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Post by Gasshole on Feb 25, 2020 4:41:28 GMT
Anyone heard from the ITK crew lately ..... seems to have gone quiet ? They were apprehended at the training ground with 3 large bags of Fox sh1t. The old bill are not sure if they were stealing it or dumping it. Looks bad though.
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Post by matealotblue on Feb 25, 2020 7:28:08 GMT
Anyone heard from the ITK crew lately ..... seems to have gone quiet ? They were apprehended at the training ground with 3 large bags of Fox sh1t. The old bill are not sure if they were stealing it or dumping it. Looks bad though. You sure it wasn’t Bull sh**?
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Post by oldgas on Feb 25, 2020 7:47:28 GMT
That might well be true. But is it a good thing for the fans?Or the owners? What not having Hamer and Masters around any more? Can only speak for myself but I can't say I've shed a tear over it. Hamer was nothing but a bullshittng, lying twat. Masters I have no opinion about.
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Post by oldgas on Feb 25, 2020 7:48:25 GMT
Anyone heard from the ITK crew lately ..... seems to have gone quiet ? They were apprehended at the training ground with 3 large bags of Fox sh1t. The old bill are not sure if they were stealing it or dumping it. Looks bad though. Smells even worse.!
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Post by Gassy on Feb 25, 2020 8:33:15 GMT
Why was the Arturus design less constrained by existing stand heights? Have planning regulations changed? Or some other reason? I suppose it was because they were going to rotate the pitch. Gassy will answer I am sure, but as the Arturus design got planning permission, I don't think there was any particular constraint on the heights. I don't think planning rues have changed to affect this aspect.
aghast There is talk of a height restriction at the Mem, but legally speaking I don't believe there is one. Realistically though there is one as planning permission would never be granted due to the lack of sunlight on the gardens/houses behind. The height restriction is basically not to go higher than the East Stand already goes, which is 26m I believe. The reason the south stand was 1 tier and lower/smaller than the rest of the stadium was due to sunlight on the housing behind I believe:
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Post by Gassy on Feb 25, 2020 8:41:06 GMT
You can easily fit in a tidy stadium at the Mem if you move the pitch, problem is that you need to move away to do it as you'd need to move other stands if you wanted to make more space for a larger south stand. And at that point, you might as well rebuild the whole thing. I reckon the Mem could fit about 16,000 without moving anything. When I get some free time, I actually design some stadiums for fun as an 'amateur architect'. Started doing the Mem a while ago to the specs of that land. It's unfinished, but you can have a look below. I think this holds 16,500 or something, I have some notes but can't find them atm as I've moved houses recently. I wanted to see what could be done without going above the current Mem height and without moving the pitch: Really like the design and the fact that it isn't uniform. Has a bit of Escher about it...
Stand-by-stand development is always the way that it was done and potentially provides a more cost effective way to increase the non-match day income and improve the match day experience.
The Arturus design was a little more 'boxy' and had a capacity of 18,500, but they were less constrained by existing stand heights.
Unless a new billionaire comes along, I can't see Rovers doing anything other than a piece meal development. Still that hasn't been too bad down at Ashton (so I'm told).
Thanks curly. I actually took inspiration from Rotherham's new ground: The large east stand I took inspiration from Anfield's new & largest stand - which I think is absolutely stunning.
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Post by Jomo on Feb 25, 2020 8:54:54 GMT
Looks almost sexual Gassy. I wish you were working for the club on this!
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Post by Gasshole on Feb 25, 2020 9:35:17 GMT
Looks awesome Gassy, good work. Would it be possible to shift the pitch 5 meters towards the Thatchers, to even the size of both ends up. Eg both ends would be bigger than the south but smaller than the existing club house end. Or just do a Boco Juniors, 3 sided stadium with a giant thin wall on the 4th side which houses all the corporate boxes etc.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 25, 2020 11:04:34 GMT
Looks awesome Gassy, good work. Would it be possible to shift the pitch 5 meters towards the Thatchers, to even the size of both ends up. Eg both ends would be bigger than the south but smaller than the existing club house end. Or just do a Boco Juniors, 3 sided stadium with a giant thin wall on the 4th side which houses all the corporate boxes etc. Thanks mate. After a conversation with darkbluegas, I think it could be. In theory, with the current Mem you could knock down the north terrace and build it 5 meters back north and east. I guess you'd then do the same for the east stand when knocking/rebuilding that. I guess during the stand by stand rebuild, the west and south would then become completely off once the pitch is moved, but once knocked down could be moved closer. Just looking at the model now, a 5m move would make the west stand the same size as the north terrace and the south stand would be 2 rows larger than the current west stand. It's a good shout tbh, one definitely worth considering and would add roughly 1,600 to the capacity. Here's the view from the other side: Currently this design has 20 boxes which are customisable. I used to work in events and nearly all walls in hotels are removable, they're on sliders that let you adjust/break up the size of the room. I'd also do this here as well as the balcony style boxes wall would be able to go into the floor. Essentially it would give you the opportunity to rent out the entire box/suite on non match days, or if you're a large group of more than 10 people, you can merge boxes into 20, 30, 40 etc sized executive boxes (the larger box the bigger discount). (Ignore the very unfinished executive boxes)
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 25, 2020 11:39:35 GMT
Looks awesome Gassy, good work. Would it be possible to shift the pitch 5 meters towards the Thatchers, to even the size of both ends up. Eg both ends would be bigger than the south but smaller than the existing club house end. Or just do a Boco Juniors, 3 sided stadium with a giant thin wall on the 4th side which houses all the corporate boxes etc. Thanks mate. After a conversation with darkbluegas, I think it could be. In theory, with the current Mem you could knock down the north terrace and build it 5 meters back north and east. I guess you'd then do the same for the east stand when knocking/rebuilding that. I guess during the stand by stand rebuild, the west and south would then become completely off once the pitch is moved, but once knocked down could be moved closer. Just looking at the model now, a 5m move would make the west stand the same size as the north terrace and the south stand would be 2 rows larger than the current west stand. It's a good shout tbh, one definitely worth considering and would add roughly 1,600 to the capacity. Here's the view from the other side: Currently this design has 20 boxes which are customisable. I used to work in events and nearly all walls in hotels are removable, they're on sliders that let you adjust/break up the size of the room. I'd also do this here as well as the balcony style boxes wall would be able to go into the floor. Essentially it would give you the opportunity to rent out the entire box/suite on non match days, or if you're a large group of more than 10 people, you can merge boxes into 20, 30, 40 etc sized executive boxes (the larger box the bigger discount). (Ignore the very unfinished executive boxes) It’s looking good so far. I think the tweaking of the pitch to make the best use of the site, whilst being able to stay in the stadium is the way to go. With some clever roof design on the south and east stands we would minimise light reduction to adjoining residences. The planning law in relation to light is quite interesting and offers us some room to manoeuvre. With some thought to the traffic implications and access requirements we could crack on and submit a planning application. We just need to serve a notice on the landowners. Maybe if there’s any quantity surveyors out there we could begin to look at financing to get the cheapest elements of the project proposed to the club.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 11:56:29 GMT
Anyone heard from the ITK crew lately ..... seems to have gone quiet ? The silence appears to have coincided with the departure of Steve Hamer and Ken Masters.
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Post by aghast on Feb 25, 2020 12:04:14 GMT
Looks awesome Gassy, good work. Would it be possible to shift the pitch 5 meters towards the Thatchers, to even the size of both ends up. Eg both ends would be bigger than the south but smaller than the existing club house end. Or just do a Boco Juniors, 3 sided stadium with a giant thin wall on the 4th side which houses all the corporate boxes etc. Thanks mate. After a conversation with darkbluegas, I think it could be. In theory, with the current Mem you could knock down the north terrace and build it 5 meters back north and east. I guess you'd then do the same for the east stand when knocking/rebuilding that. I guess during the stand by stand rebuild, the west and south would then become completely off once the pitch is moved, but once knocked down could be moved closer. Just looking at the model now, a 5m move would make the west stand the same size as the north terrace and the south stand would be 2 rows larger than the current west stand. It's a good shout tbh, one definitely worth considering and would add roughly 1,600 to the capacity. Here's the view from the other side: Currently this design has 20 boxes which are customisable. I used to work in events and nearly all walls in hotels are removable, they're on sliders that let you adjust/break up the size of the room. I'd also do this here as well as the balcony style boxes wall would be able to go into the floor. Essentially it would give you the opportunity to rent out the entire box/suite on non match days, or if you're a large group of more than 10 people, you can merge boxes into 20, 30, 40 etc sized executive boxes (the larger box the bigger discount). (Ignore the very unfinished executive boxes) Excellent work, gassy. All we need to do is build it now! Oh, and pay for it. 🤔 But surely a stand by stand redevelopment would be much cheaper than a new stadium in the middle of nowhere or on a brownfield site? I think most fans would prefer to stay at the Mem anyway. That would take capacity up to about 17,500, which is quite adequate for us even if by some miracle we got into the Championship. Is your design expandable? I know it won't happen but it's nice to dream.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 25, 2020 12:12:40 GMT
Can I reserve a seat, please?
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Post by baggins on Feb 25, 2020 12:12:59 GMT
Thanks mate. After a conversation with darkbluegas, I think it could be. In theory, with the current Mem you could knock down the north terrace and build it 5 meters back north and east. I guess you'd then do the same for the east stand when knocking/rebuilding that. I guess during the stand by stand rebuild, the west and south would then become completely off once the pitch is moved, but once knocked down could be moved closer. Just looking at the model now, a 5m move would make the west stand the same size as the north terrace and the south stand would be 2 rows larger than the current west stand. It's a good shout tbh, one definitely worth considering and would add roughly 1,600 to the capacity. Here's the view from the other side: Currently this design has 20 boxes which are customisable. I used to work in events and nearly all walls in hotels are removable, they're on sliders that let you adjust/break up the size of the room. I'd also do this here as well as the balcony style boxes wall would be able to go into the floor. Essentially it would give you the opportunity to rent out the entire box/suite on non match days, or if you're a large group of more than 10 people, you can merge boxes into 20, 30, 40 etc sized executive boxes (the larger box the bigger discount). (Ignore the very unfinished executive boxes) Excellent work, gassy. All we need to do is build it now! Oh, and pay for it. 🤔 But surely a stand by stand redevelopment would be much cheaper than a new stadium in the middle of nowhere or on a brownfield site? I think most fans would prefer to stay at the Mem anyway. That would take capacity up to about 17,500, which is quite adequate for us even if by some miracle we got into the Championship. Is your design expandable? I know it won't happen but it's nice to dream. I thought it's already been mentioned that re-development of the Mem just isn't going to happen? Nice graphics though, looks good to me.
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Post by wsmjohn on Feb 25, 2020 12:13:31 GMT
We need people with money to help get this off the ground, other clubs appear to have financial backers. Our most famous fan is Jeffrey Archer, his net worth is 200 million dollars. Perhaps we could ask him for advice, he might write a book for us. Our strength as a club is our fanatical fans our unique identity with our blue quarters. Nick names Pirates and the Gas, UTG.
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Post by rusho'gas on Feb 25, 2020 12:17:56 GMT
There's only one flaw. The stands face the pitch.
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Post by baggins on Feb 25, 2020 12:18:57 GMT
We need people with money to help get this off the ground, other clubs appear to have financial backers. Our most famous fan is Jeffrey Archer, his net worth is 200 million dollars. Perhaps we could ask him for advice, he might write a book for us. Our strength as a club is our fanatical fans our unique identity with our blue quarters. Nick names Pirates and the Gas, UTG. Advice? From Jeffrey Archer?
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Post by wertongas on Feb 25, 2020 12:20:41 GMT
Points to consider
1) When I worked as a local government officer, planning used me as a consultant and I was under the impression that there is only a right to vertical light, although this is probably not set in stone. But the biggest reason that a large stand can't be built at the south end is because there just isn't enough space, the South stand is on a narrow strip of land. 2) Two sets of planning have already been passed to re-develop the Mem , the first was to keep the pitch as it is and the stadium would have had a 15,500 capacity the second was for a 18,000 stadium. So a president has already been set and it would be difficult for planners to turn down a future stadium plans of a similar size on the site. 3) When I spoke to the directors last year I was told they were not interested in developing the Mem due to its location and problems that would be caused by traffic on matchdays. Although they were looking at schemes that would encourage more fans to use public transport and reduce traffic around the area. 4) I was told the stadium is so poorly designed that none of the terrace will take seats so new stands have to be built which is why the family stand is a tent perched on top of existing terrace, by the way the club don't own the tents they are hired in. I was informed at the time that the club were looking at a few sites and good progress was being made ?. 5) As we well know Wael does not have the sort of money that is required to develop the Mem or build a new stadium and Wael does not have the full backing of the rest of the family. At the moment there are rumours of outside investors but they are just rumours. 6) When we were at Twerton and got into the Championship, Gerry Francis left saying he could not take the club ant further, nearly 30 years later, GC said the same as one of his reasons for leaving. So one thing is clear we desperately need improved facilities, Steve Yates said to me he would be happy if the club developed the Mem into a 15,000 seater stadium I would be happy with that anything is better than what we have, if we could find the money!.
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Post by baggins on Feb 25, 2020 12:22:35 GMT
Points to consider 1) When I worked as a local government officer, planning used me as a consultant and I was under the impression that there is only a right to vertical light, although this is probably not set in stone. But the biggest reason that a large stand can't be built at the south end is because there just isn't enough space, the South stand is on a narrow strip of land. 2) Two sets of planning have already been passed to re-develop the Mem , the first was to keep the pitch as it is and the stadium would have had a 15,500 capacity the second was for a 18,000 stadium. So a president has already been set and it would be difficult for planners to turn down a future stadium plans of a similar size on the site. 3) When I spoke to the directors last year I was told they were not interested in developing the Mem due to its location and problems that would be caused by traffic on matchdays. Although they were looking at schemes that would encourage more fans to use public transport and reduce traffic around the area. 4) I was told the stadium is so poorly designed that none of the terrace will take seats so new stands have to be built which is why the family stand is a tent perched on top of existing terrace, by the way the club don't own the tents they are hired in. I was informed at the time that the club were looking at a few sites and good progress was being made ?. 5) As we well know Wael does not have the sort of money that is required to develop the Mem or build a new stadium and Wael does not have the full backing of the rest of the family. At the moment there are rumours of outside investors but they are just rumours. 6) When we were at Twerton and got into the Championship, Gerry Francis left saying he could not take the club ant further, nearly 30 years later, GC said the same as one of his reasons for leaving. So one thing is clear we desperately need improved facilities, Steve Yates said to me he would be happy if the club developed the Mem into a 15,000 seater stadium I would be happy with that anything is better than what we have, if we could find the money!. Bottom line, cash. We don't have it.
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 25, 2020 12:35:03 GMT
Excellent work, gassy. All we need to do is build it now! Oh, and pay for it. 🤔 But surely a stand by stand redevelopment would be much cheaper than a new stadium in the middle of nowhere or on a brownfield site? I think most fans would prefer to stay at the Mem anyway. That would take capacity up to about 17,500, which is quite adequate for us even if by some miracle we got into the Championship. Is your design expandable? I know it won't happen but it's nice to dream. I thought it's already been mentioned that re-development of the Mem just isn't going to happen? Nice graphics though, looks good to me. Maybe it’s up to the fans to decide what does and doesn’t happen at our club rather than waiting for some developer to come along and Nick the site off us
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