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Post by pirate on Aug 9, 2019 15:09:19 GMT
It says it all when a club that was in the North West Counties League not so long ago can afford the likes of Paddy Madden, Ched Evans, Jordan Rossiter, Paul Coutts and Josh Morris...and we can't. Don't be surprised when Fleetwood end up just like Rushden & Diamonds. The previous manager spunked £500k on strikers that can't score, that's probably the reason why we can't. Are we still going to be talking 20 years down the line about that time we spent £500k on 2 strikers? We were spending that on strikers 20 years ago. I doubt Fleetwood were far off £500k for Madden and Evans themselves.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 9, 2019 15:24:21 GMT
Don't be surprised when Fleetwood end up just like Rushden & Diamonds. The previous manager spunked £500k on strikers that can't score, that's probably the reason why we can't. Are we still going to be talking 20 years down the line about that time we spent £500k on 2 strikers? We were spending that on strikers 20 years ago. I doubt Fleetwood were far off £500k for Madden and Evans themselves. No. But surely the fact that we have spent £500k on those 2 strikers who have scored about 5 goals between them in over 100 games, we've gave Payne away which is already a loss, and we've still got Nichols on our books who we probably couldn't give away however hard we try, has something to do with it. Its not Championship manager. We got peanuts for Taylor and Bodin and replaced them with players not fit to lace their boots. I mentioned on another post, luckily GC managed to pull a rabbit out of the hat with JCH. I also mentioned on another thread that City signed Aden Flint and Marlon Pack for less than we signed Tom Nichols and Stefan Payne for, they sold them for an £11.6M profit. We wont get anything back for the 2 strikers we signed. That's the reason we ain't got the money to go and bring in all these players being mentioned. Also I remember many on here being in awe of Bury bringing in players like James Vaughan etc, now look at them. People on here are still wanting us to break the bank for somebody like Leon Clarke....... Lets be real.
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Post by pirate on Aug 9, 2019 15:35:34 GMT
Are we still going to be talking 20 years down the line about that time we spent £500k on 2 strikers? We were spending that on strikers 20 years ago. I doubt Fleetwood were far off £500k for Madden and Evans themselves. No. But surely the fact that we have spent £500k on those 2 strikers who have scored about 5 goals between them in over 100 games, we've gave Payne away which is already a loss, and we've still got Nichols on our books who we probably couldn't give away however hard we try, has something to do with it. Its not Championship manager. We got peanuts for Taylor and Bodin and replaced them with players not fit to lace their boots. I mentioned on another post, luckily GC managed to pull a rabbit out of the hat with JCH. I also mentioned on another thread that City signed Aden Flint and Marlon Pack for less than we signed Tom Nichols and Stefan Payne for, they sold them for an £11.6M profit. We wont get anything back for the 2 strikers we signed. That's the reason we ain't got the money to go and bring in all these players being mentioned. Also I remember many on here being in awe of Bury bringing in players like James Vaughan etc, now look at them. People on here are still wanting us to break the bank for somebody like Leon Clarke....... Lets be real. You say we got peanuts for Taylor and Bodin which relatively speaking I agree with, but then actually replaced them with players that cost less. We then we sold Harrison for a half decent fee. DC made more from transfer fees than he spent. Also made quite a bit of money from the cup game against Chelsea. That is being 'real'.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 9, 2019 15:58:57 GMT
No. But surely the fact that we have spent £500k on those 2 strikers who have scored about 5 goals between them in over 100 games, we've gave Payne away which is already a loss, and we've still got Nichols on our books who we probably couldn't give away however hard we try, has something to do with it. Its not Championship manager. We got peanuts for Taylor and Bodin and replaced them with players not fit to lace their boots. I mentioned on another post, luckily GC managed to pull a rabbit out of the hat with JCH. I also mentioned on another thread that City signed Aden Flint and Marlon Pack for less than we signed Tom Nichols and Stefan Payne for, they sold them for an £11.6M profit. We wont get anything back for the 2 strikers we signed. That's the reason we ain't got the money to go and bring in all these players being mentioned. Also I remember many on here being in awe of Bury bringing in players like James Vaughan etc, now look at them. People on here are still wanting us to break the bank for somebody like Leon Clarke....... Lets be real. You say we got peanuts for Taylor and Bodin which relatively speaking I agree with, but then actually replaced them with players that cost less. We then we sold Harrison for a half decent fee. DC made more from transfer fees than he spent. Also made quite a bit of money from the cup game against Chelsea. That is being 'real'. It doesn't matter how much they cost, they're not fit to lace their boots. GC has brought in JCH, Ogogo, Davies and Mark Little(Who is better than the majority of Right Backs in this division), imo that's been good business. He's also brought Bennett back from the wilderness if he can get him firing to anything like his best then that could be like a new signing. I've been impressed with GC since he took charge. Lets wait until the window shuts before we have a total meltdown. I just find it strange when people compare us to Fleetwood, a johnny come lately club who have an owner who is willing to pay money for short term gain, it wont work, just like Rushden & Diamonds and even Crawley to a certain extent. You want us to have a look at and sign all these "Gems" from Youtube clips on the Wishlist thread, but also seem to want us to sign all these players that Fleetwood are signing too. We're already running up huge losses. That's what I mean about being real.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Aug 9, 2019 16:29:30 GMT
9 August English Football League
Courtney Baker-Richardson [Swansea - Accrington] Loan
Halil Dervisoglu [Sparta Rotterdam - Brentford] Undisclosed
Jon Taylor [Peterborough - Doncaster] Free
Kane Wilson [West Brom - Tranmere] Loan
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 9, 2019 17:09:47 GMT
When comparing us against Bristol City and Fleetwood there may be many reasons why they can spend more than we can. The biggest factor is that they have Stephan Lansdowne and Andy Piley who are prepared to run each club as a vanity project and spend millions chasing the dream. We have owners who will not do that and are trying, perhaps unsuccessfully, to run us as a business. That is the difference. They have been fortunate perhaps we haven’t although personally I’ve no major problem with owners not spending money they haven’t got. Others will have a different opinion. UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 9, 2019 17:10:41 GMT
You say we got peanuts for Taylor and Bodin which relatively speaking I agree with, but then actually replaced them with players that cost less. We then we sold Harrison for a half decent fee. DC made more from transfer fees than he spent. Also made quite a bit of money from the cup game against Chelsea. That is being 'real'. It doesn't matter how much they cost, they're not fit to lace their boots. GC has brought in JCH, Ogogo, Davies and Mark Little(Who is better than the majority of Right Backs in this division), imo that's been good business. He's also brought Bennett back from the wilderness if he can get him firing to anything like his best then that could be like a new signing. I've been impressed with GC since he took charge. Lets wait until the window shuts before we have a total meltdown. I just find it strange when people compare us to Fleetwood, a johnny come lately club who have an owner who is willing to pay money for short term gain, it wont work, just like Rushden & Diamonds and even Crawley to a certain extent. You want us to have a look at and sign all these "Gems" from Youtube clips on the Wishlist thread, but also seem to want us to sign all these players that Fleetwood are signing too. We're already running up huge losses. That's what I mean about being real. Problems is we've gone from spending £350K on TN, to £150K on SP, to now just signing two young strikers on loan this summer. Somethings got to give either the ALQ's have to back GC or accept Div 2 football next season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 9, 2019 17:14:26 GMT
When comparing us against Bristol City and Fleetwood there may be many reasons why they can spend more than we can. The biggest factor is that they have Stephan Lansdowne and Andy Piley who are prepared to run each club as a vanity project and spend millions chasing the dream. We have owners who will not do that and are trying, perhaps unsuccessfully, to run us as a business. That is the difference. They have been fortunate perhaps we haven’t although personally I’ve no major problem with owners not spending money they haven’t got. Others will have a different opinion. UTG! That £250K on an office in London would pay for a decent forward, plus do we really need all those Academy etc coaches if we're content to remain just a lower Div 1/upper Div 2 side? 90%+ of our turnover goes just on wages!
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Post by pirate on Aug 9, 2019 17:15:33 GMT
When comparing us against Bristol City and Fleetwood there may be many reasons why they can spend more than we can. The biggest factor is that they have Stephan Lansdowne and Andy Piley who are prepared to run each club as a vanity project and spend millions chasing the dream. We have owners who will not do that and are trying, perhaps unsuccessfully, to run us as a business. That is the difference. They have been fortunate perhaps we haven’t although personally I’ve no major problem with owners not spending money they haven’t got. Others will have a different opinion. UTG! Our owners do have the money though and are worth more than Andy Pilley, they just aren't willing to invest any of it in the football club. Some would say owning us is a vanity project for Wael, but on a different scale.
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Post by pucklegas on Aug 9, 2019 19:27:11 GMT
When comparing us against Bristol City and Fleetwood there may be many reasons why they can spend more than we can. The biggest factor is that they have Stephan Lansdowne and Andy Piley who are prepared to run each club as a vanity project and spend millions chasing the dream. We have owners who will not do that and are trying, perhaps unsuccessfully, to run us as a business. That is the difference. They have been fortunate perhaps we haven’t although personally I’ve no major problem with owners not spending money they haven’t got. Others will have a different opinion. UTG! Our owners do have the money though and are worth more than Andy Pilley, they just aren't willing to invest any of it in the football club. Some would say owning us is a vanity project for Wael, but on a different scale. Watching shankland play on bbc Scotland scored a scuffer but when luck is on your side ...
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 9, 2019 19:30:34 GMT
It doesn't matter how much they cost, they're not fit to lace their boots. GC has brought in JCH, Ogogo, Davies and Mark Little(Who is better than the majority of Right Backs in this division), imo that's been good business. He's also brought Bennett back from the wilderness if he can get him firing to anything like his best then that could be like a new signing. I've been impressed with GC since he took charge. Lets wait until the window shuts before we have a total meltdown. I just find it strange when people compare us to Fleetwood, a johnny come lately club who have an owner who is willing to pay money for short term gain, it wont work, just like Rushden & Diamonds and even Crawley to a certain extent. You want us to have a look at and sign all these "Gems" from Youtube clips on the Wishlist thread, but also seem to want us to sign all these players that Fleetwood are signing too. We're already running up huge losses. That's what I mean about being real. Problems is we've gone from spending £350K on TN, to £150K on SP, to now just signing two young strikers on loan this summer. Somethings got to give either the ALQ's have to back GC or accept Div 2 football next season. We've also brought in JCH whose goalscoring record in his first 16 games is better than any striker we've had in my lifetime I believe. As Tom Nichols has proved spending money isn't always the answer. Matty Taylor, Billy Bodin and JCH again are the proof of that. It just amazes me how people bang on about spending money all the time, willy, nilly. Especially when they're also the ones wanting us to sign "Gems" from the Dog and Duck league aswell.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 9, 2019 19:32:58 GMT
When comparing us against Bristol City and Fleetwood there may be many reasons why they can spend more than we can. The biggest factor is that they have Stephan Lansdowne and Andy Piley who are prepared to run each club as a vanity project and spend millions chasing the dream. We have owners who will not do that and are trying, perhaps unsuccessfully, to run us as a business. That is the difference. They have been fortunate perhaps we haven’t although personally I’ve no major problem with owners not spending money they haven’t got. Others will have a different opinion. UTG! Our owners do have the money though and are worth more than Andy Pilley, they just aren't willing to invest any of it in the football club. Some would say owning us is a vanity project for Wael, but on a different scale. We also have an infrastructure and stadium that are pretty high up on our priorities. Fleetwood haven't.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 9, 2019 20:19:04 GMT
When comparing us against Bristol City and Fleetwood there may be many reasons why they can spend more than we can. The biggest factor is that they have Stephan Lansdowne and Andy Piley who are prepared to run each club as a vanity project and spend millions chasing the dream. We have owners who will not do that and are trying, perhaps unsuccessfully, to run us as a business. That is the difference. They have been fortunate perhaps we haven’t although personally I’ve no major problem with owners not spending money they haven’t got. Others will have a different opinion. UTG! Our owners do have the money though and are worth more than Andy Pilley, they just aren't willing to invest any of it in the football club. Some would say owning us is a vanity project for Wael, but on a different scale. And in the end pirate an unwillingness to spend what they have is almost as bad as having owners with no money. Typical Rovers, we find the only rich Middle Eastern owners who don’t want to spend money! My point about having no problem with them not spending money was my fears about what happens to us when /if they lose interest. We could be the next Bury. Actually if Wael really does have more money than Piley then Fleetwood could be the next Bury! 😉 UTG!
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Aug 9, 2019 22:08:18 GMT
Every season it is like this ~ we have no money we are rag bag Rovers but we love em U T Dam G
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Post by ebofakineb on Aug 9, 2019 22:25:05 GMT
Just typical of your Mods, can't even talk to fellow fans from across the river so high the level of jealousy, we have many Rovers friends on OTIB and have great discussion... Maybe one day you will be able to hold a mature debate with out just banning rival fans from your forum... Its embarrassing!
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 9, 2019 22:35:32 GMT
Just typical of your Mods, can't even talk to fellow fans from across the river so high the level of jealousy, we have many Rovers friends on OTIB and have great discussion... Maybe one day you will be able to hold a mature debate with out just banning rival fans from your forum... Its embarrassing! Think there have been city fans on here before. Some that are not just trying to cause trouble. Not seen any mature debate from yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 22:48:06 GMT
Problems is we've gone from spending £350K on TN, to £150K on SP, to now just signing two young strikers on loan this summer. Somethings got to give either the ALQ's have to back GC or accept Div 2 football next season. We've also brought in JCH whose goalscoring record in his first 16 games is better than any striker we've had in my lifetime I believe. As Tom Nichols has proved spending money isn't always the answer. Matty Taylor, Billy Bodin and JCH again are the proof of that. It just amazes me how people bang on about spending money all the time, willy, nilly. Especially when they're also the ones wanting us to sign "Gems" from the Dog and Duck league aswell. Largely true, but the law of averages says that, whilst you will pick up the odd bargain for next to nothing, you are more likely to get poorer players by paying less. That's generally why they are worth less. Nichols and Payne are no Taylor and Harrison, but then again did anyone think they would be. DC couldn't be expected to keep unearthing gems like Taylor and Bodin. Eventually, it was going to go wrong, sadly. I'm not saying we should be spending money we haven't got. In fact, I'd rather we didn't, even if it does end in us finding our level at a lower point that we currently occupy.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 9, 2019 22:59:23 GMT
Just typical of your Mods, can't even talk to fellow fans from across the river so high the level of jealousy, we have many Rovers friends on OTIB and have great discussion... Maybe one day you will be able to hold a mature debate with out just banning rival fans from your forum... Its embarrassing! Its not just because you're a Sh*thead. It's because you're being a complete Sh*thead c*nt and an absolute bellend.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 9, 2019 23:01:35 GMT
We've also brought in JCH whose goalscoring record in his first 16 games is better than any striker we've had in my lifetime I believe. As Tom Nichols has proved spending money isn't always the answer. Matty Taylor, Billy Bodin and JCH again are the proof of that. It just amazes me how people bang on about spending money all the time, willy, nilly. Especially when they're also the ones wanting us to sign "Gems" from the Dog and Duck league aswell. Largely true, but the law of averages says that, whilst you will pick up the odd bargain for next to nothing, you are more likely to get poorer players by paying less. That's generally why they are worth less. Nichols and Payne are no Taylor and Harrison, but then again did anyone think they would be. DC couldn't be expected to keep unearthing gems like Taylor and Bodin. Eventually, it was going to go wrong, sadly. I'm not saying we should be spending money we haven't got. In fact, I'd rather we didn't, even if it does end in us finding our level at a lower point that we currently occupy. Also if the Al-Qadi's are selling us and have been touting us about to consortiums for over a year, why would they put more money in?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 23:02:09 GMT
Just typical of your Mods, can't even talk to fellow fans from across the river so high the level of jealousy, we have many Rovers friends on OTIB and have great discussion... Maybe one day you will be able to hold a mature debate with out just banning rival fans from your forum... Its embarrassing! Babe I hope you stay..could do with fresh meat on here.x
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