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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 13:40:15 GMT
If there is a fruit market there, surely the land cannot be contaminated? Why would it require a 'clean up'? before it was a fruit market is was an old shunting yard for steam loco's so some contamination is possible So....they sell food there, but it's no good for humans to watch a game of football? Am I missing something?
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Post by Marshy on Aug 6, 2019 13:42:54 GMT
If there is a fruit market there, surely the land cannot be contaminated? Why would it require a 'clean up'? before it was a fruit market is was an old shunting yard for Bolders so some contamination is possible Sorted that for you Henbury.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 13:54:11 GMT
Those were my thoughts. Why would a football stadium for Bristol’s ginger step child (in footballing terms) be a key part of an extension of the town centre when something else could be put there that would make waaay more money and also look more aesthetically pleasing. And as you say would a purchaser of luxury flat really want stunning views of the arse end of a football stadium that blocks out most of the visibility from their window? For such a development to make sense for everyone it would need to be multi-purpose and aesthetic AF, which would all push the build cost up. I’m pleased that we have some specific information from Wael for once, but after reading some of the counter views and applying some critical thought I am sceptical that this site will be both affordable and planning permission acceptable. The most likely long term solution to my mind is an out of town development in South Gloucestershire where the land will be cheap(er) and there are no nimbys around to complain. The major stumbling blocks would be the ability and resources to purchase the site and any clean-up required from previous heavy industry usage. I would imagine council will be all over this type of development like a cheap suit though. Inner city urban renewal, enhanced community facilities, sustainable transport options everywhere. Council lap that sh** up. Planning permission will be considerably easier here than at the Mem if you ask me. Is a football stadium desirable in an area where the council would undoubtedly have offers for retail/housing development that would be more attractive in terms of profile and likely income in such an area? I can imagine a football stadium + hotel etc being looked upon favourably in a part of the city where not much is happening and there aren't many local employment opportunities but I'm sure BCC will be able to easily flog off the fruit market land as part of an extension to the city centre. Happy to be corrected but I don't think the neutral public would want a stadium there compared to other stuff that could be built, if only because of the potential for hooligans to go kicking off in this brand spanking new development in the city centre and upset little Ivan and his oligarch father who have bought into the luxury flats bolted onto the side of the stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 13:54:50 GMT
Manky aubergines are the best.x
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Post by gregsy on Aug 6, 2019 13:58:32 GMT
before it was a fruit market is was an old shunting yard for steam loco's so some contamination is possible So....they sell food there, but it's no good for humans to watch a game of football? Am I missing something? It does seem strange doesn't it.... A David and Total produce pretty much supply all the veg for schools, hospitals, nursing homes, pubs and hotels around the west country.... I don't recall ever seeing any delivery's coated in coal dust....
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Post by amgas on Aug 6, 2019 13:59:39 GMT
I think we should not under estimate the desire for Bristol City Council to keep Rovers inside the city boundary. If nothing else because they would not want South Glos Council to have a stadium :-)
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Post by amgas on Aug 6, 2019 14:02:09 GMT
I guess the issue comes when you build something new which has to meet current standards, pretty sure in days gone by they would have just slapped some tarmac on it and all would be fine, now all sorts of rules and regs that have to be met.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 14:03:15 GMT
So....they sell food there, but it's no good for humans to watch a game of football? Am I missing something? It does seem strange doesn't it.... A David and Total produce pretty much supply all the veg for schools, hospitals, nursing homes, pubs and hotels around the west country.... I don't recall ever seeing any delivery's coated in coal dust.... The contamination is in the underlying made up ground. The nature of this ground means contaminating fluids will have found it easy to permeate. This means that when digging for piling and/or foundations all this contamination will be disturbed. it will also make it difficult/costly to dispose of the made ground safely. The current activities at the site are not intrusive to the ground so do not pose any issues.
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Post by tomylil on Aug 6, 2019 14:08:27 GMT
Infrastructure issues mount on an arena mostly due to the amount of people coming from all areas to watch some form of entertainment there. A lot of them drive. That needs more parking space and more road networks to get them there. A football match for a local team is going to be occupied by... Locals. And a few thousand travelling fans at most. Much less hinging on car parking space, for instance. Alongside the stadium will be commercial outlets. Commercial outlets want footfall and traffic and may well be what makes this deal financially viable. That requires a busy location, a city centre location, close to the main train station in the city. In addition, the official capacity may be 20,000 but we are not using that every week, and that gives the infrastructure around the stadium time to be improved with cooperation between the club and the council as the club grows. The council want the regeneration to continue and the club can become a central part of a community built around it. Most travelling away fans will come by train to Temple Meads if we base at the Fruit Market. Considerably easier to them to do than current situation. These are all reasons for why the fruit market site is a viable option and would be good for us and for the council. If all this talk is true, I wouldn't see the planning being the issue. Rather, it would be the cost of cleanup and readying the site for building the stadium that could mount up the bills. Well I see your points but I don't go with them 100% to be honest. Every time I have gone to Cardiff Arena I have caught the train personally. A 20,000 - 25,000 capacity stadium will be judged on exactly that in terms of impact to the available infrastructure, not the likely crowd of 8,000 if we stay in L1. If you live in Kingswood or Lockleaze or Lawrence Weston for example you are likely going to drive or catch 2 buses each way, and most people won't be doing the latter if they can help it. A local in Barton Hill might walk but I reckon most locals in Totterdown Knowle or Briz if they are interested in the game are teds. If everybody could catch a train then fine, but unless you're Patchway, Filton folk and able to walk a mile each way at the other end that's not an option. Henbury Gas could get the No1 easy though ! I had a drink in North Street last year when that lot was at home and it was chaos with a 20,000 gate. The Bath Road and Temple Meads is always a nightmare, and a stadium at the fruitmarket will just compound that and create far more issues than Lansdown's folly imo. Agree with you about site cleanup of the larger area around Albert Road
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Post by gasbath on Aug 6, 2019 14:09:58 GMT
This is the bit for me. In this day and age, should we really be looking to build a new stadium in the City? The Council are doing everything they can to discourage people from driving into the city. It won't be long before there is something like a congestion charge, as in London. Even talk on this thread is about parking, and how to get there. The public transport infrastructure is truly dire in Bristol. An out of town site would be cheaper, more environmentally friendly, and it really is the way we should be going. nobby, why do you think an out of town site would be more environmentally friendly? Cheaper for sure, but surely building work, exhaust fumes and transport to the stadium in general would pollute the atmosphere just as much at an out of town stadium as an inner city one, in fact more so due to the fact a larger percentage of supporters would use cars instead of public transport? There's also the fact that the site is already industrialised and so building on it would not have a detrimental impact on the ecology etc as it will have been already been shafted during the original industrialisation of the area. I think it would be a far better option than out of town greenfield site
a isore ugly nineteen hundreds brownfield site next to arena site to be developed with private money to assist the council with redevelopment
transport links in place road/rail
with modern architectural technics could look fantastic certainly better than tall office blocks
assisted by automatic footfall for retail/pubs/eateries/hotels
not a residential area to upset locals
a lot of industry moving out of town for better access to ring road/motorways modern buildings etc...
bloody hell I've gone and sold it to myself
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Post by tomylil on Aug 6, 2019 14:10:28 GMT
before it was a fruit market is was an old shunting yard for steam loco's so some contamination is possible So....they sell food there, but it's no good for humans to watch a game of football? Am I missing something? Not just the fruitmarket itself. A poster was talking about a larger potential scheme that would include surrounding land/businesses. Lots of reclamation waste disposal in the immediate vicinity that was previously industrial so a fair bit of cleanup
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Post by gas2 on Aug 6, 2019 14:12:38 GMT
Infrastructure issues mount on an arena mostly due to the amount of people coming from all areas to watch some form of entertainment there. A lot of them drive. That needs more parking space and more road networks to get them there. A football match for a local team is going to be occupied by... Locals. And a few thousand travelling fans at most. Much less hinging on car parking space, for instance. Alongside the stadium will be commercial outlets. Commercial outlets want footfall and traffic and may well be what makes this deal financially viable. That requires a busy location, a city centre location, close to the main train station in the city. In addition, the official capacity may be 20,000 but we are not using that every week, and that gives the infrastructure around the stadium time to be improved with cooperation between the club and the council as the club grows. The council want the regeneration to continue and the club can become a central part of a community built around it. Most travelling away fans will come by train to Temple Meads if we base at the Fruit Market. Considerably easier to them to do than current situation. These are all reasons for why the fruit market site is a viable option and would be good for us and for the council. If all this talk is true, I wouldn't see the planning being the issue. Rather, it would be the cost of cleanup and readying the site for building the stadium that could mount up the bills. If there is a fruit market there, surely the land cannot be contaminated? Why would it require a 'clean up'?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 6, 2019 14:13:13 GMT
Infrastructure issues mount on an arena mostly due to the amount of people coming from all areas to watch some form of entertainment there. A lot of them drive. That needs more parking space and more road networks to get them there. A football match for a local team is going to be occupied by... Locals. And a few thousand travelling fans at most. Much less hinging on car parking space, for instance. Alongside the stadium will be commercial outlets. Commercial outlets want footfall and traffic and may well be what makes this deal financially viable. That requires a busy location, a city centre location, close to the main train station in the city. In addition, the official capacity may be 20,000 but we are not using that every week, and that gives the infrastructure around the stadium time to be improved with cooperation between the club and the council as the club grows. The council want the regeneration to continue and the club can become a central part of a community built around it. Most travelling away fans will come by train to Temple Meads if we base at the Fruit Market. Considerably easier to them to do than current situation. These are all reasons for why the fruit market site is a viable option and would be good for us and for the council. If all this talk is true, I wouldn't see the planning being the issue. Rather, it would be the cost of cleanup and readying the site for building the stadium that could mount up the bills. Well I see your points but I don't go with them 100% to be honest. Every time I have gone to Cardiff Arena I have caught the train personally. A 20,000 - 25,000 capacity stadium will be judged on exactly that in terms of impact to the available infrastructure, not the likely crowd of 8,000 if we stay in L1. If you live in Kingswood or Lockleaze or Lawrence Weston for example you are likely going to drive or catch 2 buses each way, and most people won't be doing the latter if they can help it. A local in Barton Hill might walk but I reckon most locals in Totterdown Knowle or Briz if they are interested in the game are teds. If everybody could catch a train then fine, but unless you're Patchway, Filton folk and able to walk a mile each way at the other end that's not an option. Henbury Gas could get the No1 easy though !I had a drink in North Street last year when that lot was at home and it was chaos with a 20,000 gate. The Bath Road and Temple Meads is always a nightmare, and a stadium at the fruitmarket will just compound that and create far more issues than Lansdown's folly imo. Agree with you about site cleanup of the larger area around Albert Road i will refrain from using my bus pass and use the high speed Sprinter on the Henbury Loop line (spur) to Temple meads at a cost of £3 return
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Post by gas2 on Aug 6, 2019 14:16:57 GMT
I was told by someone who worked near the cats home that if the arena was built at arena island they were going around local unit owners to try and buy up sites to build a multi story car park providing the unit owners would sell up
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Post by tomylil on Aug 6, 2019 14:21:39 GMT
nobby, why do you think an out of town site would be more environmentally friendly? Cheaper for sure, but surely building work, exhaust fumes and transport to the stadium in general would pollute the atmosphere just as much at an out of town stadium as an inner city one, in fact more so due to the fact a larger percentage of supporters would use cars instead of public transport? There's also the fact that the site is already industrialised and so building on it would not have a detrimental impact on the ecology etc as it will have been already been shafted during the original industrialisation of the area. I think it would be a far better option than out of town greenfield site
a isore ugly nineteen hundreds brownfield site next to arena site to be developed with private money to assist the council with redevelopment
transport links in place road/rail
with modern architectural technics could look fantastic certainly better than tall office blocks
assisted by automatic footfall for retail/pubs/eateries/hotels
not a residential area to upset locals
a lot of industry moving out of town for better access to ring road/motorways modern buildings etc...
bloody hell I've gone and sold it to myself
I would suggest that we are at saturation point in terms of eateries, retail and pubs. Those places rely upon constant footfall and unlike Cribbs the road infrastructure is terrible, and I cannot personally see people getting the train to then walk a mile to go for a beer, meal or a spot of retail therapy. What is happening with the arena site incidentally ? That would surely happen first as it is nearest to Temple Quarter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 14:31:06 GMT
I was told by someone who worked near the cats home that if the arena was built at arena island they were going around local unit owners to try and buy up sites to build a multi story car park providing the unit owners would sell up Baggins will take in all the Staffies and Pitbulls. i suspect they will just drown the cats.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 14:45:27 GMT
The latest form the BP: www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-fruit-market-shareholder-responds-3179602One of the major shareholders of the Bristol wholesale fruit market has denied the inner city site is set to be sold to Bristol Rovers to develop into a new stadium. Rovers president Wael Al-Qadi spoke to BBC Radio Bristol 45 minutes before kick-off at Bloomfield Road on Saturday and stated a number of locations are being considered to build a new football stadium but the area in central Bristol just north of the River Avon, between Arnos Vale and Saint Philip's, was the club's No1 option. Bristol Rovers fans have been craving a new stadium for more than a decade, having played at the Mem since 1996, and delivering a ground was one of the promises Al-Qadi made when his family purchased the club in February 2016. What Wael Al-Qadi has said about Bristol Rovers' new stadium and what has actually happened Mr Al-Qadi said: "We have identified one site, along with others, we are very interested in. We have options but one of the sites is the site at the fruit market - we are very interested in that site." In the same interview he confirmed the club are still "hoping" to have the new stadium built within the next two years. He said: "Two years to go from now that is still hopefully our aim and our target." The fruit market is owned by Total Produce, Fresca Group, Arthur David & Company and remains listed as so in the Land Registry. Total Produce regional director Nick Matthews discussed the latest developments on BBC Radio Bristol on Tuesday morning following the comments from the Rovers president. Mr Matthews said: "It was a bit of a surprise to me as well to be honest. "The only reason I responded to the tweet put out by BBC Radio Bristol was to put people right. "We have offers for the fruit market on a regular basis, we had one recently but on behalf of Total Produce we declined the offer.
"We are not the only shareholder but we are a major shareholder in the market. Our view on things is we are happy where we are. We have got no desire to move. We have got no need to move.However Mr Matthews did not close the door on the possibility of the fruit market site in St Phillips Marsh being sold altogether but he made it clear it was unlikely. He said: "The site where we are works for us currently so unless someone comes along and makes us and offer we can't refuse we will be sticking where we are." One thing Mr Matthews was adamant about was the two year time line to have a stadium built at the fruit market site set out by Mr Al-Qadi is unrealistic. Mr Matthews said: "With several shareholders involved it could take two to three years to find the right place to move to and then build a new fruit market, and then only when we have moved to a new fruit market and left the old one empty could somebody demolish it and even start to think about building a new stadium. "To say they are going to be on our site in two years is fantasy really.Somebody really does appear to be a fantasist.
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Post by tomylil on Aug 6, 2019 14:50:43 GMT
The latest form the BP: www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-fruit-market-shareholder-responds-3179602One of the major shareholders of the Bristol wholesale fruit market has denied the inner city site is set to be sold to Bristol Rovers to develop into a new stadium. Rovers president Wael Al-Qadi spoke to BBC Radio Bristol 45 minutes before kick-off at Bloomfield Road on Saturday and stated a number of locations are being considered to build a new football stadium but the area in central Bristol just north of the River Avon, between Arnos Vale and Saint Philip's, was the club's No1 option. Bristol Rovers fans have been craving a new stadium for more than a decade, having played at the Mem since 1996, and delivering a ground was one of the promises Al-Qadi made when his family purchased the club in February 2016. What Wael Al-Qadi has said about Bristol Rovers' new stadium and what has actually happened Mr Al-Qadi said: "We have identified one site, along with others, we are very interested in. We have options but one of the sites is the site at the fruit market - we are very interested in that site." In the same interview he confirmed the club are still "hoping" to have the new stadium built within the next two years. He said: "Two years to go from now that is still hopefully our aim and our target." The fruit market is owned by Total Produce, Fresca Group, Arthur David & Company and remains listed as so in the Land Registry. Total Produce regional director Nick Matthews discussed the latest developments on BBC Radio Bristol on Tuesday morning following the comments from the Rovers president. Mr Matthews said: "It was a bit of a surprise to me as well to be honest. "The only reason I responded to the tweet put out by BBC Radio Bristol was to put people right. "We have offers for the fruit market on a regular basis, we had one recently but on behalf of Total Produce we declined the offer.
"We are not the only shareholder but we are a major shareholder in the market. Our view on things is we are happy where we are. We have got no desire to move. We have got no need to move.However Mr Matthews did not close the door on the possibility of the fruit market site in St Phillips Marsh being sold altogether but he made it clear it was unlikely. He said: "The site where we are works for us currently so unless someone comes along and makes us and offer we can't refuse we will be sticking where we are." One thing Mr Matthews was adamant about was the two year time line to have a stadium built at the fruit market site set out by Mr Al-Qadi is unrealistic. Mr Matthews said: "With several shareholders involved it could take two to three years to find the right place to move to and then build a new fruit market, and then only when we have moved to a new fruit market and left the old one empty could somebody demolish it and even start to think about building a new stadium. "To say they are going to be on our site in two years is fantasy really.Somebody really does appear to be a fantasist. Could be a negotiating ploy but odd for Matthews to come out with those comments if some meaningful discussions have taken place which is the inference. I've only ever been there on a Sunday, who uses the market Monday - Saturday is it grocers and restaurants ? If so, most restaurants are central so they won't want to be shunted to the outskirts of Bristol.
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Post by lpgas on Aug 6, 2019 15:20:51 GMT
If there is a fruit market there, surely the land cannot be contaminated? Why would it require a 'clean up'? before it was a fruit market is was an old shunting yard for steam loco's so some contamination is possible You could get some sooty looking grass
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Post by lpgas on Aug 6, 2019 15:22:15 GMT
Personally I don't give a fig where a new ground is as long as we get one before I pop my clogs. It wouldn't even bother me if it was in Ashton Vale
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