they only want proof of stuff, when it suits them.
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 16, 2020 18:20:25 GMT
Best post I've seen on here for quite a time. How anyone truly believes that our club will progress under the current regime staggers me. I seem to recall the fantasy prediction that we would get millions for JCH , Kilgore etc and our money troubles would disappear. It seems more realistic to say we are up sh*t creek without a paddle, we have no one left on the board reassuring us that all is well. In fact the silence truly is deafening. Why was SH dismissed? Why has Ken been banned from the west stand boxes? Why is there no statement from the owners allaying our worries? The only one who offers an opinion, stated as fact, is Waels spokesman on here. And to think that Waels spokesman has the balls to slag off how the supporters club is run. You couldnt make it up. Who said that?? It was fans moaning about the board. Saying that had agreed to sell them already. Don't think anyone put a positive spin on it?? Stop making out you know, when you don't. Know your spies are gone, you don't know what they are working on. Could be good, could be bad. You don't know either way.Could be they are not working on anything.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 16, 2020 18:25:00 GMT
Who said that?? It was fans moaning about the board. Saying that had agreed to sell them already. Don't think anyone put a positive spin on it?? Stop making out you know, when you don't. Know your spies are gone, you don't know what they are working on. Could be good, could be bad. You don't know either way.Could be they are not working on anything. They might be doing nothing. Might have stopped as in talks to sell. Don't think they will want to continue to pay millions a season without a plan though. So expect they are doing something. Even if that's just looking to sell. Someone is signing off this transfers though.
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 16, 2020 18:43:06 GMT
Could be they are not working on anything. They might be doing nothing. Might have stopped as in talks to sell. Don't think they will want to continue to pay millions a season without a plan though. So expect they are doing something. Even if that's just looking to sell. Someone is signing off this transfers though. For me, there lies the problem, I don’t think they have had a plan from the start. They were full of it to begin with & if I’m honest I lapped it up like plenty of others. I didn’t want a bad word said about them. I was like that until the failed UWE announcement, how they announced it, how Hamer was rolled out to speak to the press when it seemed he had no more idea what was going on than the rest of us. Then Wael, with comments on refurbishing the Mem, to hide the fact there was no plan B. All the BS about having stadium designers who have designed 12 stadiums on board, etc. It’s commendable that some people can still believe they have the clubs best interest at heart, but I am not one of them. I really hope I’m wrong, because I’m a football fan, my club is Rovers & it pains me to see what is happening. Everyone to their opinion tho. UTG
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Post by aghast on Jan 16, 2020 18:44:40 GMT
I am really looking forward to Wael's next interview/statement because it surely has to say something significant.
Coming on the radio and saying nothing apart from comments about progress behind the scenes has been tried and tested.
A total radio (and all other media) blackout has also been used for months now, with great success, since the fans appear happy to accept nothing.
So he can continue for many more months now if he has nothing to report. Therefore, using my own logic, the next time he speaks, it has to be to actually say something is actually happening.
Like a new stadium, a new owner, some new investment, or something. He surely can never go on Twentyman again and say "these things take time, but I cannot go into details". That avenue has been closed.
So, it may take hours, days, weeks or months, but I really believe the next time our owner speaks it'll be The Big News.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 16, 2020 18:47:42 GMT
They might be doing nothing. Might have stopped as in talks to sell. Don't think they will want to continue to pay millions a season without a plan though. So expect they are doing something. Even if that's just looking to sell. Someone is signing off this transfers though. For me, there lies the problem, I don’t think they have had a plan from the start. They were full of it to begin with & if I’m honest I lapped it up like plenty of others. I didn’t want a bad word said about them. I was like that until the failed UWE announcement, how they announced it, how Hamer was rolled out to speak to the press when it seemed he had no more idea what was going on than the rest of us. Then Wael, with comments on refurbishing the Mem, to hide the fact there was no plan B. All the BS about having stadium designers who have designed 12 stadiums on board, etc. It’s commendable that some people can still believe they have the clubs best interest at heart, but I am not one of them. I really hope I’m wrong, because I’m a football fan, my club is Rovers & it pains me to see what is happening. Everyone to their opinion tho. UTG They did hold meetings regarding the mem though. But it didn't seem viable. They may well have stopped there. Point is we won't know either way. Uwe was planned in secret for years. Didn't work out in the end. But who knows what is happening now. That's why I'm still undecided on the board. I think we could do better, but we could also do a lot worse. I think they will sell up now anyway.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 16, 2020 18:54:34 GMT
I am really looking forward to Wael's next interview/statement because it surely has to say something significant.Coming on the radio and saying nothing apart from comments about progress behind the scenes has been tried and tested. A total radio (and all other media) blackout has also been used for months now, with great success, since the fans appear happy to accept nothing. So he can continue for many more months now if he has nothing to report. Therefore, using my own logic, the next time he speaks, it has to be to actually say something is actually happening. Like a new stadium, a new owner, some new investment, or something. He surely can never go on Twentyman again and say "these things take time, but I cannot go into details". That avenue has been closed. So, it may take hours, days, weeks or months, but I really believe the next time our owner speaks it'll be The Big News. I would like to think this would be sooner than later in my opinion
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 16, 2020 19:07:27 GMT
For me, there lies the problem, I don’t think they have had a plan from the start. They were full of it to begin with & if I’m honest I lapped it up like plenty of others. I didn’t want a bad word said about them. I was like that until the failed UWE announcement, how they announced it, how Hamer was rolled out to speak to the press when it seemed he had no more idea what was going on than the rest of us. Then Wael, with comments on refurbishing the Mem, to hide the fact there was no plan B. All the BS about having stadium designers who have designed 12 stadiums on board, etc. It’s commendable that some people can still believe they have the clubs best interest at heart, but I am not one of them. I really hope I’m wrong, because I’m a football fan, my club is Rovers & it pains me to see what is happening. Everyone to their opinion tho. UTG They did hold meetings regarding the mem though. But it didn't seem viable. They may well have stopped there. Point is we won't know either way. Uwe was planned in secret for years. Didn't work out in the end. But who knows what is happening now. That's why I'm still undecided on the board. I think we could do better, but we could also do a lot worse. I think they will sell up now anyway. Daniel are you really 4O years old or one of those internet weidos who pretends to be a different age than they really are, perhaps continually posting "LOL" gives the game away and you really are a teenager who still believes Father Christmas bought you your presents on the the 25th, you must be if you still think Wael is working on stadium plans whilst his family are trying to offload the club. In fact who's left to work on a stadium project, Starnes as suggested it's not within his remit, Hamer & Turner have gone, there's nobody even left to work on the project at the club.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 19:15:41 GMT
They did hold meetings regarding the mem though. But it didn't seem viable. They may well have stopped there. Point is we won't know either way. Uwe was planned in secret for years. Didn't work out in the end. But who knows what is happening now. That's why I'm still undecided on the board. I think we could do better, but we could also do a lot worse. I think they will sell up now anyway. Daniel are you really 4O years old or one of those internet weidos who pretends to be a different age than they really are, perhaps continually posting "LOL" gives the game away and you really are a teenager who still believes Father Christmas bought you your presents on the the 25th, you must be if you still think Wael is working on stadium plans whilst his family are trying to offload the club. In fact who's left to work on a stadium project, Starnes as suggested it's not within his remit, Hamer & Turner have gone, there's nobody even left to work on the project at the club. Topper gas get a life you are on here 24/7 lol
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 16, 2020 19:16:03 GMT
For me, there lies the problem, I don’t think they have had a plan from the start. They were full of it to begin with & if I’m honest I lapped it up like plenty of others. I didn’t want a bad word said about them. I was like that until the failed UWE announcement, how they announced it, how Hamer was rolled out to speak to the press when it seemed he had no more idea what was going on than the rest of us. Then Wael, with comments on refurbishing the Mem, to hide the fact there was no plan B. All the BS about having stadium designers who have designed 12 stadiums on board, etc. It’s commendable that some people can still believe they have the clubs best interest at heart, but I am not one of them. I really hope I’m wrong, because I’m a football fan, my club is Rovers & it pains me to see what is happening. Everyone to their opinion tho. UTG They did hold meetings regarding the mem though. But it didn't seem viable. They may well have stopped there. Point is we won't know either way. Uwe was planned in secret for years. Didn't work out in the end. But who knows what is happening now. That's why I'm still undecided on the board. I think we could do better, but we could also do a lot worse. I think they will sell up now anyway. Time will tell daniel. For me I would have been happy with evolution on the pitch, but the infrastructure off the pitch was so far behind the times, it really needed, revolutionary ideas.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 16, 2020 19:16:28 GMT
It’s really rather irrelevant what the potential terms were for the second potential UWE deal, as UWE decided not to proceed and keep the land for an alternative use. Wael publicly said that he thought they had a deal agreed the second time, but UWE pulled out. UWE confirmed that they wished to use the land for something else. Game over, we need to move on from UWE. I thought Wael etc were only involved in the Higgs scheme and that was the deal that collapsed, Dwane Sports being the ones who pulled the plug? Wasn't it potential new/previous owners who tried to resurrect the deal to launch a takeover? Nope!!
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Post by gas2 on Jan 16, 2020 19:21:13 GMT
Martyn Starnes on radio 2-15 Saturday hope g t does a Andrew Neil on him
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 16, 2020 19:38:49 GMT
They did hold meetings regarding the mem though. But it didn't seem viable. They may well have stopped there. Point is we won't know either way. Uwe was planned in secret for years. Didn't work out in the end. But who knows what is happening now. That's why I'm still undecided on the board. I think we could do better, but we could also do a lot worse. I think they will sell up now anyway. Daniel are you really 4O years old or one of those internet weidos who pretends to be a different age than they really are, perhaps continually posting "LOL" gives the game away and you really are a teenager who still believes Father Christmas bought you your presents on the the 25th, you must be if you still think Wael is working on stadium plans whilst his family are trying to offload the club. In fact who's left to work on a stadium project, Starnes as suggested it's not within his remit, Hamer & Turner have gone, there's nobody even left to work on the project at the club. I didn't say that. But the club would be easier to sell, so it would make sense?? Why do you always have to be personal?? You're just grumpy 99% of the time. Couldn't really care how old you think I am. It's not hard to work out by my username though! But then you don't like to actually look into things.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 16, 2020 19:48:23 GMT
Daniel are you really 4O years old or one of those internet weidos who pretends to be a different age than they really are, perhaps continually posting "LOL" gives the game away and you really are a teenager who still believes Father Christmas bought you your presents on the the 25th, you must be if you still think Wael is working on stadium plans whilst his family are trying to offload the club. In fact who's left to work on a stadium project, Starnes as suggested it's not within his remit, Hamer & Turner have gone, there's nobody even left to work on the project at the club. I didn't say that. But the club would be easier to sell, so it would make sense?? Why do you always have to be personal?? You're just grumpy 99% of the time. Couldn't really care how old you think I am. It's not hard to work out by my username though! But then you don't like to actually look into things. Plus why would I pretended to be nearly 40?? Surely people pretend to be younger, not older??
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