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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 9, 2023 13:11:41 GMT
For me, the best option as a fan would be a revamped Mem - a basic South and West, keep the North Terrace, and a mega grandstand on the East. But it's not commercially viable and the Mem is in an awful location traffic wise even if the run of pubs up to the ground are brilliant. My only concern about the FM, other than whether it'll happen (this being Rovers after all) is that we'd be selling the club's only real asset for a lease of a new ground. I do find it quite funny though that BCC were so rapidly anti-arena in St Phillips but now want a stadium there, but that's Marvin Rees for you. Didn't BCC have to fund the Arena build themselves then, I assume, meet any annual losses once it was built? Passing it over to a private organisation seems a good move for council tax payers. |
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Post by banjoflyer on Apr 9, 2023 13:14:28 GMT
You will never site a stadium that suits all fans or other parties - but the FM sure beats an out of town bowl at Avonmouth or somewhere similar.
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Post by bathtubpirate on Apr 9, 2023 13:15:33 GMT
Where has it been said that it will be a leasehold? Conygar would presumably own the land would they not? Considering Wael seems very keen to mention the long term success of the club when the new stadium is mentioned, and the previous rejection of the UWE deal, it suggests to me a simple lease agreement would not be acceptable to him. |
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Post by perryfenwick on Apr 9, 2023 13:20:28 GMT
For me, the best option as a fan would be a revamped Mem - a basic South and West, keep the North Terrace, and a mega grandstand on the East. But it's not commercially viable and the Mem is in an awful location traffic wise even if the run of pubs up to the ground are brilliant. My only concern about the FM, other than whether it'll happen (this being Rovers after all) is that we'd be selling the club's only real asset for a lease of a new ground. I do find it quite funny though that BCC were so rapidly anti-arena in St Phillips but now want a stadium there, but that's Marvin Rees for you. Didn't BCC have to fund the Arena build themselves then, I assume, meet any annual losses once it was built? Passing it over to a private organisation seems a good move for council tax payers. No disagreement there but then a lot of their reasoning for it wasn't just that, it was about traffic etc. Not Rovers' problem of course but it cuts a few holes in BCC's given reasoning at the time. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 9, 2023 13:21:05 GMT
For me, the best option as a fan would be a revamped Mem - a basic South and West, keep the North Terrace, and a mega grandstand on the East. But it's not commercially viable and the Mem is in an awful location traffic wise even if the run of pubs up to the ground are brilliant. My only concern about the FM, other than whether it'll happen (this being Rovers after all) is that we'd be selling the club's only real asset for a lease of a new ground. I do find it quite funny though that BCC were so rapidly anti-arena in St Phillips but now want a stadium there, but that's Marvin Rees for you. Leasing a stadium not owned by Rovers (qv Coventry) or leasehold of the land, similar to the UWE? |
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Post by perryfenwick on Apr 9, 2023 13:28:05 GMT
Conygar would presumably own the land would they not? Considering Wael seems very keen to mention the long term success of the club when the new stadium is mentioned, and the previous rejection of the UWE deal, it suggests to me a simple lease agreement would not be acceptable to him. Maybe? I'm certainly not trying to knock him personally for that - I'm getting enough rocks on another thread for mild critique. I'm guessing that if you get say £20-25m for the Mem, that doesn't go too far in terms of buying the land and then building the stadium. But maybe Conygar sell it to us? |
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Post by rossinio on Apr 9, 2023 13:55:04 GMT
Apologies if this has already been asked and answered somewhere in the 700 pages…
I was just wondering if the 2002 suggestion of a joint Rovers/City/Rugby stadium at the FM site ever got as far as drawings or plans?
From memory it was for a 40,000 stadium (possibly with a smaller stadium for the Rugby club as an annexe?).
Obviously this wasn’t taking into account the current plans for housing etc so i know the footprint would be different but it would be intereting to see.
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Post by gas2 on Apr 9, 2023 14:17:56 GMT
Apologies if this has already been asked and answered somewhere in the 700 pages… I was just wondering if the 2002 suggestion of a joint Rovers/City/Rugby stadium at the FM site ever got as far as drawings or plans? From memory it was for a 40,000 stadium (possibly with a smaller stadium for the Rugby club as an annexe?). Obviously this wasn’t taking into account the current plans for housing etc so i know the footprint would be different but it would be intereting to see. That plan was for hengrove park and severnside |
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Post by gas2 on Apr 9, 2023 14:25:06 GMT
I thought b c c owned the land where the fruit market is located ?
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Apr 9, 2023 14:50:59 GMT
I thought b c c owned the land where the fruit market is located ? On one of the documents issued a while ago it was categorised as "land owned by others". BCC owned land was identified separately. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 9, 2023 15:07:21 GMT
I thought b c c owned the land where the fruit market is located ? If that's the case somebody had better tell Congyer asap as they've just agreed to hand the FM nearly £500K just for a 12 months option on the site! |
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Post by albaron on Apr 9, 2023 15:36:51 GMT
In fairness, I've planned a Bus Route to Temple Meads. 20 Minute Walk to the nearest Bus Stop, Bus into Queen Square, then another Bus to Temple Meads. Even if a Bus was waiting for me at each stop and we left the second I stepped aboard, that's an hour's journey, and the chances of that being the case is zero. So as it stands I'm looking at an hour and a half journey at best. And then I need to do exactly the same to get home. 3 hours travel? I guess it's not too bad getting home at 6.30 - 7pm on a Saturday (as opposed to currently getting home at 5.15pm), but getting home 11.30 - 12pm on a weekday evening game? I don't think so. And where are these extra buses coming from? Just interested. Sorry But I cannot believe why anybody living in Bristol would moan about travelling to watch the Rovers. I'm coming up 70 and my fortnightly trip to the Mem starts with me walking for 50 mins to the train station. Then nearly an hour on the train to TM. Then a 20 minute bus ride from TM to Horfield. Coming back I get a bus from Horfield to the centre then walk through Queens Square to TM ( 20 to 25 Mins walk ) then catch train . Walk for another 50 mins and arrive home for about 8pm. I say if you want to watch the Rovers you'll do it. |
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Post by baggins on Apr 9, 2023 16:29:39 GMT
In fairness, I've planned a Bus Route to Temple Meads. 20 Minute Walk to the nearest Bus Stop, Bus into Queen Square, then another Bus to Temple Meads. Even if a Bus was waiting for me at each stop and we left the second I stepped aboard, that's an hour's journey, and the chances of that being the case is zero. So as it stands I'm looking at an hour and a half journey at best. And then I need to do exactly the same to get home. 3 hours travel? I guess it's not too bad getting home at 6.30 - 7pm on a Saturday (as opposed to currently getting home at 5.15pm), but getting home 11.30 - 12pm on a weekday evening game? I don't think so. And where are these extra buses coming from? Just interested. Sorry But I cannot believe why anybody living in Bristol would moan about travelling to watch the Rovers. I'm coming up 70 and my fortnightly trip to the Mem starts with me walking for 50 mins to the train station. Then nearly an hour on the train to TM. Then a 20 minute bus ride from TM to Horfield. Coming back I get a bus from Horfield to the centre then walk through Queens Square to TM ( 20 to 25 Mins walk ) then catch train . Walk for another 50 mins and arrive home for about 8pm. I say if you want to watch the Rovers you'll do it. Good for you. Try making that journey when you find it difficult to walk, to get about, can't stand in one place for long without leg and back pain, and when you're 88 years old. So don't ever talk to me about moaning about getting to the Rovers. |
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Post by playtowin on Apr 9, 2023 16:58:28 GMT
The tract of land between muller and Gloucester rd was always the sporting zone for the city. Rugby,Cricket and football. Trashton was the odd one out. Now Lansdown is trying to make Traston area the home of Bristol sport leaving Rovers the odd ones out. Envy ? Control freak ? Unknown revenge...who knows why. Wouldnt surprise me if he built a cricket ground for Somerset to play some games at nearby. Where a club play in your childhood and young adult years always will seem the best i guess. Those who went to Twerton in those years will hold that dear im sure. A new stadium location will always not appeal to some. I remember the first season at the Mem and thinking i dont like this place at all. It doesnt feel right in any way...but you get used to it and it grows on you until eventually it feels like home. The big issue for a lot of fans is how we get there easily and cheaply. Same thoughts fans had for eastville, twerton and the Mem no doubt. You can bet your bottom dollar if the mem had been rebuilt to a 18000 stadium residents parking only zones would pop up pretty soon. Change is scary ,we do adapt though. There are loads of trading estates around st phillips that no doubt will welcome making money on their parking spaces.plenty of street parking the otherside of the river as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2023 17:01:28 GMT
Sorry But I cannot believe why anybody living in Bristol would moan about travelling to watch the Rovers. I'm coming up 70 and my fortnightly trip to the Mem starts with me walking for 50 mins to the train station. Then nearly an hour on the train to TM. Then a 20 minute bus ride from TM to Horfield. Coming back I get a bus from Horfield to the centre then walk through Queens Square to TM ( 20 to 25 Mins walk ) then catch train . Walk for another 50 mins and arrive home for about 8pm. I say if you want to watch the Rovers you'll do it. Good for you. Try making that journey when you find it difficult to walk, to get about, can't stand in one place for long without leg and back pain, and when you're 88 years old. So don't ever talk to me about moaning about getting to the Rovers. I sympathise with the situation you and your father may face Bags. However for Rovers to progress, survive, thrive, compete, grow and mature, we need a move. It will suit some, it won’t suit others. The sad fact is younger people will make the effort and get there. Perhaps the disabled supporters group can extend help to the elderly? Does their work include transport to and from games? If not maybe it should. |
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Post by baggins on Apr 9, 2023 17:04:52 GMT
Good for you. Try making that journey when you find it difficult to walk, to get about, can't stand in one place for long without leg and back pain, and when you're 88 years old. So don't ever talk to me about moaning about getting to the Rovers. I sympathise with the situation you and your father may face Bags. However for Rovers to progress, survive, thrive, compete, grow and mature, we need a move. It will suit some, it won’t suit others. The sad fact is younger people will make the effort and get there. Perhaps the disabled supporters group can extend help to the elderly? Does their work include transport to and from games? If not maybe it should. Oh we'll survive, personal battery powered jet packs will be available to all by then anyway (not that I'd trust him behind the joystick of one of them, he'd end up in Yate). |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 9, 2023 17:06:08 GMT
Sorry But I cannot believe why anybody living in Bristol would moan about travelling to watch the Rovers. I'm coming up 70 and my fortnightly trip to the Mem starts with me walking for 50 mins to the train station. Then nearly an hour on the train to TM. Then a 20 minute bus ride from TM to Horfield. Coming back I get a bus from Horfield to the centre then walk through Queens Square to TM ( 20 to 25 Mins walk ) then catch train . Walk for another 50 mins and arrive home for about 8pm. I say if you want to watch the Rovers you'll do it. Good for you. Try making that journey when you find it difficult to walk, to get about, can't stand in one place for long without leg and back pain, and when you're 88 years old. So don't ever talk to me about moaning about getting to the Rovers. By the time the stadium is built ( 5 yrs minimum?) , anyone aged 93 would be doing bloody well to attend any football match anywhere. Albaron trip every home game is laudable. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 9, 2023 17:07:47 GMT
Sorry But I cannot believe why anybody living in Bristol would moan about travelling to watch the Rovers. I'm coming up 70 and my fortnightly trip to the Mem starts with me walking for 50 mins to the train station. Then nearly an hour on the train to TM. Then a 20 minute bus ride from TM to Horfield. Coming back I get a bus from Horfield to the centre then walk through Queens Square to TM ( 20 to 25 Mins walk ) then catch train . Walk for another 50 mins and arrive home for about 8pm. I say if you want to watch the Rovers you'll do it. Good for you. Try making that journey when you find it difficult to walk, to get about, can't stand in one place for long without leg and back pain, and when you're 88 years old. So don't ever talk to me about moaning about getting to the Rovers. Not everyone can appreciate the difficulties, Bags. I was only speaking with an election canvaser recently, wheelchair users need more than a few drop curbs. Bet they forget our conversation soon enough. Hoping the new stand and new stadium have much better facilities as I still haven't been able to take my son to a Rovers game. |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 9, 2023 17:11:00 GMT
Good for you. Try making that journey when you find it difficult to walk, to get about, can't stand in one place for long without leg and back pain, and when you're 88 years old. So don't ever talk to me about moaning about getting to the Rovers. Not everyone can appreciate the difficulties, Bags. I was only speaking with an election canvaser recently, wheelchair users need more than a few drop curbs. Bet they forget our conversation soon enough. Hoping the new stand and new stadium have much better facilities as I still haven't been able to take my son to a Rovers game. Isn’t this new south stand going to have more accessible seats ? Hopefully you’ll be able to go with your son and suffer like the rest of us ! 😂👍 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 9, 2023 17:19:50 GMT
Not everyone can appreciate the difficulties, Bags. I was only speaking with an election canvaser recently, wheelchair users need more than a few drop curbs. Bet they forget our conversation soon enough. Hoping the new stand and new stadium have much better facilities as I still haven't been able to take my son to a Rovers game. Isn’t this new south stand going to have more accessible seats ? Hopefully you’ll be able to go with your son and suffer like the rest of us ! 😂👍 Yep, I read that with interest so hopefully. Mind you, according to Swiss on the other forum Wael is being badly advised and making promises he can't keep. 🙈 |
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