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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:00:45 GMT
I had 2 quite long conversations with dc at development games. I asked him at half time at a game at yate town if he could help me out with the names of the players in the development team. He meticulously went through all the players names as well as giving information on them all which frankly impressed me. Regarding roady maybe dc was tired and on a certain occasion didnt give him the time of day or realise what a big wheel he was? These things can happen sometimes. The little gang on here must be really excited about the prospect of him getting sacked at walsall,maybe they will have a party to celebrate? I won’t celebrate but I know some ex players will. You can’t have a chat with Easter, Macca and Mildy but I also know why Easter came back for 3 of his players. But you can all ask one man why he was sent to work in a portacabin for a year and not spoken to in that time, why don’t you ask Mansell. The off the record interview which I know others on here have heard was was disrespectful and appalling. He lost the changing room, he lost the plot and he’s doing it again at Walsall. Notice how Widdrington stayed with Cogs, notice how a team 4 points adrift in December went on an incredible run with a different voice. I love the memories but I also think people deserve to be treated right and with respect, memories don’t cloud my judgement totally. He hated the loan market, loan players never liked playing for him either, Boateng, McBurnie, Bola, Roberts, Colkett, Jakubiak, all playing Div1 or better standard above, never given a proper chance. I don’t post from hearsay either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:22:23 GMT
I had 2 quite long conversations with dc at development games. I asked him at half time at a game at yate town if he could help me out with the names of the players in the development team. He meticulously went through all the players names as well as giving information on them all which frankly impressed me. Regarding roady maybe dc was tired and on a certain occasion didnt give him the time of day or realise what a big wheel he was? These things can happen sometimes. The little gang on here must be really excited about the prospect of him getting sacked at walsall,maybe they will have a party to celebrate? I won’t celebrate but I know some ex players will. You can’t have a chat with Easter, Macca and Mildy but I also know why Easter came back for 3 of his players. But you can all ask one man why he was sent to work in a portacabin for a year and not spoken to in that time, why don’t you ask Mansell. The off the record interview which I know others on here have heard was was disrespectful and appalling. He lost the changing room, he lost the plot and he’s doing it again at Walsall. Notice how Widdrington stayed with Cogs, notice how a team 4 points adrift in December went on an incredible run with a different voice. I love the memories but I also think people deserve to be treated right and with respect, memories don’t cloud my judgement totally. He hated the loan market, loan players never liked playing for him either, Boateng, McBurnie, Bola, Roberts, Colkett, Jakubiak, all playing Div1 or better standard above, never given a proper chance. I don’t post from hearsay either. What you just posted is the very epitome of hearsay.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 7:14:20 GMT
BluePrincess as I said, go and ask Mansell when you see him next, that will clarify the hearsay for you. Just off to Griffin Park now, they will be buzzing after last night.
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 29, 2019 7:30:48 GMT
I won’t celebrate but I know some ex players will. You can’t have a chat with Easter, Macca and Mildy but I also know why Easter came back for 3 of his players. But you can all ask one man why he was sent to work in a portacabin for a year and not spoken to in that time, why don’t you ask Mansell. The off the record interview which I know others on here have heard was was disrespectful and appalling. He lost the changing room, he lost the plot and he’s doing it again at Walsall. Notice how Widdrington stayed with Cogs, notice how a team 4 points adrift in December went on an incredible run with a different voice. I love the memories but I also think people deserve to be treated right and with respect, memories don’t cloud my judgement totally. He hated the loan market, loan players never liked playing for him either, Boateng, McBurnie, Bola, Roberts, Colkett, Jakubiak, all playing Div1 or better standard above, never given a proper chance. I don’t post from hearsay either. What you just posted is the very epitome of hearsay. I heard the recording that Paul is on about as well. And I was equally appalled and disappointed by it. He was however under increasing pressure and he snapped. That doesn’t excuse for what he said or not to act in a professional manner especially to the media of the club you represent. We all used to talk about DCs man management skills based on reports from players, and I’m sure he is very good at it, but that can only get you so far when desire doesn’t match ability for the league you are in and no amount of motivating speeches, rollockings, extra training or whatever will change a players absolute capability. DC lost that ability to man manage in L1 when the ability of his players hit a ceiling, and because he was so loyal to a certain few, which quite frankly, should have been released, he couldn’t accept that criticism and started to blame everyone else but himself. The season DC left was probably half a season too late, the rot had set in long before that as the form table suggests and just like city did with GJ and gave him a golden handshake, we should at the close of the previous year and rebuilt from preseason with a different man.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 8:21:44 GMT
But Gashead1981 I post hearsay, the recording was appalling and regardless of memories this club was formed in 1883 and as a manager of this club you have standards to uphold, no one is bigger than the club.
So I am sorry if I am spoiling some view and love for DC, I will never forget the memories either but he started to ruin them for me personally. His treatment of some of the BBC BRISTOL interviewers ar times lacked respect especially when these guys were just doing their jobs, it’s their livelihood.
He is now doing it again at Walsall, he hasn’t learned and it why he will never manage above Div1 unless his stops his nasty outspoken ways. He knows he can’t be rude to the media up there or knock the facilities but the players are taking the full brunt of it, he could hammer our board and media here because he had favour in the bank with our fans, he doesn’t up there. His issue will be not the sack, it will be of another man comes in again and does a Cogs with the same players and they go on a run, that will be damning.
Finally our £3.4 million loss was a lot down to him, so much of this is on the playing field. Mensah hasn’t stated a game for Maidenhead yet in the Conference, Payne £250k, Nicholls £360k, Jonny Burn now Northern League below Conf North, Bennett big wages.........£750k here on paid for fees, 16 players at Walsall this summer, Reilly at Cheltenham........he’s a great motivator at Conference and Salisbury level, our players and him had momentum so they went on a journey together but his signing of Gaffeny at Walsall summed it up for me, coaching badges, no contacts or an eye for a player in the league and Mike Bassett non league shouting at players, it doesn’t work when they are on good money.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 29, 2019 9:07:40 GMT
BluePrincess as I said, go and ask Mansell when you see him next, that will clarify the hearsay for you. Just off to Griffin Park now, they will be buzzing after last night. By all means have your opinion but don’t show disrespect to another poster because their opinion is different. Mods, I thought we were meant to comment on the post not the poster. That comment is nothing to do with the post. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 9:14:40 GMT
BluePrincess as I said, go and ask Mansell when you see him next, that will clarify the hearsay for you. Just off to Griffin Park now, they will be buzzing after last night. By all means have your opinion but don’t show disrespect to another poster because their opinion is different. Mods, I thought we were meant to comment on the post not the poster. That comment is nothing to do with the post. UTG! I’m sorry I see no respect at all when he says my posts are hearsay so you can wind your neck in as well. I’ve said ask Mansell, a lot of people know on here I work within football, I post the truth from what I am told first hand. And what are you the Forum Police? Get a life and let him defend his own battles.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 29, 2019 9:23:40 GMT
By all means have your opinion but don’t show disrespect to another poster because their opinion is different. Mods, I thought we were meant to comment on the post not the poster. That comment is nothing to do with the post. UTG! I’m sorry I see no respect at all when he says my posts are hearsay so you can wind your neck in as well. I’ve said ask Mansell, a lot of people know on here I work within football, I post the truth from what I am told first hand. And what are you the Forum Police? Get a life and let him defend his own battles. If you don’t think using his name in a different way isn’t showing disrespect I suspect you’re just showing the sameness disrespect you are accusing DC of. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 9:36:38 GMT
BluePrincess as I said, go and ask Mansell when you see him next, that will clarify the hearsay for you. Just off to Griffin Park now, they will be buzzing after last night. By all means have your opinion but don’t show disrespect to another poster because their opinion is different. Mods, I thought we were meant to comment on the post not the poster. That comment is nothing to do with the post. UTG! I dont mind being called "blueprincess" its an upgrade on "Banned word" to be honest
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 29, 2019 9:50:58 GMT
This really is pathetic - like a bunch of school girls in a playground — ask so and so - she said this about so and so — oh yes she did , oh no she didn’t —- does it really matter . Dc has gone , can’t we just concentrate on what’s happening (or not ) NOW ,. Utg
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 29, 2019 10:05:06 GMT
This really is pathetic - like a bunch of school girls in a playground — ask so and so - she said this about so and so — oh yes she did , oh no she didn’t —- does it really matter . Dc has gone , can’t we just concentrate on what’s happening (or not ) NOW ,. Utg Yep. This thread needs to fade away....and fast. It is embarrassing.
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Post by saddlesore on Oct 29, 2019 10:09:03 GMT
I had 2 quite long conversations with dc at development games. I asked him at half time at a game at yate town if he could help me out with the names of the players in the development team. He meticulously went through all the players names as well as giving information on them all which frankly impressed me. Regarding roady maybe dc was tired and on a certain occasion didnt give him the time of day or realise what a big wheel he was? These things can happen sometimes. The little gang on here must be really excited about the prospect of him getting sacked at walsall,maybe they will have a party to celebrate? That's great knowing every detail about all players at the club. However, if you can't manage those players very well it doesn't mean anything. I really thought we'd recruited well in Clarke and hopefully we'd see the manager you had early on, but it appears we have the post coaching badges version of DC. All possession, little attacking intent and little cohesiveness, with shot shy strikers so far. I'm always wary of managers that constantly go back for the same players - it shows they haven't got confidence in their own recruitment and management, and have little imagination. Justified on the tat he's signed for us so far. He can't use the excuse that its not his team, he signed almost every one. His "time to gel" comments are nonsense too as they'll never gel when he doesn't play the same team or formation two games on the trot. Even moreso when we had a winning run and then dropped the players that made a difference. Fellow Walsall fans are saying he needs more windows, but that suggests to me he'd make further poor signings and weaken us further. You'll never get consistent results with division 4 players of limited ability and intelligence by chopping and changing formation and players. They need a clear message and things to be made simple. Clarke is the complete opposite. To make things worse, his recent press outbursts smack of desperation and old school management which doesn't work with the modern snowflake players. He says he won't "cuddle" players. Thats what the namby pamby modern player needs unfortunately, and its a poor show if he can't recognise that. It seems to work for Klopp and Guardiola. Also decent managers of ANY era never criticise their players in public. I hope he turns it around, we win all remaining games and finish his favoured 7th place. At the moment I think there's more chance of him being sacked before Christmas.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 29, 2019 10:09:08 GMT
By all means have your opinion but don’t show disrespect to another poster because their opinion is different. Mods, I thought we were meant to comment on the post not the poster. That comment is nothing to do with the post. UTG! I dont mind being called "blueprincess" its an upgrade on "Banned word" to be honest I’m sure bb, we all need thick skins on here. Once they degenerate into calling you names you know you’ve won the point. Hey ho. 😉 UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 10:23:45 GMT
I dont mind being called "blueprincess" its an upgrade on "Banned word" to be honest I’m sure bb, we all need thick skins on here. Once they degenerate into calling you names you know you’ve won the point. Hey ho. 😉 UTG! There really are some unpleasant individuals on this forum. We are all supposed to be on the same side are we not? We have a few trolls, a few with their own agendas, a few have an over inflated opinion of the own importance and others just plain intolerant of other people’s opinions and resort to insults. UTG
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 29, 2019 10:39:58 GMT
BluePrincess as I said, go and ask Mansell when you see him next, that will clarify the hearsay for you. Just off to Griffin Park now, they will be buzzing after last night. By all means have your opinion but don’t show disrespect to another poster because their opinion is different. Mods, I thought we were meant to comment on the post not the poster. That comment is nothing to do with the post. UTG! Lost track of how many times I've pointed out that attacking the post and not the poster is just a guideline about good posting and not an actual rule. Don't be a dick should be a better guideline. Of course being a bit of a dick is pretty standard on here, and some posters are a bit of a dick quite often. To be honest, we can't really mod people for being a bit of a dick coz it's pretty common. And I think roady is quite proud of the fact that he's a bit of a dick. But unless you overstep the mark and start threatening people (when we will get rid of you) it's just par for the course, istm. In any case, let's just try to tone it down and have a more measured discussion, thanks.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 29, 2019 10:48:57 GMT
By all means have your opinion but don’t show disrespect to another poster because their opinion is different. Mods, I thought we were meant to comment on the post not the poster. That comment is nothing to do with the post. UTG! Lost track of how many times I've pointed out that attacking the post and not the poster is just a guideline about good posting and not an actual rule. Don't be a dick should be a better guideline. Of course being a bit of a dick is pretty standard on here, and some posters are a bit of a dick quite often. To be honest, we can't really mod people for being a bit of a dick coz it's pretty common. And I think roady is quite proud of the fact that he's a bit of a dick. But unless you overstep the mark and start threatening people (when we will get rid of you) it's just par for the course, istm. In any case, let's just try to tone it down and have a more measured discussion, thanks. and i've got i am the biggest dick of all
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 10:49:19 GMT
I dont mind being called "blueprincess" its an upgrade on "Banned word" to be honest I’m sure bb, we all need thick skins on here. Once they degenerate into calling you names you know you’ve won the point. Hey ho. 😉 UTG! Thick skins, it’s a fecking forum 😂😂😂😂 Thick skins, made me burst out in a laugher, BlueButterfly ain’t the Princess on here! That’s a pure Banned word post from you (banter) Lighten up.
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Post by justin blue on Oct 29, 2019 11:02:33 GMT
By all means have your opinion but don’t show disrespect to another poster because their opinion is different. Mods, I thought we were meant to comment on the post not the poster. That comment is nothing to do with the post. UTG! Lost track of how many times I've pointed out that attacking the post and not the poster is just a guideline about good posting and not an actual rule. Don't be a dick should be a better guideline. Of course being a bit of a dick is pretty standard on here, and some posters are a bit of a dick quite often. To be honest, we can't really mod people for being a bit of a dick coz it's pretty common. And I think roady is quite proud of the fact that he's a bit of a dick. But unless you overstep the mark and start threatening people (when we will get rid of you) it's just par for the course, istm. In any case, let's just try to tone it down and have a more measured discussion, thanks. So are you saying it's ok to attack a poster if you want to do it because you hold a position of authority on the forum but if anyone else does they are being a dick. I'm all for straight talking but you are supposed to at least try to uphold standards on this forum. The last sentence of your post does just that, but the rest is totally unnecessary imo.
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Post by aghast on Oct 29, 2019 11:17:26 GMT
I can't get too wound up about DC's press interviews.
He obviously hates doing them, even when we were doing well with him. He was bordering on, or was, downright rude to the interviewer on many occasions.
He's just not good at them. It's got nothing to do with his management. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be good at that either at the mo.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 29, 2019 11:37:13 GMT
Lost track of how many times I've pointed out that attacking the post and not the poster is just a guideline about good posting and not an actual rule. Don't be a dick should be a better guideline. Of course being a bit of a dick is pretty standard on here, and some posters are a bit of a dick quite often. To be honest, we can't really mod people for being a bit of a dick coz it's pretty common. And I think roady is quite proud of the fact that he's a bit of a dick. But unless you overstep the mark and start threatening people (when we will get rid of you) it's just par for the course, istm. In any case, let's just try to tone it down and have a more measured discussion, thanks. So are you saying it's ok to attack a poster if you want to do it because you hold a position of authority on the forum but if anyone else does they are being a dick. I'm all for straight talking but you are supposed to at least try to uphold standards on this forum. The last sentence of your post does just that, but the rest is totally unnecessary imo. No, read it again. What I'm saying is, although attack the post not the poster sounds like a reasonable route to a decent forum, it doesn't actually work that way in practice. Consider 'Bullshit' as a response to a reasonable post is inherently attacking the post and not the poster, but it is not an edifying response. Consider 'you keep posting that but offer no evidence' is a reasonable and edifying response (depending on the context) but does actually attack the poster and not the post. So as a general feel for good posting the phrase might have merit, but as a hard and fast rule it is useless. In addition, there's no way we're going to mod every little niggle and dig, it's not practical and I don't believe anyone really wants that in any case. So being a bit of a dick (and I've been a bit of a dick plenty of times in the past, so don't take this personally, anyone) is kinda acceptable through precedent and necessity, if not actually by design. Being a lot of a dick will be dealt with. Obviously (because it would be impossible to have it any other way) that line is only drawn when we see it and at an individual mod's discretion.
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