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Post by womble on Nov 27, 2020 17:38:29 GMT
Just to move on from yesterday on Tele now the presenter just said when fulhams new stand is finished it will take the capacity to nearly 30k I'm sure with their ground in a confined space we could if we wanted to redeveloped the memorial ground near to that that sort of capacity by the way there new stand has a swimming pool on the roof ? Bet they didn't have Horfield ROSE etc. against them from day one! I'm sure we could fit a 20k all seater at the Mem given planning permission Yes we could, we had planning permission to build an 18,500 seat stadium. What we didn’t have was the money. The problem with the Memorial Stadium site is the close proximity housing on all sides, make it impossible to earn much money from the stadium outside match days.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 22:56:16 GMT
Hi guys! Just thought I'd see what was happening with the uwe thing..is it in Clifton now or summat? X
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Post by buckaroo on Dec 4, 2020 11:30:07 GMT
Wael will deliver a grind. Correct.
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Post by legas on Dec 4, 2020 12:42:47 GMT
Hi guys! Just thought I'd see what was happening with the uwe thing..is it in Clifton now or summat? X Yeah, we’re taking over the Bristol Zoo site ... but keeping all of the enclosures, though nobody is quite sure why yet.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 4, 2020 18:21:20 GMT
Bet they didn't have Horfield ROSE etc. against them from day one! I'm sure we could fit a 20k all seater at the Mem given planning permission Yes we could, we had planning permission to build an 18,500 seat stadium. What we didn’t have was the money. The problem with the Memorial Stadium site is the close proximity housing on all sides, make it impossible to earn much money from the stadium outside match days. Is there any evidence that's really the case given that Sainsbury's got pp for a supermarket including early morning deliveries? I assume Ashton Gate and Glos CC got pp without any major issues?
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Dec 4, 2020 18:37:20 GMT
If one of us wouldn’t mind winning the euromillions tonight to pay for the stadium that would be great 👍🏻
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Post by singupgas on Dec 4, 2020 20:42:10 GMT
Got my ticket.
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Post by womble on Dec 4, 2020 21:23:06 GMT
Yes we could, we had planning permission to build an 18,500 seat stadium. What we didn’t have was the money. The problem with the Memorial Stadium site is the close proximity housing on all sides, make it impossible to earn much money from the stadium outside match days. Is there any evidence that's really the case given that Sainsbury's got pp for a supermarket including early morning deliveries? I assume Ashton Gate and Glos CC got pp without any major issues? Yes, there is some. When we got permission for a replacement north stand (pre student flat funded Mem rebuild project), strict conditions on hours of use were imposed. That led to Rovers not proceeding with it as it would not have been much of an income generator. Bear in mind that City’s sports bar faces out towards Winterstoke Rd and is a considerable distance from housing, whereas our ground is hemmed in on all sides by housing. It’s not the day time users that were likely to be the problem, but people leaving bars/restaurants late in the evening - potentially far more of a nuisance than supermarket customers.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 4, 2020 22:10:51 GMT
Is there any evidence that's really the case given that Sainsbury's got pp for a supermarket including early morning deliveries? I assume Ashton Gate and Glos CC got pp without any major issues? Yes, there is some. When we got permission for a replacement north stand (pre student flat funded Mem rebuild project), strict conditions on hours of use were imposed. That led to Rovers not proceeding with it as it would not have been much of an income generator.Bear in mind that City’s sports bar faces out towards Winterstoke Rd and is a considerable distance from housing, whereas our ground is hemmed in on all sides by housing. It’s not the day time users that were likely to be the problem, but people leaving bars/restaurants late in the evening - potentially far more of a nuisance than supermarket customers. Or was that just used as a convenient excuse as I doubt it came as a surprised the council imposed an hours of use conditions given that was, and still is, in place on the other bars. Although whether those condition can be challenged is the great unknown. It looks like we'll be waiting forever for somebody to give us a plot of land to build a stadium when we've already got one.
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Post by womble on Dec 4, 2020 22:29:32 GMT
Yes, there is some. When we got permission for a replacement north stand (pre student flat funded Mem rebuild project), strict conditions on hours of use were imposed. That led to Rovers not proceeding with it as it would not have been much of an income generator.Bear in mind that City’s sports bar faces out towards Winterstoke Rd and is a considerable distance from housing, whereas our ground is hemmed in on all sides by housing. It’s not the day time users that were likely to be the problem, but people leaving bars/restaurants late in the evening - potentially far more of a nuisance than supermarket customers. Or was that just used as a convenient excuse as I doubt it came as a surprised the council imposed an hours of use conditions given that was, and still is, in place on the other bars. Although whether those condition can be challenged is the great unknown. It looks like we'll be waiting forever for somebody to give us a plot of land to build a stadium when we've already got one. At the time it was stated that there wouldn’t have been enough income generated to continue with redeveloping the rest of the stadium and so it was abandoned, to be replaced by the student flat funded total redevelopment. I’ve no reason to suppose that Geoff Dunford wasn’t being truthful about that. It matches the evidence.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 4, 2020 23:43:18 GMT
Or was that just used as a convenient excuse as I doubt it came as a surprised the council imposed an hours of use conditions given that was, and still is, in place on the other bars. Although whether those condition can be challenged is the great unknown. It looks like we'll be waiting forever for somebody to give us a plot of land to build a stadium when we've already got one. At the time it was stated that there wouldn’t have been enough income generated to continue with redeveloping the rest of the stadium and so it was abandoned, to be replaced by the student flat funded total redevelopment. I’ve no reason to suppose that Geoff Dunford wasn’t being truthful about that. It matches the evidence. That's my recollection too. I distinctly recall the switch from one new North stand to a full redevelopment because the concern was we'd not be able to then afford the rest and we'd end up "like Stockport with one new stand and nothing else".
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Post by darkbluegas on Dec 5, 2020 10:25:50 GMT
Aa long as there are unicorn consortiums knocking around promising all sorts we run the risk of failing to ever build anything.
Thankfully, possibly down to unfortunate personal timing, Wael was able to see off the latest fantasists who were trying to get their hands on the Memorial Stadium site on the cheap.
I think Wael’s first instinct when the UWE deal fell apart was to redevelop the Mem. He was, in fact, quite passionate about it. The rest of his family didn’t share his passion so another few years have passed and more potential young fans have slipped through the net.
We have to accept we haven’t laid one brick on another since football was played in black and white. Consequently any show of intent stadium wise would have a huge impact on supporter morale.
The Memorial Stadium is an asset that will only ever rise in value. In the long term future personal vehicle use will decline and any leisure facility within the city limits will be seen as a massive bonus to any organisation.
If we give away another ground we will be seen to be as careless as the owners of the club in the middle of the last century. Any well thought out improvement of our current facilities will have a huge impact on the club.
The current facilities are an embarrassment and I would struggle to suggest a visit to any non committed friend or relative. It can’t go on another year
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 5, 2020 10:45:44 GMT
I’m sure if the Mem was a feasible site for redevelopment we’d have redeveloped it by now. Or at least have applied for permission again under Waels ownership. It ain’t happening. Not sure why that isn’t clear as daylight
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Post by darkbluegas on Dec 5, 2020 10:51:45 GMT
I’m sure if the Mem was a feasible site for redevelopment we’d have redeveloped it by now. Or at least have applied for permission again under Waels ownership. It ain’t happening. Not sure why that isn’t clear as daylight I would say, based on the evidence, of the last 137 years it’s 100% as likely as us building a new ground. After four failed attempts in the last 40 years you’d think we’d have got the message by now. I can’t believe any of us are sitting in decrepit homes thinking I won’t do anything about this, someone one day will build me a new one somehow
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 5, 2020 10:58:52 GMT
I’m sure if the Mem was a feasible site for redevelopment we’d have redeveloped it by now. Or at least have applied for permission again under Waels ownership. It ain’t happening. Not sure why that isn’t clear as daylight I would say, based on the evidence, of the last 137 years it’s 100% as likely as us building a new ground. After four failed attempts in the last 40 years you’d think we’d have got the message by now. I can’t believe any of us are sitting in decrepit homes thinking I won’t do anything about this, someone one day will build me a new one somehow Oh I agree. But if it’s a 2 bed with a 10 sq metre garden and you have ambitions of raising a family of 4 children and two Great Dane dogs then you might start looking at what you can get under help to buy. (analogy isn’t as thin air as it may seem, the 20% deposit is basically the VAT saving)
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Post by darkbluegas on Dec 5, 2020 11:14:50 GMT
I would say, based on the evidence, of the last 137 years it’s 100% as likely as us building a new ground. After four failed attempts in the last 40 years you’d think we’d have got the message by now. I can’t believe any of us are sitting in decrepit homes thinking I won’t do anything about this, someone one day will build me a new one somehow Oh I agree. But if it’s a 2 bed with a 10 sq metre garden and you have ambitions of raising a family of 4 children and two Great Dane dogs then you might start looking at what you can get under help to buy. (analogy isn’t as thin air as it may seem, the 20% deposit is basically the VAT saving) But we’ve shown no ambition to even think about having children or getting a hamster let alone a Great Dane. In the meantime all the neighbours think we we’re lazy slobs and no one wants to come around to our place without having a tetanus jab.
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Post by albaron on Dec 5, 2020 12:42:37 GMT
I’m sure if the Mem was a feasible site for redevelopment we’d have redeveloped it by now. Or at least have applied for permission again under Waels ownership. It ain’t happening. Not sure why that isn’t clear as daylight I would say, based on the evidence, of the last 137 years it’s 100% as likely as us building a new ground. After four failed attempts in the last 40 years you’d think we’d have got the message by now. I can’t believe any of us are sitting in decrepit homes thinking I won’t do anything about this, someone one day will build me a new one somehow On this basis we just as well fold the club then.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jan 9, 2021 14:08:25 GMT
Telegraph today previewing the Sheff Utd game has a good feature on the game about Mr Wael being a Jordanian 'Gashead'.The article states that he has suspended plans to explore the redevelopment of a fruit market in Central Bristol as a site for the club's next stadium'.
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Post by playtowin on Jan 9, 2021 17:07:47 GMT
View AttachmentTelegraph today previewing the Sheff Utd game has a good feature on the game about Mr Wael being a Jordanian 'Gashead'.The article states that he has suspended plans to explore the redevelopment of a fruit market in Central Bristol as a site for the club's next stadium'. Suspended. Not abandoned. Could be for many reasons...who wants to start guessing
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 9, 2021 17:12:27 GMT
It'd be lovely to get some stadium news but it's not worth getting worked up over in the middle of this pandemic - sounds like we're just on pause until the bloody thing is over. Last time we had a big world history event (WW2) we had to sell our ground to stay afloat.
Wael did an interview with the Bristol Post, watched a few minutes of it last night just to hear what he had to say on the stadium matter as the rest just seemed to be the usual niceties about training grounds, managerial appointments and transfer windows (although the PT stuff I skipped by did sound a little interesting). It very much sounded like, don't expect progress until this is all over.
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