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Post by mftc on Feb 21, 2023 18:41:13 GMT
The bottom line is that Mem loses money because we don't use it enough and we pay wages that are far far too high.
During the Sharescheme period pretty sure the Mem was used so much more often than now.
Does it matter if it is a basket meal with a pub singer,a SC quiz, or a charity event, or leased out at peppercorn rent for exams during the daytime. If they make a profit for the club, why do we not do it now? Why are support organisatons using other facilities when they can still make decent profits at the Mem?
Hopefully the white paper will have an impact.
What other profession pays £60-80k a year (season) to someone who is unable to do their job? The PFA is too strong.
We play 51 games minimum, but how many of our squad are fit enough (or suspended) so only play half that. If you orI turned up only 26 weeks a year we would expect to be on a part time wage. The supply of players is huge so wages have to come down.
When you read the EP jobs guide and got an interview - but got turned down, did the employers have to pay an agents fee? No. Agents are stealing money from the game.
There needs to be major changes. Why is it that clubs cannot fund themselves based on a realistic budget. If we get 8,000 supporters why are we paying expenditure based on 12,000?
It is madness. If football got its house in order, we could be profitable.
Maybe it's just a pipe dream to be sustainable but so many clubs get stuck chasing the dream.
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Post by eric on Feb 21, 2023 18:48:50 GMT
The bottom line is that Mem loses money because we don't use it enough and we pay wages that are far far too high. During the Sharescheme period pretty sure the Mem was used so much more often than now. Does it matter if it is a basket meal with a pub singer,a SC quiz, or a charity event, or leased out at peppercorn rent for exams during the daytime. If they make a profit for the club, why do we not do it now? Why are support organisatons using other facilities when they can still make decent profits at the Mem? Hopefully the white paper will have an impact. What other profession pays £60-80k a year (season) to someone who is unable to do their job? The PFA is too strong. We play 51 games minimum, but how many of our squad are fit enough (or suspended) so only play half that. If you orI turned up only 26 weeks a year we would expect to be on a part time wage. The supply of players is huge so wages have to come down. When you read the EP jobs guide and got an interview - but got turned down, did the employers have to pay an agents fee? No. Agents are stealing money from the game. There needs to be major changes. Why is it that clubs cannot fund themselves based on a realistic budget. If we get 8,000 supporters why are we paying expenditure based on 12,000? It is madness. If football got its house in order, we could be profitable. Maybe it's just a pipe dream to be sustainable but so many clubs get stuck chasing the dream. Agree on agents fees and that would easily be eradicated if football clubs were banned from making payments to such third parties. If players then choose to employ an agent they would have to pay them themselves out of their net pay. Massive cuts in wages when injured or suspended is a ridiculous idea and football can’t reasonably be compared to normal jobs in this respect. Do you want to see players avoiding tackles for fear of getting injured or suspended? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 21, 2023 18:59:27 GMT
Pretty certain the deal was only viable if Sainsbury's gave us approximately £10m for the Mem than it was really worth. If it was so viable then why didn't Higgs & co not press on and build it themselves? They had run out of money and sold with the understanding that the new owners were going to run with UWE. That was from one of the ex horses mouths. Nick Higgs was a horse? That would explain the long face. I'll get my coat. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 19:05:27 GMT
They had run out of money and sold with the understanding that the new owners were going to run with UWE. That was from one of the ex horses mouths. Nick Higgs was a horse? That would explain the long face. I'll get my coat.  Now that is one individual who didn't know the truth. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 21, 2023 19:08:34 GMT
Chris Brown has kindly clarified his FB post:-
"By the way to all those saying on the Gaschat Forum that I've said that Conygar are no longer interested in building a stadium on the FM that's not quite true. Please read my post again - reading the Bristol Live article by James Piercy it's the conclusion I've come to - others may beg to differ which is their perogative."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 19:09:56 GMT
Chris Brown has kindly clarified his FB post:- "By the way to all those saying on the Gaschat Forum that I've said that Conygar are no longer interested in building a stadium on the FM that's not quite true. Please read my post again - reading the Bristol Live article by James Piercy it's the conclusion I've come to - others may beg to differ which is their perogative."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 19:12:31 GMT
Chris Brown has kindly clarified his FB post:- "By the way to all those saying on the Gaschat Forum that I've said that Conygar are no longer interested in building a stadium on the FM that's not quite true. Please read my post again - reading the Bristol Live article by James Piercy it's the conclusion I've come to - others may beg to differ which is their perogative."
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Post by eric on Feb 21, 2023 19:13:37 GMT
Chris Brown has kindly clarified his FB post:- "By the way to all those saying on the Gaschat Forum that I've said that Conygar are no longer interested in building a stadium on the FM that's not quite true. Please read my post again - reading the Bristol Live article by James Piercy it's the conclusion I've come to - others may beg to differ which is their perogative."
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Post by bambergashead on Feb 21, 2023 19:24:20 GMT
Chris Brown has kindly clarified his FB post:- "By the way to all those saying on the Gaschat Forum that I've said that Conygar are no longer interested in building a stadium on the FM that's not quite true. Please read my post again - reading the Bristol Live article by James Piercy it's the conclusion I've come to - others may beg to differ which is their perogative."
Darn. I thought it was already Gaschat fact the the Fruit Market was officially off !!!!!! This thread will never die... until we get a ground! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 19:42:45 GMT
Reading through what has been explained on the FM site it does raise a question with me. The FM site would have been a lease with some sharing of revenue. I don't see how that would have been any different to what we would have been signing up to with the UWE. When it comes down to it I just don't think we have the finance or investors for a new stadium. Perhaps since costs have changed Conygar have now asked for a slice of revenue and that’s what’s causing problems? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 21, 2023 19:48:22 GMT
Darn. I thought it was already Gaschat fact the the Fruit Market was officially off !!!!!! This thread will never die. Fixed that for you, no charge. 😇 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 20:00:59 GMT
The bottom line is that Mem loses money because we don't use it enough and we pay wages that are far far too high. During the Sharescheme period pretty sure the Mem was used so much more often than now. Does it matter if it is a basket meal with a pub singer,a SC quiz, or a charity event, or leased out at peppercorn rent for exams during the daytime. If they make a profit for the club, why do we not do it now? Why are support organisatons using other facilities when they can still make decent profits at the Mem? Hopefully the white paper will have an impact. What other profession pays £60-80k a year (season) to someone who is unable to do their job? The PFA is too strong. We play 51 games minimum, but how many of our squad are fit enough (or suspended) so only play half that. If you orI turned up only 26 weeks a year we would expect to be on a part time wage. The supply of players is huge so wages have to come down. When you read the EP jobs guide and got an interview - but got turned down, did the employers have to pay an agents fee? No. Agents are stealing money from the game. There needs to be major changes. Why is it that clubs cannot fund themselves based on a realistic budget. If we get 8,000 supporters why are we paying expenditure based on 12,000? It is madness. If football got its house in order, we could be profitable. Maybe it's just a pipe dream to be sustainable but so many clubs get stuck chasing the dream. Agree on agents fees and that would easily be eradicated if football clubs were banned from making payments to such third parties. If players then choose to employ an agent they would have to pay them themselves out of their net pay. Massive cuts in wages when injured or suspended is a ridiculous idea and football can’t reasonably be compared to normal jobs in this respect. Do you want to see players avoiding tackles for fear of getting injured or suspended? Wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference tbh. Players wage demands would raise in line with the money that is not given directly to agents and they’d take it from there. I’m also pretty sure that agents often do get a double bubble and a payment from the club and the player already. |
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Post by eric on Feb 21, 2023 20:20:35 GMT
Agree on agents fees and that would easily be eradicated if football clubs were banned from making payments to such third parties. If players then choose to employ an agent they would have to pay them themselves out of their net pay. Massive cuts in wages when injured or suspended is a ridiculous idea and football can’t reasonably be compared to normal jobs in this respect. Do you want to see players avoiding tackles for fear of getting injured or suspended? Wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference tbh. Players wage demands would raise in line with the money that is not given directly to agents and they’d take it from there. I’m also pretty sure that agents often do get a double bubble and a payment from the club and the player already. Making the players pay their agents from their own net pay would sharpen their minds before agreeing stupid deals with agents and see more players taking pay advice from the PFA and using a fixed fee solicitor to manage the contract side. It would slowly lessen the power of agents in the game - they are nothing more than leeches. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 22, 2023 5:58:53 GMT
Enough money to do it? Possibly. Enough money to not get any return on the investment? Doubt it. We've spent 30 years trying to build something which gives a decent ROI, perhaps if we'd just built something we'd be getting a decent ROI now as a Championship side. If the FM is now dead and no alternative is imminent then we could be waiting another decade plus for a new ground, whilst losing £3m a season. Championship side. You wrote that? |
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Post by garystash on Feb 22, 2023 7:03:35 GMT
Chris Brown has kindly clarified his FB post:- "By the way to all those saying on the Gaschat Forum that I've said that Conygar are no longer interested in building a stadium on the FM that's not quite true. Please read my post again - reading the Bristol Live article by James Piercy it's the conclusion I've come to - others may beg to differ which is their perogative."
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Post by DrFaustus on Feb 22, 2023 7:49:28 GMT
Funny how people can read a Facebook post and immediately let that fit their particular agenda.
Especially as everything on that platform must be true etc.
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Post by DrFaustus on Feb 22, 2023 14:15:30 GMT
Personally I don't think we can afford to be choosy with regards stadium location. As long as it's north of the river which the fruit market is il take it. But I get your point further north would be preferable. Personally as a Barton hiller I would say the fruit market is south of the river. Traditionally the feddar is the dividing line. The Netham side was inner North . The old St Philips Marsh was inner south. The fruit market is closer to lower Totterdown ( City ). I do take your point about needing a new ground but I feel a club is reflective of a community and its involvement. I can understand it if we moved to a nuturel rural area but this feels like City soil !. The Feeder isn't the river though. Fruit market is north of the river and whatever spin you care to put on it, that's actual fact. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 22, 2023 14:24:18 GMT
Personally as a Barton hiller I would say the fruit market is south of the river. Traditionally the feddar is the dividing line. The Netham side was inner North . The old St Philips Marsh was inner south. The fruit market is closer to lower Totterdown ( City ). I do take your point about needing a new ground but I feel a club is reflective of a community and its involvement. I can understand it if we moved to a nuturel rural area but this feels like City soil !. The Feeder isn't the river though. Fruit market is north of the river and whatever spin you care to put on it, that's actual fact. Actual fact? On Gaschat? What sort of voodoo is this? |
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Post by aghast on Feb 22, 2023 18:06:08 GMT
Personally as a Barton hiller I would say the fruit market is south of the river. Traditionally the feddar is the dividing line. The Netham side was inner North . The old St Philips Marsh was inner south. The fruit market is closer to lower Totterdown ( City ). I do take your point about needing a new ground but I feel a club is reflective of a community and its involvement. I can understand it if we moved to a nuturel rural area but this feels like City soil !. The Feeder isn't the river though. Fruit market is north of the river and whatever spin you care to put on it, that's actual fact. Barton lovers. Barton haters. Barton Hillers. The man can't be ignored. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 22, 2023 18:35:52 GMT
The Feeder isn't the river though. Fruit market is north of the river and whatever spin you care to put on it, that's actual fact. Barton lovers. Barton haters. Barton Hillers. The man can't be ignored. I knew someone from school who would never say he lived in Barton Hill, he always claimed to live in Redfield. 😃 |
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Now that is one individual who didn't know the truth. 
