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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 12, 2023 10:45:26 GMT
There is a very, very tiny part of me that thinks some of our fans deserved Higgs to remain and for us to linger around for a couple of years living off payday loans before we followed Bury. I’m as gutted as everyone with our inability to secure a new ground in a new location but I recognise it isn’t easy and I’m 100% convinced Wael will have been doing his best and never doing anything that me be detrimental to our long term future. As a club are we in a better place now than when Wael arrived? - massively imo. Imagine if folk "doing their best" was used in other jobs... Yeah, my father died the other day because of a massive surgical cock up - Can't moan, the surgeon tried his best. My wife suffers from depression and often uses that phrase when having one of her breakdowns so it has a particular poignancy to me. You don't have a monopoly on being disappointed by this news and I'm a gutted as the next fan, but please try and keep things in perspective.
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 12, 2023 10:46:09 GMT
Imagine if folk "doing their best" was used in other jobs... Yeah, my father died the other day because of a massive surgical cock up - Can't moan, the surgeon tried his best. It’s not Waels job though is it. He’s funding the club from his day to day job. Without Wael doing his best we’d be lucky to have a club. Before he came we were saddled with debt. Wael has invested in training facilities, more development in the stadium than at any other point in our time there as full owners (no matter how modest it may seem). Possibly our strongest squad in over 20 years at L1 level. There's no one in a position of power that he didn't put there. Expectations at Rovers are on the floor, man knocks through a couple of bars and builds a set up on a par with Frys and he's the messiah. The sh*t being served up for Gasheads to eat is still sh*t, it just has hundreds and thousands on.
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Post by albaron on Sept 12, 2023 10:47:31 GMT
And that will probably allow us to watch lower league football ( if we're lucky ) for the rest of our lives. No wonder we will always be the 2nd team in Bristol with that type of ambition. If you could swap the ups and downs of the lower leagues we have had in recent years, for consistently sitting in the Championship not doing much, what would you go for? All I am saying, is that watching the Gas at the Mem in League One, its not so bad; so long as incremental improvements happen at the ground to improve the match day experience where needed. Getting a new stadium isn't the be all and end all for some.. Watching Championship football all day long. I've been lucky enough to see Rovers play in the same division as Tottenham ,Wolves, Liverpool, Manchester United & City and Leeds United in my lifetime supporting Rovers. I've also seen Dartford, Dover, Bracknell & Yeovil. I know which teams I'd sooner be watching Rovers play.
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Sept 12, 2023 10:47:37 GMT
And the rest....yet all this time we could've been discussing how flat the earth is
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Post by Nortongashead on Sept 12, 2023 10:51:26 GMT
Wael doesn't deserve the level of disrespect he gets. Personally don't think the FM is dead in the water its probably at a crucial stage of financial negotiation and we are trying to get some leverage using media outlets to get a better position. The new shareholders are experts in this field hence why Wael has got them on board to try and get a stadium over the line. Until the club make a statement saying its off and are exploring other options I still believe it has a chance. Playing devils advocate have we found a better option?
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Post by justin blue on Sept 12, 2023 10:51:37 GMT
There is a very, very tiny part of me that thinks some of our fans deserved Higgs to remain and for us to linger around for a couple of years living off payday loans before we followed Bury. I’m as gutted as everyone with our inability to secure a new ground in a new location but I recognise it isn’t easy and I’m 100% convinced Wael will have been doing his best and never doing anything that me be detrimental to our long term future. As a club are we in a better place now than when Wael arrived? - massively imo. Are we really though without going into the Monty Python what have the Romans done sketch. When Weal arrived we had just gained promotion with a side that could have with a little investment reached the next level. We were broke, but then we always had been could we have got our financial difficulties who knows. The thing about this club is that it seems to thrive in adversity. I’m not going to say we have to stick with Weal or the new owner regardless. I think this club will survive whatever.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Sept 12, 2023 10:55:07 GMT
The club bought houses in the past at the Alton Rd end of the ground but sold them once we had pp for the UWE/Sainsbury's, given they were probably getting a decent rental income I'm not sure why we rushed to sell them until we had the Sainsbury's money in the bank, likewise why we didn't refresh the pp for the redeveloped Mem. Did the club own them, or was it the former directors? I thought possibly the latter? You are correct
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Post by pirate on Sept 12, 2023 10:56:39 GMT
Wael doesn't deserve the level of disrespect he gets. Personally don't think the FM is dead in the water its probably at a crucial stage of financial negotiation and we are trying to get some leverage using media outlets to get a better position. The new shareholders are experts in this field hence why Wael has got them on board to try and get a stadium over the line. Until the club make a statement saying its off and are exploring other options I still believe it has a chance. Playing devils advocate have we found a better option? What proof and evidence do you have that "the new shareholders are experts in this field"?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 12, 2023 11:00:59 GMT
It’s not Waels job though is it. He’s funding the club from his day to day job. Without Wael doing his best we’d be lucky to have a club. Before he came we were saddled with debt. Wael has invested in training facilities, more development in the stadium than at any other point in our time there as full owners (no matter how modest it may seem). Possibly our strongest squad in over 20 years at L1 level. There's no one in a position of power that he didn't put there. Expectations at Rovers are on the floor, man knocks through a couple of bars and builds a set up on a par with Frys and he's the messiah. The sh*t being served up for Gasheads to eat is still sh*t, it just has hundreds and thousands on. The south stand is a bit more than “knocking through a couple of bars”
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 12, 2023 11:05:42 GMT
There's no one in a position of power that he didn't put there. Expectations at Rovers are on the floor, man knocks through a couple of bars and builds a set up on a par with Frys and he's the messiah. The sh*t being served up for Gasheads to eat is still sh*t, it just has hundreds and thousands on. The south stand is a bit more than “knocking through a couple of bars” Is this the stand that they sold season tickets for, without planning permission that isn't built as we hurtle towards October, temporary and wasn't considered during the previous 7 years of ownership? Like I said, hundreds and thousands.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Sept 12, 2023 11:08:35 GMT
Be happy to see Gorringe gone. Wouldn’t trust a word that comes out of his mouth, and if he isn’t responsible for the absolute debacle of the last few months who is? I suppose he’s only doing his masters bidding though. I doubt Tom G makes the call on a Stadium being built to be fair..this is Wael and Hussain decision I would have thought. Because conygar had no intention of this happening is another, more likely, scenario.
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Post by singupgas on Sept 12, 2023 11:10:33 GMT
I doubt Tom G makes the call on a Stadium being built to be fair..this is Wael and Hussain decision I would have thought. Because conygar had no intention of this happening is another, more likely, scenario. Had no intention of a Stadium ever being built? So are we now blaming Conygar for never really wanting it, but also Wael/Hussain for failing to deliver it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 11:11:19 GMT
Given the total nonsense we have seen over the last six months - has all been listed on here before, I am not surprised in any way that this may have collapsed.
Just when it feels like we are making some progress up the ladder we come across snake after snake and end up lower down and further away from decent facilities than we have been in years.
If you attend the Mem you will now what a shithole it is .... the match day experience is pathetic and it's getting worse and that's before the team have entered the pitch. We accept it though. There aren't enough people within the club who are either skilled at what they do or actually care about their standards.... I can name maybe two who impress and the rest are appalling, the result of awful hiring by the in house HR team looking to do everything on the cheap and poor examples and standrads set by their bosses.
I think we are at a crossroads as a club now .... One way is a genuine new owner and proper investment strategy that just might see something come to pass in the next six years . The other way will see us stay in L2/L1 certainly for the rest of my lifetime and potentially beyond.
I don't see Wael as the answer - lovely guy but not the massive financial clout we had hoped for (although he is certainly better than Higgs and his cronies who continue to feed from the trough on match days in their hospitality box)- and he has kept us alive albeit on a life support machine of his bank account for the last few years. The new owners wont be around too long if they don't see value - I am assuming they didn't come in on the back of promises at the Fruit Bowl and if rumour is to be believed that they got up and walked out of a meeting with the developers, their exit could come sooner rather than later. In their short tenure they have seen us phuck up on a grand scale twice and now lose out on our future potential home.
Equally wont be surprised to see Barton and his entourage up and go at some point this season - again he must be shaking his head at what is going on, the only consolation is there wont be too many clubs who fancy his style of leadership or his track record in L1.
Sadly the club treat the fans with an almost air of contempt - here we go again with the policy of 'We will tell you what we want , when we want and how we want'
All that said - If the deal was not right for the club then we are correct to walk away - crap geographic venue anyway BUT that's two deals where we were leasing the ground and we expected to call the shots - Never going to happen that way is it.
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Post by Nortongashead on Sept 12, 2023 11:13:59 GMT
Wael doesn't deserve the level of disrespect he gets. Personally don't think the FM is dead in the water its probably at a crucial stage of financial negotiation and we are trying to get some leverage using media outlets to get a better position. The new shareholders are experts in this field hence why Wael has got them on board to try and get a stadium over the line. Until the club make a statement saying its off and are exploring other options I still believe it has a chance. Playing devils advocate have we found a better option? What proof and evidence do you have that "the new shareholders are experts in this field"? Being head of a corporate bank should give expertise in financial deals/negotiation as well as access to a wealth of individuals in the field of finance. Its about money right?
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Post by pirate on Sept 12, 2023 11:20:54 GMT
What proof and evidence do you have that "the new shareholders are experts in this field"? Being head of a corporate bank should give expertise in financial deals/negotiation as well as access to a wealth of individuals in the field of finance. Its about money right? We don't have any evidence of expertise in anything. Since they have been involved directly or indirectly all we have had is the new stand shambles, the embarrassing JCH deal farce and now this new stadium situation.
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 12, 2023 11:25:19 GMT
Being head of a corporate bank should give expertise in financial deals/negotiation as well as access to a wealth of individuals in the field of finance. Its about money right? We don't have any evidence of expertise in anything. Since they have been involved directly or indirectly all we have had is the new stand shambles, the embarrassing JCH deal farce and now this new stadium situation. Really unfair to point out the club being absolutely useless. Quite disrespectful in fact.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 12, 2023 11:31:55 GMT
The south stand is a bit more than “knocking through a couple of bars” Is this the stand that they sold season tickets for, without planning permission that isn't built as we hurtle towards October, temporary and wasn't considered during the previous 7 years of ownership? Like I said, hundreds and thousands. That’s all management rather than ownership and I’m at the point where I’m fed up defending the management. The investment is there, though, from our owners. Even if our management couldn’t organise a water up in a brewery but would probably put their selves forward for some wanky award still.
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Post by singupgas on Sept 12, 2023 11:32:36 GMT
We don't have any evidence of expertise in anything. Since they have been involved directly or indirectly all we have had is the new stand shambles, the embarrassing JCH deal farce and now this new stadium situation. Really unfair to point out the club being absolutely useless. Quite disrespectful in fact. I don't think anyone is debating whether you have an opinion that the decision making being really quite poor. Its disrespectful calling someone Wally.
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 12, 2023 11:33:44 GMT
Is this the stand that they sold season tickets for, without planning permission that isn't built as we hurtle towards October, temporary and wasn't considered during the previous 7 years of ownership? Like I said, hundreds and thousands. That’s all management rather than ownership and I’m at the point where I’m fed up defending the management. The investment is there, though, from our owners. Even if our management couldn’t organise a water up in a brewery but would probably put their selves forward for some wanky award still. Who appointed the management?
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Post by eric on Sept 12, 2023 11:34:05 GMT
Given the total nonsense we have seen over the last six months - has all been listed on here before, I am not surprised in any way that this may have collapsed. Just when it feels like we are making some progress up the ladder we come across snake after snake and end up lower down and further away from decent facilities than we have been in years. If you attend the Mem you will now what a shithole it is .... the match day experience is pathetic and it's getting worse and that's before the team have entered the pitch. We accept it though. There aren't enough people within the club who are either skilled at what they do or actually care about their standards.... I can name maybe two who impress and the rest are appalling, the result of awful hiring by the in house HR team looking to do everything on the cheap and poor examples and standrads set by their bosses. I think we are at a crossroads as a club now .... One way is a genuine new owner and proper investment strategy that just might see something come to pass in the next six years . The other way will see us stay in L2/L1 certainly for the rest of my lifetime and potentially beyond. I don't see Wael as the answer - lovely guy but not the massive financial clout we had hoped for (although he is certainly better than Higgs and his cronies who continue to feed from the trough on match days in their hospitality box)- and he has kept us alive albeit on a life support machine of his bank account for the last few years. The new owners wont be around too long if they don't see value - I am assuming they didn't come in on the back of promises at the Fruit Bowl and if rumour is to be believed that they got up and walked out of a meeting with the developers, their exit could come sooner rather than later. In their short tenure they have seen us phuck up on a grand scale twice and now lose out on our future potential home. Equally wont be surprised to see Barton and his entourage up and go at some point this season - again he must be shaking his head at what is going on, the only consolation is there wont be too many clubs who fancy his style of leadership or his track record in L1. Sadly the club treat the fans with an almost air of contempt - here we go again with the policy of 'We will tell you what we want , when we want and how we want' All that said - If the deal was not right for the club then we are correct to walk away - crap geographic venue anyway BUT that's two deals where we were leasing the ground and we expected to call the shots - Never going to happen that way is it. A rumour being put forward by one person as far as I can tell and without any corroborating evidence smacks of being made up at the moment. Let’s not allow it to become “GasChat” fact.
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