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Post by socrates on Sept 10, 2019 22:34:09 GMT
I’d rather have Alex Scott than mark Lawrenson every time. Are you still talking about football pundits? 😉 UTG! A bit of both really if I’m honest. Scott is attractive , smiley , charismatic, understands the game and talks passionately about it. Lawrenson understands the game but hasn’t got any of the other traits that Scott has got, I find him dull and miserable.
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Post by Marshy on Sept 11, 2019 7:48:33 GMT
Are you still talking about football pundits? 😉 UTG! A bit of both really if I’m honest. Scott is attractive , smiley , charismatic, understands the game and talks passionately about it. Lawrenson understands the game but hasn’t got any of the other traits that Scott has got, I find him dull and miserable. That sounds like DC & GC! 😁
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 11, 2019 7:58:06 GMT
Which clubs are going to steal our punters? I think we’re doing a good enough job of keeping fans away. It's more the potential general effect of prioritising WSL over EFL leagues 1 and 2 in particular. If that carries on, it could be detrimental. We are getting left behind, yes a big part of that is our fault but this is sort of thing won't help us IMO. You say yourself that there's no interest in the women's game though, so how could it have a detrimental effect?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 11, 2019 8:33:28 GMT
It's more the potential general effect of prioritising WSL over EFL leagues 1 and 2 in particular. If that carries on, it could be detrimental. We are getting left behind, yes a big part of that is our fault but this is sort of thing won't help us IMO. You say yourself that there's no interest in the women's game though, so how could it have a detrimental effect?
Because with the BBC constantly shoving it in our faces and a growing market then it could in the future. That is my point, if it is prioritised over L1 regularly.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 11, 2019 9:07:21 GMT
You say yourself that there's no interest in the women's game though, so how could it have a detrimental effect?
Because with the BBC constantly shoving it in our faces and a growing market then it could in the future. That is my point, if it is prioritised over L1 regularly. Terrestrial TV were never really interested in lower league football, BBC Sport spent their allocation securing Premiership highlights and ITV international football and Champions League highlights. C5 lost out to Quest while Sky and BT spent £Bns getting live football in order to get subscribers. I certainly don't feel anyone is pushing it for PC or other social engineering reasons. Women's football is growing and financial returns are increasing exponentially. If it is being pushed, it is for commercial reasons.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 11, 2019 9:16:05 GMT
I wouldn't say £15 is really a giving away tickets. I don't really see how L1 coverage has got lower. BBC never wrote up articles like the Rovers website does. The briefly highlight what happened in the game. Women's football has only really been pushed during & since the women's World Cup, so I don't see how we've had less & less coverage from BBC 'over recent years' - in fact check this out: Southampton 2-3 Rovers news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_div_2/8270971.stm Rovers 3-3 Accy www.bbc.com/sport/football/49533130Southampton/Rovers has 4 sentences of analysis. Rovers/Accy has 8 sentences. So double what we had in recent years. A genuine question: up until BBC put Championship, L1 & L2 one button further down on their website, how has BBC been 'over the recent years relegating and taking on far less prominence of lower league football, whilst seemingly anything vaguely related to the WSL & women football in general will be pushed to the headlines'? Up until the recent World Cup I can't say I've ever seen anything not The BBC site, never mind it relegating lower league football. I'm all up for a good moan about how the system is unfair & its all tailored to the big clubs etc, but to say women's football is screwing us over is just ludicrous IMO. GGMI says let's 'ignore a possibility for being PC', that's nice. I can just say 'let's make up a reason as to why & how we're getting screwed over, because we dont like women playing football' - wow, that's fun that. (PS, no falsenumber9 I dont think you hate women playing football, but you get the point im making) The game you quoted (England vs Germany) is £10 adults, £1 kids. It's as cheap as it's ever going to be and will obviously be a significant contributory factor in the 60,000 tickets sold. If you're a regular visitor to BBC Football's homepage you will have noticed the coverage of lower league football (not specifically Rovers) has less prominence. Trust me, women's football was pushed long before this World Cup and the analytics would back that up. Within the main headline section there's consistently been at least one story/article on Women's football which, considering their top flight average was below 900, is strange to say the least. It's almost like they've got an equality content threshold to reach? Whilst the sentences of match reports may have increased, the content is hidden behind links in a way it wasn't several years ago. Previously the homepage has a subsection on lower league football headlines, which tended to highlight managerial changes, transfers etc. It's fair to say, let's say, John Marquis' £2m transfer to Portsmouth in August would have been reported on the homepage in one form or another. Likewise Darryl Clarke's or Ryan Lowe's appointments at Walsall and Plymouth. Now it wouldn't get a mention and is a couple of clicks away. On the flip side, it's not uncommon to see a 'headline' (within top 10) story about an injury to an obscure female player where their club attracts less than 800 every week. The promotion of women's football on BBC Football is indisputable. I'm calling out the BBC and other media outlets on this, rather than pointing the finger at Women's football. Their players/clubs aren't screwing over lower league football, but I do believe the media (particularly the BBC) relegation of lower league football news and coverage isn't great. I also believe the prominence of women's football is motivated by a desire to be politically correct. No, the game is £15, I checked it last night... Interesting, I check BBC today and there isn't a single article on women's football on the main page. What analytics would back that up? Please show them to me & what analytics you're talking about. I can't find a section on the old website for lower league headlines, can you? boagworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/BBC-sports-old.jpgHowever, you can specifically tailor what you want to view via their app, for lower league football only if you want or Rovers specific. Unfortunately your main paragraph about transfer news that would have made it before just can't be proven, as you can see in the image there isn't any subsection of lower league football to back that up. Do people like GGMI really believe that Rovers might lose fans, because of Man City women doing well? Do you honestly think female Rovers fans will stop attending our games and support Man City instead? If you dont, then clearly you're worried about women's football becoming more important in general, like the Gas Girls. Otherwise, how is this (untrue) less media coverage hurting us? Will we no longer have fans in Argentina start following us randomly because they'll start supporting Man City women instead? On a final point, I'm personally proud that my country is going this. I'm not sure if you or GGMI have ever lived abroad, but trust me when you live away (not just go on holiday), you'll realise how good it is that we push women's sports & women's rights etc, whilst we still have a long way to go, trust me - you would not believe the difference of how women are viewed outside of the UK. Yet people here seem to moan that it's positive discrimination and how it's unfair. Honestly, only in the UK could you get these issues ffs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 9:50:58 GMT
The game you quoted (England vs Germany) is £10 adults, £1 kids. It's as cheap as it's ever going to be and will obviously be a significant contributory factor in the 60,000 tickets sold. If you're a regular visitor to BBC Football's homepage you will have noticed the coverage of lower league football (not specifically Rovers) has less prominence. Trust me, women's football was pushed long before this World Cup and the analytics would back that up. Within the main headline section there's consistently been at least one story/article on Women's football which, considering their top flight average was below 900, is strange to say the least. It's almost like they've got an equality content threshold to reach? Whilst the sentences of match reports may have increased, the content is hidden behind links in a way it wasn't several years ago. Previously the homepage has a subsection on lower league football headlines, which tended to highlight managerial changes, transfers etc. It's fair to say, let's say, John Marquis' £2m transfer to Portsmouth in August would have been reported on the homepage in one form or another. Likewise Darryl Clarke's or Ryan Lowe's appointments at Walsall and Plymouth. Now it wouldn't get a mention and is a couple of clicks away. On the flip side, it's not uncommon to see a 'headline' (within top 10) story about an injury to an obscure female player where their club attracts less than 800 every week. The promotion of women's football on BBC Football is indisputable. I'm calling out the BBC and other media outlets on this, rather than pointing the finger at Women's football. Their players/clubs aren't screwing over lower league football, but I do believe the media (particularly the BBC) relegation of lower league football news and coverage isn't great. I also believe the prominence of women's football is motivated by a desire to be politically correct. No, the game is £15, I checked it last night... Interesting, I check BBC today and there isn't a single article on women's football on the main page. What analytics would back that up? Please show them to me & what analytics you're talking about. I can't find a section on the old website for lower league headlines, can you? boagworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/BBC-sports-old.jpgHowever, you can specifically tailor what you want to view via their app, for lower league football only if you want or Rovers specific. Unfortunately your main paragraph about transfer news that would have made it before just can't be proven, as you can see in the image there isn't any subsection of lower league football to back that up. Do people like GGMI really believe that Rovers might lose fans, because of Man City women doing well? Do you honestly think female Rovers fans will stop attending our games and support Man City instead? If you dont, then clearly you're worried about women's football becoming more important in general, like the Gas Girls. Otherwise, how is this (untrue) less media coverage hurting us? Will we no longer have fans in Argentina start following us randomly because they'll start supporting Man City women instead? On a final point, I'm personally proud that my country is going this. I'm not sure if you or GGMI have ever lived abroad, but trust me when you live away (not just go on holiday), you'll realise how good it is that we push women's sports & women's rights etc, whilst we still have a long way to go, trust me - you would not believe the difference of how women are viewed outside of the UK. Yet people here seem to moan that it's positive discrimination and how it's unfair. Honestly, only in the UK could you get these issues ffs Sure about that? The initial price (where tickets were evidently snapped up) were as cheap as chips. Currently the third main story listed on the BBC Football website is centred on Women's football. It's been up there all day. The section on lower league headlines was centred on the lower half of the screen (your screen shot features only the very top).
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 11, 2019 9:58:10 GMT
You say yourself that there's no interest in the women's game though, so how could it have a detrimental effect?
Because with the BBC constantly shoving it in our faces and a growing market then it could in the future. That is my point, if it is prioritised over L1 regularly. Come on GGMI they’re hardly shoving it in our faces. They’re promoting something which may impact on 50% of the population. I’d be more surprised if they weren’t doing this as a public provider with a charter and great wedge of money from the Government to do those things. We have a choice to read and watch or pass over to something else. I would have thought an increased interest in all types of football would benefit every club in the long run. And as with all competition it should make everyone else pull their socks up and look to produce a better quality product themselves, us included. UTG!
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 11, 2019 11:26:33 GMT
You say yourself that there's no interest in the women's game though, so how could it have a detrimental effect?
Because with the BBC constantly shoving it in our faces and a growing market then it could in the future. That is my point, if it is prioritised over L1 regularly. Personally I think it will make no difference. Lower league clubs have never got their fanbase from people noticing a club on the BBC website.
Anyway, the BBC is a content provider, like many others. They do not hold a monopoly over sports news websites, there's loads. If you don't like what they put on their website,then you can use a different content provider. The market will surely sort it out. What are you suggesting, some kind of government or regulator intervention, to dictate what sports news providers can put on their websites? Where's the market failure imperative for that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 11:26:43 GMT
Because with the BBC constantly shoving it in our faces and a growing market then it could in the future. That is my point, if it is prioritised over L1 regularly. Come on GGMI they’re hardly shoving it in our faces. They’re promoting something which may impact on 50% of the population. I’d be more surprised if they weren’t doing this as a public provider with a charter and great wedge of money from the Government to do those things. We have a choice to read and watch or pass over to something else. I would have thought an increased interest in all types of football would benefit every club in the long run. And as with all competition it should make everyone else pull their socks up and look to produce a better quality product themselves, us included. UTG! The BBC are publicly funded WG and shouldn't be adopting political stances which they quite clearly do. I'd argue it's simply not their job to decide the status quo is 'wrong' and constantly push gender political content at consumers. A second headline story has now appeared declaring the first 'Women's Football Weekend' in November during the international week where all things WSM will be actively promoted throughout the week. I look forward to the first Lower League Football Weekend encouraging people to get behind their local lower league club. I suspect Non-League weekend will barely get a mention either, despite average attendances in the National League being, I suspect, higher than WSL last season.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 11, 2019 11:28:09 GMT
I'd watch it if the kits were designed by Ann Summers...
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Post by Marshy on Sept 11, 2019 11:31:51 GMT
I'd watch it if the kits were designed by Ann Summers... They are for women’s beach volleyball. Now that is an interesting watch.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 11, 2019 11:33:21 GMT
I'd watch it if the kits were designed by Ann Summers... They are for women’s beach volleyball. Now that is an interesting watch.
I used to watch ladies tennis until they cheated the male viewer by wearing shorts underneath the skirts.
Might have to give the beach volleyball 'a watch' now then!
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 11, 2019 11:37:55 GMT
They are for women’s beach volleyball. Now that is an interesting watch.
I used to watch ladies tennis until they cheated the male viewer by wearing shorts underneath the skirts.
Might have to give the beach volleyball 'a watch' now then!
Jeez, you know there's actual porn on the internet these days guys?
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Post by Marshy on Sept 11, 2019 11:39:46 GMT
I used to watch ladies tennis until they cheated the male viewer by wearing shorts underneath the skirts.
Might have to give the beach volleyball 'a watch' now then!
Jeez, you know there's actual porn on the internet these days guys? It’s the same thing, except the volleyball is a bit more gritty.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 11, 2019 11:45:38 GMT
I used to watch ladies tennis until they cheated the male viewer by wearing shorts underneath the skirts.
Might have to give the beach volleyball 'a watch' now then!
Jeez, you know there's actual porn on the internet these days guys?
Yes but that's far too obvious. I like my viewing a little more subtle..
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 11, 2019 12:00:03 GMT
Come on GGMI they’re hardly shoving it in our faces. They’re promoting something which may impact on 50% of the population. I’d be more surprised if they weren’t doing this as a public provider with a charter and great wedge of money from the Government to do those things. We have a choice to read and watch or pass over to something else. I would have thought an increased interest in all types of football would benefit every club in the long run. And as with all competition it should make everyone else pull their socks up and look to produce a better quality product themselves, us included. UTG! The BBC are publicly funded WG and shouldn't be adopting political stances which they quite clearly do. I'd argue it's simply not their job to decide the status quo is 'wrong' and constantly push gender political content at consumers. A second headline story has now appeared declaring the first 'Women's Football Weekend' in November during the international week where all things WSM will be actively promoted throughout the week. I look forward to the first Lower League Football Weekend encouraging people to get behind their local lower league club. I suspect Non-League weekend will barely get a mention either, despite average attendances in the National League being, I suspect, higher than WSL last season. Not going to argue with you over it but not sure that it could be classed as adopting a political stance. More like meeting their gender equality and diversity aims. In the end everything is political esp if you disagree with what’s being stated or what’s being done but that doesn’t make it bad, just different. And supporting the growth of Women’s football is the right thing to do and will be seen by many as putting right something that was unfair and discriminatory. Just because something didn’t happen should never mean it mustn’t happen in the future. Yes, I saw that about the next international weekend being all things WSM. I hope that non league weekend doesn’t get forgotten and as you say it really shouldn’t considering their attendances are above that if the WSL. I don’t watch Women’s football, but that’s my choice but I recognise that extending opportunities to watch, read about and play football for the other half of the population has to be good and the way forward. And I guess ultimately there are lots of people who don’t like change or even feel challenged by it. I wonder if BRFC had still had the football team before the other lot took it and were getting lots of publicity as “Bristol Rovers Ladies” team in the WPL the views of some of us might be different. Whatever, it sounds as if the ”Gas girls” could get a few years of great success if they move up their leagues before hitting what all Rovers team sometimes hit, a kind of glass ceiling that requires lots of money to smash. Good luck to them. UTG!
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Post by Gassy on Sept 11, 2019 12:42:36 GMT
No, the game is £15, I checked it last night... Interesting, I check BBC today and there isn't a single article on women's football on the main page. What analytics would back that up? Please show them to me & what analytics you're talking about. I can't find a section on the old website for lower league headlines, can you? boagworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/BBC-sports-old.jpgHowever, you can specifically tailor what you want to view via their app, for lower league football only if you want or Rovers specific. Unfortunately your main paragraph about transfer news that would have made it before just can't be proven, as you can see in the image there isn't any subsection of lower league football to back that up. Do people like GGMI really believe that Rovers might lose fans, because of Man City women doing well? Do you honestly think female Rovers fans will stop attending our games and support Man City instead? If you dont, then clearly you're worried about women's football becoming more important in general, like the Gas Girls. Otherwise, how is this (untrue) less media coverage hurting us? Will we no longer have fans in Argentina start following us randomly because they'll start supporting Man City women instead? On a final point, I'm personally proud that my country is going this. I'm not sure if you or GGMI have ever lived abroad, but trust me when you live away (not just go on holiday), you'll realise how good it is that we push women's sports & women's rights etc, whilst we still have a long way to go, trust me - you would not believe the difference of how women are viewed outside of the UK. Yet people here seem to moan that it's positive discrimination and how it's unfair. Honestly, only in the UK could you get these issues ffs Sure about that? The initial price (where tickets were evidently snapped up) were as cheap as chips. Currently the third main story listed on the BBC Football website is centred on Women's football. It's been up there all day. The section on lower league headlines was centred on the lower half of the screen (your screen shot features only the very top). Yes I am sure about the price I checked last night, as I always said. Currently, the 3rd story is England is about England mens team... I dont see a single WSL story in sight... Attachment DeletedEven if it was, what are we talking about here? The women's game? WSL? I read that article (and its very interesting btw), and it doesn't even mention anything about women's football until half way through roughly, it's a blog - not an article promoting women's football, which is very different IMO. It talks about an ex-England international with how she's dealing with life after football and how she realises there is more to life than football. Quite a fitting article you chose, maybe there is more to life than getting annoyed at women's football being promoted... It's convenient that this lower league headline (that can't be proven) just doesn't happen to show up on anything. (the screen shot was the only one I found on the old football sport page) I've noticed you ignored all of my questions in my previous post - I wonder why? So, to clarify yours & GGMI's points: - You dislike female pundits commenting on the mens game, because they're women who played in the women's game
- You dislike that despite an attendance that was 3-4 times larger than ours, it had more media attention
- You fail to give any credibility 60,000 fans sold 2 months in advance of a women's game, stating "they're practically giving them away for free" - GGMI even calls them "prawn sandwich supporters"
- You dislike an Ex-England international writing a blog and it being published as apparently 3rd article on the website, because she's a woman
- You 'believe the prominence of women's football is motivated by a desire to be politically correct'
But despite all of this, you don't have a problem with the women's game?
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 11, 2019 12:53:41 GMT
Jeez, you know there's actual porn on the internet these days guys?
Yes but that's far too obvious. I like my viewing a little more subtle..
Ah, I get it. You prefer it when you don't have the lady's consent.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 11, 2019 13:16:17 GMT
Come on GGMI they’re hardly shoving it in our faces. They’re promoting something which may impact on 50% of the population. I’d be more surprised if they weren’t doing this as a public provider with a charter and great wedge of money from the Government to do those things. We have a choice to read and watch or pass over to something else. I would have thought an increased interest in all types of football would benefit every club in the long run. And as with all competition it should make everyone else pull their socks up and look to produce a better quality product themselves, us included. UTG! I suspect Non-League weekend will barely get a mention either, despite average attendances in the National League being, I suspect, higher than WSL last season. Funny btw that you take last seasons NL average attendance, why don't you acknowledge the superb support of the woman's game? Btw, a quick google showed that average season ticket price in NL (in 2017) was about £13 a game (the average hugely brought up by Orient's ST prices which were roughly double the average), yet when the women's England Vs Germany game is on at £10-£15 you consider the tickets as "practically given away for free" Funny that...
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