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Post by baggins on Nov 2, 2020 12:11:34 GMT
Baggins supports our opponents for tomorrow’s game....? Blimey! Maybe that’s why he shops in Sainsbury’s...😀 Yes very strange, I thought he was a Waitrose shopper and a judge Rinder fan? How rude. Waitrose indeed.
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Post by axegas on Nov 2, 2020 12:44:26 GMT
If things start getting back to normal next year, hopefully it shouldn't have to be on hold for too long and the ball can get rolling once again. With the new training ground now in use and the club being substantially debt free, a new stadium or a redevelopment of the mem feels like the last and most important piece of the Jigsaw really. I’ve always wondered what fans of normal football clubs do. Like what are you supposed to do if you have an stadium and training ground already? What will we have to moan about? It would be very strange only really having the footballing aspect to focus on We all want a new stadium so we can moan about the concourse being too cold and the colour of the seats not being the right shade of blue.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 2, 2020 12:51:49 GMT
I’ve always wondered what fans of normal football clubs do. Like what are you supposed to do if you have an stadium and training ground already? What will we have to moan about? It would be very strange only really having the footballing aspect to focus on Just had a quick look at the Aston Villa forum to see what a club that has everything and are going well might look like, and there still seems to be plenty of moaning to do. That seems the natural comparison to make, Ben. Can’t argue with that
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Post by Gassy on Nov 2, 2020 12:53:31 GMT
I’ve always wondered what fans of normal football clubs do. Like what are you supposed to do if you have an stadium and training ground already? What will we have to moan about? It would be very strange only really having the footballing aspect to focus on I think this is why we have a huge level of engagement online. A lot of other clubs forums look dead in comparison to on here. This is actually quite a good point tbf. For our size, we’ve always had quite good engagement online. I guess that’s also why TG has done so well to take advantage of that
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 2, 2020 14:44:50 GMT
I’ve always wondered what fans of normal football clubs do. Like what are you supposed to do if you have an stadium and training ground already? What will we have to moan about? It would be very strange only really having the footballing aspect to focus on We could always moan about the mods? 😁 Has it ever stopped...??!!
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 2, 2020 14:51:03 GMT
If things start getting back to normal next year, hopefully it shouldn't have to be on hold for too long and the ball can get rolling once again. With the new training ground now in use and the club being substantially debt free, a new stadium or a redevelopment of the mem feels like the last and most important piece of the Jigsaw really. I’ve always wondered what fans of normal football clubs do. Like what are you supposed to do if you have an stadium and training ground already? What will we have to moan about? It would be very strange only really having the footballing aspect to focus on Take a trip to OTIB and it gives you a fair idea. Firstly you belittle your poorer neighbours that don’t have the facilities you have to give an over inflated sense of self. Combine it with the overall entitlement that they should be a lot higher in their league than they are, that they aren’t competing on a wage bill of £8m a year, that they are buying a player that’s £2m when they should be signing one for £5m and if they don’t sign an ex prem manager who’s won the championship twice before the board are clearly going with the cheap option. There’s plenty to whinge about.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 2, 2020 15:53:01 GMT
I’ve always wondered what fans of normal football clubs do. Like what are you supposed to do if you have an stadium and training ground already? What will we have to moan about? It would be very strange only really having the footballing aspect to focus on Take a trip to OTIB and it gives you a fair idea. Firstly you belittle your poorer neighbours that don’t have the facilities you have to give an over inflated sense of self. Combine it with the overall entitlement that they should be a lot higher in their league than they are, that they aren’t competing on a wage bill of £8m a year, that they are buying a player that’s £2m when they should be signing one for £5m and if they don’t sign an ex prem manager who’s won the championship twice before the board are clearly going with the cheap option. There’s plenty to whinge about. Seems nothing has changed from when I was at school in the 1980s, except the numbers and sadly the extent to which we can't compete (at the moment).
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Post by dragonfly on Nov 2, 2020 16:07:40 GMT
AFC Wimbledon raised 8 million for their stadium through fans I wonder with shares how much we could raise, think that was a great amazing effort. Whereas we are content to see one Person fund this Club on his lonesome. How long will he /can he continue to do this?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 2, 2020 16:25:17 GMT
AFC Wimbledon raised 8 million for their stadium through fans I wonder with shares how much we could raise, think that was a great amazing effort. Whereas we are content to see one Person fund this Club on his lonesome. How long will he /can he continue to do this? Pretty sure money isn’t the problem it’s finding a suitable site and getting planning permission, and at the same time sealing a good deal for the Mem all while not letting changes in the world ruin the plans
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 16:35:31 GMT
Take a trip to OTIB and it gives you a fair idea. Firstly you belittle your poorer neighbours that don’t have the facilities you have to give an over inflated sense of self. Combine it with the overall entitlement that they should be a lot higher in their league than they are, that they aren’t competing on a wage bill of £8m a year, that they are buying a player that’s £2m when they should be signing one for £5m and if they don’t sign an ex prem manager who’s won the championship twice before the board are clearly going with the cheap option. There’s plenty to whinge about. Seems nothing has changed from when I was at school in the 1980s, except the numbers and sadly the extent to which we can't compete (at the moment). School? Ha! 80's? Ha! You are fooling nobody Stu.
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Post by dragonfly on Nov 2, 2020 16:43:03 GMT
Whereas we are content to see one Person fund this Club on his lonesome. How long will he /can he continue to do this? Pretty sure money isn’t the problem it’s finding a suitable site and getting planning permission, and at the same time sealing a good deal for the Mem all while not letting changes in the world ruin the plans Yes that aspect of the funding may not be a problem, what concerns me is that Wael is funding the day to day running in the absence of income. The income from ifollow cannot be significant and Starnes said a few weeks ago that a home game was worth about £150,000. Surely the time for Supporters to lend a hand financially has arrived.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 2, 2020 16:49:23 GMT
Seems nothing has changed from when I was at school in the 1980s, except the numbers and sadly the extent to which we can't compete (at the moment). School? Ha! 80's? Ha! You are fooling nobody Stu. I never said I was a pupil or it was for more than a day. 😉
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Post by Kipper on Nov 3, 2020 9:17:03 GMT
I have given up of ever seeing a new stadium being built. Us fans have been waitng nearly 40-years. A club within a city the size of Bristol, forever getting nowhere. Supporting the club is an utter embarassment. Smaller town clubs have thrived with larger attendances and stadiums to be proud of.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 3, 2020 9:51:23 GMT
I’ve always wondered what fans of normal football clubs do. Like what are you supposed to do if you have an stadium and training ground already? What will we have to moan about? It would be very strange only really having the footballing aspect to focus on Take a trip to OTIB and it gives you a fair idea. Firstly you belittle your poorer neighbours that don’t have the facilities you have to give an over inflated sense of self. Combine it with the overall entitlement that they should be a lot higher in their league than they are, that they aren’t competing on a wage bill of £8m a year, that they are buying a player that’s £2m when they should be signing one for £5m and if they don’t sign an ex prem manager who’s won the championship twice before the board are clearly going with the cheap option. There’s plenty to whinge about. Had a look at One Turd and in their mammoth Gas thread they’re glorying in the Mansion Bet letters distributed indiscriminately across Bristol and the surrounding area. There’s an article in the online Evil about this which described the mailshot as crass. Yep, that just about sums up the sh**; Classless and Crass since 1982. The Evil contacted ‘82 for a comment but they have apparently declined. It quite obvious they fully condone Mansions tactics, because it would be easy for ‘82 to lay them some ground rules like, for example, ‘Do not belittle every Bristol sporting institution that isn’t controlled by Bristol Sport’. But of course they won’t do that, you only have to look at their behaviour over The Snake to gauge their lack of class and taste.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 3, 2020 10:14:27 GMT
I have given up of ever seeing a new stadium being built. Us fans have been waitng nearly 40-years. A club within a city the size of Bristol, forever getting nowhere. Supporting the club is an utter embarassment. Smaller town clubs have thrived with larger attendances and stadiums to be proud of. A club in Bristol does have very good facilities. It’s just not us! So there is not really any pressure from the councils point of view. What it should have is one of the Bristol teams in the prem, for a tourism and national interest point of view. And that is where the council is missing the trick. This city has 2 teams capable, pandemics allowing, of bringing an additional 2-4K fans to the city every weekend for 44 weekends of the year. And that’s just the ones that go to the football. If significant others come with them and don’t go to the game but decide to do something else in the city whilst the other halves are at the game you drive even more into the cities economy. If they were extra helpful to both clubs in terms of site location planning, permissions and some form financial assistance then it would drive the city forward and the city would see a financial return on their investment too. City have all of the ingredients to achieve prem football. In some ways it’s an embarrassment they are underachieving in the same way it is for us to only just beginning to realise what a solid infrastructure means. I said that once the UWE finally collapsed 18 months ago it would be another 5-10 years before the dream would be achieved simply down to site location, purchase, planning and build and that was without a pandemic thrown into the mix. Looking at smaller teams like Shrewsbury and Wimbledon is an unfair comparison. Them being in L1 is probably their ceiling, so although their modern facilities are nicer, as far as a long term plan goes, it wouldn’t suit us or our potential. For example, the Greenhouse Meadow only seats 10k, Rotherham’s New York Stadium 12k, the new plough lane is 9k. When we are doing well we fill the Mem very easily, so if you are building for growth and potential, we need to be looking at 16-20k capacity stadium size, which will cost more, needs a design to include commercial opportunity, but in a location that will appeal to commercial tenants so they see a ROI on them being in our location. Trying to meet all of the above in a central big city is a tough as when land for housing is what is required. Make it too out of town and the appeal for commercial tenants won’t be as strong, fans would be reluctant to travel, especially if there isn’t much to do in the surrounding areas and it usually meets more resistance from nimbys. That’s why FM site, if it comes off, would be a real coup IMO.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 3, 2020 10:24:00 GMT
Why's it an embarrassment City aren't a Premiership side, you only have to look at the table to see it's rare for a team without any real tradition of being a top tier side to make it to the promised land.
As far as the FM I guess that being our best hope sums the club up, after decades of searching for a ground our best hope now is somebody will buy the land, obtain pp and then build us a stadium. Meanwhile a smaller club like Brentford have built a stadium in the middle of London w/o any outside help, I'd say that was embarrassing not City failing to reach the Premiership.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 3, 2020 11:35:46 GMT
Why's it an embarrassment City aren't a Premiership side, you only have to look at the table to see it's rare for a team without any real tradition of being a top tier side to make it to the promised land. As far as the FM I guess that being our best hope sums the club up, after decades of searching for a ground our best hope now is somebody will buy the land, obtain pp and then build us a stadium. Meanwhile a smaller club like Brentford have built a stadium in the middle of London w/o any outside help, I'd say that was embarrassing not City failing to reach the Premiership. Over what period of years do you class tradition? The clubs entire history or where they have been for the last 10 years? Personally, I don’t think tradition has anything to do with it. Bournemouth and Brighton’s tradition is League 1. Hulls tradition float between Championship and L1. Cardiff too mainly floated between League 1 and 2 with the occasional season in the championship. All those teams have experienced prem football in the last 10 years which coincided with a massive improvement in infrastructure. I would say that with a billionaire owner, a good stadium facility and Grade 2 training complex, it is embarrassing that they can’t put together a season where they would compete for the top 6 on a regular basis. Especially when you look at the teams that have made it and where they traditionally were in the football pyramid, with a smaller fanbase, coming from a smaller town or city.
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Post by poorblue on Nov 3, 2020 12:06:31 GMT
I have given up of ever seeing a new stadium being built. Us fans have been waitng nearly 40-years. A club within a city the size of Bristol, forever getting nowhere. Supporting the club is an utter embarassment. Smaller town clubs have thrived with larger attendances and stadiums to be proud of. A club in Bristol does have very good facilities. It’s just not us! So there is not really any pressure from the councils point of view. What it should have is one of the Bristol teams in the prem, for a tourism and national interest point of view. And that is where the council is missing the trick. This city has 2 teams capable, pandemics allowing, of bringing an additional 2-4K fans to the city every weekend for 44 weekends of the year. And that’s just the ones that go to the football. If significant others come with them and don’t go to the game but decide to do something else in the city whilst the other halves are at the game you drive even more into the cities economy. If they were extra helpful to both clubs in terms of site location planning, permissions and some form financial assistance then it would drive the city forward and the city would see a financial return on their investment too. City have all of the ingredients to achieve prem football. In some ways it’s an embarrassment they are underachieving in the same way it is for us to only just beginning to realise what a solid infrastructure means. I said that once the UWE finally collapsed 18 months ago it would be another 5-10 years before the dream would be achieved simply down to site location, purchase, planning and build and that was without a pandemic thrown into the mix. Looking at smaller teams like Shrewsbury and Wimbledon is an unfair comparison. Them being in L1 is probably their ceiling, so although their modern facilities are nicer, as far as a long term plan goes, it wouldn’t suit us or our potential. For example, the Greenhouse Meadow only seats 10k, Rotherham’s New York Stadium 12k, the new plough lane is 9k. When we are doing well we fill the Mem very easily, so if you are building for growth and potential, we need to be looking at 16-20k capacity stadium size, which will cost more, needs a design to include commercial opportunity, but in a location that will appeal to commercial tenants so they see a ROI on them being in our location. Trying to meet all of the above in a central big city is a tough as when land for housing is what is required. Make it too out of town and the appeal for commercial tenants won’t be as strong, fans would be reluctant to travel, especially if there isn’t much to do in the surrounding areas and it usually meets more resistance from nimbys. That’s why FM site, if it comes off, would be a real coup IMO. As an ITK'er I state in answer to the above "If they (BCC) were extra helpful to both clubs in terms of site location planning, permissions it would drive the city forward and the city would see a financial return on their investment too. I can confirm 100% that BCC were extra helpful to BOTH clubs on applications at Ashton Gate (village green included) and both Memorial Stadium applications and UWE. It was made clear by Management to the Planners that if there were "difficult problems" with the applications they were to be resolved and a solution found (within the rules). No financial input from BCC was or could be involved. Neither site involved land owned by BCC as it does in St Phillips redevelopment area.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 3, 2020 12:34:53 GMT
Pretty sure Mayor Rees hinted he was prepared to be "helpful" when he was interviewed by R Bristol about the FM rumours, Rovers problems have always been financing the stadium not getting planning permission.
It seems virtually every league club has financed some kind of stadium build, even AFC Wimbledon are moving into a new £30m ground tonight and they were only formed 18 years ago!
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Post by Kipper on Nov 3, 2020 13:41:32 GMT
Oh my God, i hope Bristol Rovers eventually build a stadium better than Wimbledon's new one. A stadium similar to Sunderland's would be ideal. One can always dream.
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