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Post by Gastafari on Feb 18, 2020 11:16:59 GMT
Makes you weep when you look at Swansea and Cardiff and how they've moved onwards and upwards since the days of being our rivals. And then weep a bit more when you see Brentford and AFC Wimbledon also at it nowadays. Neither of those, especially the Dons, are conventionally rich clubs. They have rich owners. But so do we, FFS!!! What a shambles the last 4 years have been. Time for another weep. Yes but let’s balance this sobbing with a reminder that new stadia were also in place for Chesterfield, Barnet and Darlington who went the other way...and redeveloping an existing dilapidated one didn’t make Notts County kick on either. Yes we all want better facilities than we’ve got but don’t think that’s a golden ticket to the top tables. Barnet haven't really gone the other way, they're still playing at their natural level. The Hive is also about 10 miles away from their heartland. It's a bit like us when we were playing at Twerton. Darlington was just a complete sham. A club who averaged barely 2k,slap bang in the middle of Newcastle, Sunderland and Middlesbrough's catchment area go and build a 25k all seater stadium as 1 blokes vanity project, who was also a convicted criminal. Notts County was a bit like Ashton Gate, they made Meadow Lane an all seater when they were in The Championship, but it was still a sh*thole, it was just a sh*thole with 20k seats in it. Chesterfield's a strange one granted.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 18, 2020 11:34:06 GMT
Yes but let’s balance this sobbing with a reminder that new stadia were also in place for Chesterfield, Barnet and Darlington who went the other way...and redeveloping an existing dilapidated one didn’t make Notts County kick on either. Yes we all want better facilities than we’ve got but don’t think that’s a golden ticket to the top tables. Barnet haven't really gone the other way, they're still playing at their natural level. The Hive is also about 10 miles away from their heartland. It's a bit like us when we were playing at Twerton. Darlington was just a complete sham. A club who averaged barely 2k,slap bang in the middle of Newcastle, Sunderland and Middlesbrough's catchment area go and build a 25k all seater stadium as 1 blokes vanity project, who was also a convicted criminal. Notts County was a bit like Ashton Gate, they made Meadow Lane an all seater when they were in The Championship, but it was still a sh*thole, it was just a sh*thole with 20k seats in it. Chesterfield's a strange one granted.That's less to do with the stadium and more to do with Dave Allen. A new stadium can give you the platform to do well, however if you're run as woefully as Chesterfield have been you can still fail.
An investment in a stadium for Rovers wouldn't mean we're sorted, it would create that platform. We should be looking at Rotherham as an example;
2006/07 - League One - 23rd R 2007/08 - League Two - 9th 2008/09 - League Two - 14th 2009/10 - League Two - 5th 2010/11 - League Two - 9th 2011/12 - League Two - 10th Move to NYS 2012/13 - League Two - 2nd P 2013/14 - League One - 4th P 2014/15 - Championship - 21st 2015/16 - Championship - 21st 2016/17 - Championship - 24th R 2017/18 - League One - 4th P 2018/19 - Championship - 22nd R
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Feb 18, 2020 15:01:18 GMT
Yes but let’s balance this sobbing with a reminder that new stadia were also in place for Chesterfield, Barnet and Darlington who went the other way...and redeveloping an existing dilapidated one didn’t make Notts County kick on either. Yes we all want better facilities than we’ve got but don’t think that’s a golden ticket to the top tables. Why do posters, who assume know something about football, keep referring to Darlington when it's a well known fact their stadium was built on the proceeds of crime, anybody with any common sense can see their new stadium was never viable. My point is nothing to do with where the money to build it came from but the fact that the wonder of a new stadium did not generate the expected enthusiasm and increased support. I went to the new stadium when they’d just moved in. Most new stadiums add thousands on the gate in the first season due to the novelty value. Their stadium did not generate that new stadium bounce because it was built miles from anywhere and their crowds never suggested they would populate even a quarter of it. It was a ghost town stadium.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 18, 2020 20:13:15 GMT
Why do posters, who assume know something about football, keep referring to Darlington when it's a well known fact their stadium was built on the proceeds of crime, anybody with any common sense can see their new stadium was never viable. My point is nothing to do with where the money to build it came from but the fact that the wonder of a new stadium did not generate the expected enthusiasm and increased support. I went to the new stadium when they’d just moved in. Most new stadiums add thousands on the gate in the first season due to the novelty value. Their stadium did not generate that new stadium bounce because it was built miles from anywhere and their crowds never suggested they would populate even a quarter of it. It was a ghost town stadium. But it simply was never going to work in a town with a population of just 100K, hence why it's totally irrelevant to us getting a new stadium.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Feb 18, 2020 22:31:43 GMT
Have it your way (you always do) but I repeat in the context of new stadiums aiding the upward rise of many teams in and around us it is a valid example of no upturn in fortune resulting from the Provision of the stadium. The original post also bemoans the fact that AFCW and Brentford from our level are about to have new homes...Brentford’s upturn has arrived well before the stadium and we’ll know more about the wombles when they are in it but it would be good to see them experience the bounce too in order to encourage our owners to come up with a viable solution to our own issues...I’d like us to do a Cardiff, Swansea or, going further back in time Wigan, just don’t want us to do a Chesterfield or Notts County .... or for that matter have our club sold to crook developers like Darlington !!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 22:45:32 GMT
We could fail if we get a new stadium. We will fail if we do not.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 18, 2020 22:53:01 GMT
Have it your way (you always do) but I repeat in the context of new stadiums aiding the upward rise of many teams in and around us it is a valid example of no upturn in fortune resulting from the Provision of the stadium. The original post also bemoans the fact that AFCW and Brentford from our level are about to have new homes...Brentford’s upturn has arrived well before the stadium and we’ll know more about the wombles when they are in it but it would be good to see them experience the bounce too in order to encourage our owners to come up with a viable solution to our own issues...I’d like us to do a Cardiff, Swansea or, going further back in time Wigan, just don’t want us to do a Chesterfield or Notts County .... or for that matter have our club sold to crook developers like Darlington !! We've zero control over what happens anyway, so it's not worth even worrying about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 23:02:44 GMT
Have it your way (you always do) but I repeat in the context of new stadiums aiding the upward rise of many teams in and around us it is a valid example of no upturn in fortune resulting from the Provision of the stadium. The original post also bemoans the fact that AFCW and Brentford from our level are about to have new homes...Brentford’s upturn has arrived well before the stadium and we’ll know more about the wombles when they are in it but it would be good to see them experience the bounce too in order to encourage our owners to come up with a viable solution to our own issues...I’d like us to do a Cardiff, Swansea or, going further back in time Wigan, just don’t want us to do a Chesterfield or Notts County .... or for that matter have our club sold to crook developers like Darlington !! Don’t waste your energy. Let him find an empty phone box to argue in.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 19, 2020 8:56:09 GMT
Have it your way (you always do) but I repeat in the context of new stadiums aiding the upward rise of many teams in and around us it is a valid example of no upturn in fortune resulting from the Provision of the stadium. The original post also bemoans the fact that AFCW and Brentford from our level are about to have new homes...Brentford’s upturn has arrived well before the stadium and we’ll know more about the wombles when they are in it but it would be good to see them experience the bounce too in order to encourage our owners to come up with a viable solution to our own issues...I’d like us to do a Cardiff, Swansea or, going further back in time Wigan, just don’t want us to do a Chesterfield or Notts County .... or for that matter have our club sold to crook developers like Darlington !! Don’t waste your energy. Let him find an empty phone box to argue in. I think you need to learn the difference between arguing and discussing, if we can't do the latter on here they may as well close the forum down.
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Post by oldgas on Feb 19, 2020 9:38:57 GMT
Yes but let’s balance this sobbing with a reminder that new stadia were also in place for Chesterfield, Barnet and Darlington who went the other way...and redeveloping an existing dilapidated one didn’t make Notts County kick on either. Yes we all want better facilities than we’ve got but don’t think that’s a golden ticket to the top tables. Barnet haven't really gone the other way, they're still playing at their natural level. The Hive is also about 10 miles away from their heartland. It's a bit like us when we were playing at Twerton. Darlington was just a complete sham. A club who averaged barely 2k,slap bang in the middle of Newcastle, Sunderland and Middlesbrough's catchment area go and build a 25k all seater stadium as 1 blokes vanity project, who was also a convicted criminal. Notts County was a bit like Ashton Gate, they made Meadow Lane an all seater when they were in The Championship, but it was still a sh*thole, it was just a sh*thole with 20k seats in it. Chesterfield's a strange one granted. Meadow Lane is a nice little stadium with modest, new stands. The old Meadow Lane with its railway sleeper terraces and wobbly wooden stands, now that was a s hit hole. Just like the Victorian streets of slum housing which made up the Meadows area around the ground. The streets and houses have been swept away and replaced with a typical 1970's housing estate. It's even more of a s hit hole now.
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Post by lpgas on Feb 19, 2020 22:17:40 GMT
I like countys' ground. we need a new ground that has a lot more facilities, and where everyone can the game without Mr Big head and his mate arriving at 3.01pm restricting your view
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Post by blueridge on Feb 20, 2020 10:12:02 GMT
Will be interesting to see if Peterborough get their proposed new 20k capacity stadium up and running by 2022/23. Another ‘small’ (ish) club with ambition leaving us in its wake!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 20, 2020 10:48:18 GMT
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Post by axegas on Feb 20, 2020 10:52:35 GMT
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Feb 20, 2020 11:13:10 GMT
Just checking in as I do every other month or so to see if anything tangible has happened.... Alas, it has not. Again.
You really do have to wonder if any other clubs fan base would be so apathetic to such apparent disregard from the powers to be of their club?
The lack of progress off the pitch at Bristol Rovers over the last 3 years is appalling, but what is even worse than that is the lack of communication over that period. The fact that the only real news we have had on the stadium front in the last 12 months or so came from a frankly bizarre 'off the cuff' comment from Wael during a pre match interview all the way back in August really does sum it all up.
The fact that those south of the river seem to be moving in the opposite direction in terms of their infrastructure of course further highlights our lack of progress as well.
I would say it is probably about time that us fans started voting with our feet, but looking at the steady decline in attendance over the last 18 months or so and I would say that has already started to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 11:33:54 GMT
Just checking in as I do every other month or so to see if anything tangible has happened.... Alas, it has not. Again. You really do have to wonder if any other clubs fan base would be so apathetic to such apparent disregard from the powers to be of their club? The lack of progress off the pitch at Bristol Rovers over the last 3 years is appalling, but what is even worse than that is the lack of communication over that period. The fact that the only real news we have had on the stadium front in the last 12 months or so came from a frankly bizarre 'off the cuff' comment from Wael during a pre match interview all the way back in August really does sum it all up. The fact that those south of the river seem to be moving in the opposite direction in terms of their infrastructure of course further highlights our lack of progress as well. I would say it is probably about time that us fans started voting with our feet, but looking at the steady decline in attendance over the last 18 months or so and I would say that has already started to happen. They're looking at a number of sites...these things take time...working hard behind the scenes.......12 world class stadiums...........has to be a good deal for Dwayne Bristol Rovers....... I've said this before, when they said Evolution not Revolution, nobody thought it would be in real-time.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 20, 2020 13:11:39 GMT
Perhaps Mr ALQ sadly passing away will now lead to some big decisions being made by the family, I assume the club will now be owned by the 3 brothers, if so, then Hani & Sammi may not want to keep on throwing away £1m+ on an English football club, even if the late Mr ALQ was prepared to support his youngest son's attempts at football club ownership.
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Post by baggins on Feb 20, 2020 13:17:39 GMT
Perhaps Mr ALQ sadly passing away will now lead to some big decisions being made by the family, I assume the club will now be owned by the 3 brothers, if so, then Hani & Sammi may not want to keep on throwing away £1m+ on an English football club, even if the late Mr ALQ was prepared to support his youngest son's attempts at football club ownership. Bit early for all this isn't it?
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Post by lpgas on Feb 20, 2020 13:34:17 GMT
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Post by piratepezza on Feb 20, 2020 15:17:12 GMT
Sure, but is it relevant?
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