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Post by blueridge on Oct 29, 2019 11:43:20 GMT
I can't get too wound up about DC's press interviews. He obviously hates doing them, even when we were doing well with him. He was bordering on, or was, downright rude to the interviewer on many occasions. He's just not good at them. It's got nothing to do with his management. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be good at that either at the mo. Strangely - but I'm a tad old fashioned maybe - his disdainful, arrogant attitude to interviewers trying to do their job and his treatment of four Rovers stalwarts, more than anything cemented my personal opinion of him. I genuinely hope he is able to turn things around at Walsall, for the supporters of Walsall more than anything- unfortunately for DC on this occasion it appears he does not have the support from the fan base, which he had from the majority at BRFC.
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Post by saddlesore on Oct 29, 2019 11:47:58 GMT
I can't get too wound up about DC's press interviews. He obviously hates doing them, even when we were doing well with him. He was bordering on, or was, downright rude to the interviewer on many occasions. He's just not good at them. It's got nothing to do with his management. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be good at that either at the mo. The two are linked unfortunately. It's part of the job, and the attitude in front of the press is the part of a manager's personality. The same personality that will be shown in front of players and staff. If he shows lack of respect, frustration and unwillingness to cooperate then thats what players will face on a daily basis. No wonder they don't perform for him.
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Post by philbemmygas on Oct 29, 2019 12:31:30 GMT
I can't get too wound up about DC's press interviews. He obviously hates doing them, even when we were doing well with him. He was bordering on, or was, downright rude to the interviewer on many occasions. He's just not good at them. It's got nothing to do with his management. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be good at that either at the mo. The two are linked unfortunately. It's part of the job, and the attitude in front of the press is the part of a manager's personality. The same personality that will be shown in front of players and staff. If he shows lack of respect, frustration and unwillingness to cooperate then thats what players will face on a daily basis. No wonder they don't perform for him. Spot on mucker, just look at the "special one" as an example of that in a (not so) modern manager. Once things go pear shaped for him at a club; he loses the respect of the players and rounds on the press and his directors.
As a manager these days you need to keep the media onside; they can damage you're reputation in an instant.
Like many I hope DC can turn it round up there; but he needs to learn from past mistakes and quickly.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 29, 2019 12:35:15 GMT
By all means have your opinion but don’t show disrespect to another poster because their opinion is different. Mods, I thought we were meant to comment on the post not the poster. That comment is nothing to do with the post. UTG! Lost track of how many times I've pointed out that attacking the post and not the poster is just a guideline about good posting and not an actual rule. Don't be a dick should be a better guideline. Of course being a bit of a dick is pretty standard on here, and some posters are a bit of a dick quite often. To be honest, we can't really mod people for being a bit of a dick coz it's pretty common. And I think roady is quite proud of the fact that he's a bit of a dick. But unless you overstep the mark and start threatening people (when we will get rid of you) it's just par for the course, istm. In any case, let's just try to tone it down and have a more measured discussion, thanks. Fair enough AF. Wasn’t a dig at the mods, more an observation and your reply is far better. Thanks. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 13:08:08 GMT
I can't get too wound up about DC's press interviews. He obviously hates doing them, even when we were doing well with him. He was bordering on, or was, downright rude to the interviewer on many occasions. He's just not good at them. It's got nothing to do with his management. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be good at that either at the mo. Strangely - but I'm a tad old fashioned maybe - his disdainful, arrogant attitude to interviewers trying to do their job and his treatment of four Rovers stalwarts, more than anything cemented my personal opinion of him. I genuinely hope he is able to turn things around at Walsall, for the supporters of Walsall more than anything- unfortunately for DC on this occasion it appears he does not have the support from the fan base, which he had from the majority at BRFC. This is how I feel and SaddleSore and especially PhilBemmyGas are spot on, the saying in life, be nice to people on the way up as you will need them on the way down is so true of DC and I believe it’s why his off the record interview was leaked by the media..........he said “ask those f**kers upstairs” and also indicated Nichols would never recover from not scoring, I’m sorry if anyone of us on 4 weeks notice was recorded saying that about our bosses and an employee working under us we’d be out of a job and they still stood by him. A lot more goes on in football behind the scenes, he lost the plot and dressing room. Jaks scored a wonder goal at Swansea, Marcus Stewart publicly said on video “he needs to learn how to do tap ins and work on his game” no praise, he was never given a run, he wasn’t our employee, he was a young kid and no wonder Watford were incensed by this, Chelsea also said they would never give us a player again while DC was in charge. I am not trying to ruin the bloke, he left us in a right mess and he’s now carried on his arrogance and form to Walsall. You won’t see a real Cogs side until something like £8k is taken off the wage bull with Nichols and Bennett going, we still have the DC hangover. That’s 3 players to Cogs on the average Div1 players wage, you imagine 3 players to us now? For the record I hope Walsall stand by DC and he turns it around but if he keeps saying publicly, they will be another managers problem soon and some will be stacking shelves in Asda, I don’t see him doing it.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 29, 2019 15:43:24 GMT
I won’t celebrate but I know some ex players will. You can’t have a chat with Easter, Macca and Mildy but I also know why Easter came back for 3 of his players. But you can all ask one man why he was sent to work in a portacabin for a year and not spoken to in that time, why don’t you ask Mansell. The off the record interview which I know others on here have heard was was disrespectful and appalling. He lost the changing room, he lost the plot and he’s doing it again at Walsall. Notice how Widdrington stayed with Cogs, notice how a team 4 points adrift in December went on an incredible run with a different voice. I love the memories but I also think people deserve to be treated right and with respect, memories don’t cloud my judgement totally. He hated the loan market, loan players never liked playing for him either, Boateng, McBurnie, Bola, Roberts, Colkett, Jakubiak, all playing Div1 or better standard above, never given a proper chance. I don’t post from hearsay either. What you just posted is the very epitome of hearsay. Can you define 'Hearsay" for me please?
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Post by oldgas on Oct 29, 2019 15:52:25 GMT
Jesus Christ! You have a problem mate! Very clearly a club legend, very clearly one of our greatest ever managers and very clearly somehow managed to get under your skin very bizarrely! Like him, love him or loathe him.. All are fine, I just don't know why we still have to talk about him?! Yep. Anyone want to start a thread on Bert Tann, Malcolm Allison, Gerry Francis, etc etc. They, like DC, are also no longer at the club. 2 of them are deceased, and Gerry is probably too long ago for most fans to have known his stewardship of this club (the 1st time) DC is still relevant to a lot of our fans, who take a keen interstate in his progress. I hoped he would have success at Walsall after burning himself out with us. I hoped he would have learned from his mistakes but sadly, it would appear not. But hey-Ho, just criticise someone who has an opinion that you don't agree with. I didn't realise it was your forum.
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 29, 2019 15:55:08 GMT
Yep. Anyone want to start a thread on Bert Tann, Malcolm Allison, Gerry Francis, etc etc. They, like DC, are also no longer at the club. 2 of them are deceased, and Gerry is probably too long ago for most fans to have known his stewardship of this club (the 1st time) DC is still relevant to a lot of our fans, who take a keen interstate in his progress. I hoped he would have success at Walsall after burning himself out with us. I hoped he would have learned from his mistakes but sadly, it would appear not. But hey-Ho, just criticise someone who has an opinion that you don't agree with. I didn't realise it was your forum. Somewhat missing the point......by a country mile.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 29, 2019 15:55:15 GMT
BluePrincess as I said, go and ask Mansell when you see him next, that will clarify the hearsay for you. Just off to Griffin Park now, they will be buzzing after last night. By all means have your opinion but don’t show disrespect to another poster because their opinion is different. Mods, I thought we were meant to comment on the post not the poster. That comment is nothing to do with the post. UTG! I don't agree. It seems to me it has very thing to do with the thread and the post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 17:48:36 GMT
What you just posted is the very epitome of hearsay. Can you define 'Hearsay" for me please? look it up yourself if you don't know.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 29, 2019 18:46:42 GMT
I had 2 quite long conversations with dc at development games. I asked him at half time at a game at yate town if he could help me out with the names of the players in the development team. He meticulously went through all the players names as well as giving information on them all which frankly impressed me. Regarding roady maybe dc was tired and on a certain occasion didnt give him the time of day or realise what a big wheel he was? These things can happen sometimes. The little gang on here must be really excited about the prospect of him getting sacked at walsall,maybe they will have a party to celebrate? That's great knowing every detail about all players at the club. However, if you can't manage those players very well it doesn't mean anything. I really thought we'd recruited well in Clarke and hopefully we'd see the manager you had early on, but it appears we have the post coaching badges version of DC. All possession, little attacking intent and little cohesiveness, with shot shy strikers so far. I'm always wary of managers that constantly go back for the same players - it shows they haven't got confidence in their own recruitment and management, and have little imagination. Justified on the tat he's signed for us so far. He can't use the excuse that its not his team, he signed almost every one. His "time to gel" comments are nonsense too as they'll never gel when he doesn't play the same team or formation two games on the trot. Even moreso when we had a winning run and then dropped the players that made a difference. Fellow Walsall fans are saying he needs more windows, but that suggests to me he'd make further poor signings and weaken us further. You'll never get consistent results with division 4 players of limited ability and intelligence by chopping and changing formation and players. They need a clear message and things to be made simple. Clarke is the complete opposite. To make things worse, his recent press outbursts smack of desperation and old school management which doesn't work with the modern snowflake players. He says he won't "cuddle" players. Thats what the namby pamby modern player needs unfortunately, and its a poor show if he can't recognise that. It seems to work for Klopp and Guardiola. Also decent managers of ANY era never criticise their players in public. I hope he turns it around, we win all remaining games and finish his favoured 7th place. At the moment I think there's more chance of him being sacked before Christmas. Well Saddlesore, it would appear you have Sussed DC's management style and recognised his failings a lot quicker than some of our fans! I honestly think that some are so entrenched in their belief he is the second Messiah, they would be happy if he was still with us, got us relegated instead of you, and have us struggling at the wrong end of league 2. Theywould probably be quite happy if we got relegated to the Conference, because "Good old DC will get us promoted first time, just like before"! Its all a bit like " What have The Romans ever done for us" but in reverse! Best of luck for the rest of the season, with DC in charge I think you're going to need it.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 29, 2019 18:54:51 GMT
2 of them are deceased, and Gerry is probably too long ago for most fans to have known his stewardship of this club (the 1st time) DC is still relevant to a lot of our fans, who take a keen interstate in his progress. I hoped he would have success at Walsall after burning himself out with us. I hoped he would have learned from his mistakes but sadly, it would appear not. But hey-Ho, just criticise someone who has an opinion that you don't agree with. I didn't realise it was your forum. Somewhat missing the point......by a country mile. I don't think so. DC is still very real to present fans, and that's why this thread has now run to the number of pages it has. I suspect if someone were to start a thread on Bert Tann it would perhaps get a comment from the club historian. Missing the point by a country mile? I think my comment was bang on the nose.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 18:56:34 GMT
Can you define 'Hearsay" for me please? look it up yourself if you don't know. Hear'Say were a British pop group. They were created through the ITV reality TV show Popstars in February 2001, the first UK series of the international Popstars franchise. The group, who were signed to Polydor Records, originally consisted of Danny Foster, Myleene Klass, Kym Marsh, Suzanne Shaw, and Noel Sullivan. Sullivan is originally from Cardiff, Wales and Marsh is from Wigan, but the other members originate from London, England. Hear'Say achieved instant fame, breaking chart records with their debut single "Pure and Simple" and the album Popstars. However, their second album failed to match this success. In January 2002, Marsh left Hear'Say due to conflicts with Klass and Sullivan. She was replaced by former Boom! member Johnny Shentall a month later. During a summer promotional tour, Hear'Say were constantly harassed by members of the public. "Lovin' Is Easy," the group's only single to be released with Shentall, failed to make a commercial impact. Hear'Say announced their split in October 2002, twenty months after their formation, citing "abuse from the public" as the main reason for their demise. Since the dissolution of the band, the members have had individual success in acting, presenting, and singing. I’m so Dam helpful!
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 29, 2019 19:00:23 GMT
Somewhat missing the point......by a country mile. I don't think so. DC is still very real to present fans, and that's why this thread has now run to the number of pages it has. I suspect if someone were to start a thread on Bert Tann it would perhaps get a comment from the club historian. Missing the point by a country mile? I think my comment was bang on the nose. Whatever.....
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Post by oldgas on Oct 29, 2019 19:00:41 GMT
Can you define 'Hearsay" for me please? look it up yourself if you don't know. I know very well the definition of Hearsay. If you're confident of your accusation, please, for the benefit of everyone interested in the thread, write it on a post and then explain how Roadie's post is the epitome of Hearsay, and your reasons for claiming this. I eagerly await your response.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 19:07:22 GMT
look it up yourself if you don't know. I know very well the definition of Hearsay. If you're confident of your accusation, please, for the benefit of everyone interested in the thread, write it on a post and then explain how Roadie's post is the epitome of Hearsay, and your reasons for claiming this. I eagerly await your response. Roady's post implied that easter,mildenhall,"macca" and mansell all had some dark axe to grind with dc,gossiping about mansell being forced into a portacabin or something equally absurd. All that is quite clearly hearsay.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 19:38:25 GMT
I know very well the definition of Hearsay. If you're confident of your accusation, please, for the benefit of everyone interested in the thread, write it on a post and then explain how Roadie's post is the epitome of Hearsay, and your reasons for claiming this. I eagerly await your response. Roady's post implied that easter,mildenhall,"macca" and mansell all had some dark axe to grind with dc,gossiping about mansell being forced into a portacabin or something equally absurd. All that is quite clearly hearsay. Well you are truly back to being a Banned word again, proper sh**ter behaviour. (I await the sirens and forum Police, thick skins 😂👍) All of them were treated terrible which they were, Easter got his revenge, one day you will get chance I’m sure to ask one of them. BUT the bit that gets me, the portacabin bit, ask him yourself, he was sent to work in this which he accepted and wasn’t happy with, what upset him was DC not speaking to him for a year while he was in it. Don’t be a Banned word and say I’m am lying, you are saying this because you are saying it’s hearsay from me, ask him yourself. And is the off the record conversation hearsay which I still have in my possession and others like Gashead81 have heard? I think if we went to court pal my defence team would wipe the floor with you, actually I’d defend myself with my evidence and call on a witness for a statement as well..........I’m sure the judge would tell me off for calling you a Banned word
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 29, 2019 19:41:52 GMT
Roady's post implied that easter,mildenhall,"macca" and mansell all had some dark axe to grind with dc,gossiping about mansell being forced into a portacabin or something equally absurd. All that is quite clearly hearsay. Well you are truly back to being a Banned word again, proper sh**ter behaviour. (I await the sirens and forum Police, thick skins 😂👍) All of them were treated terrible which they were, Easter got his revenge, one day you will get chance I’m sure to ask one of them. BUT the bit that gets me, the portacabin bit, ask him yourself, he was sent to work in this which he accepted and wasn’t happy with, what upset him was DC not speaking to him for a year while he was in it. Don’t be a Banned word and say I’m am lying, you are saying this because you are saying it’s hearsay from me, ask him yourself. And is the off the record conversation hearsay which I still have in my possession and others like Gashead81 have heard? I think if we went to court pal my defence team would wipe the floor with you, actually I’d defend myself with my evidence and call on a witness for a statement as well..........I’m sure the judge would tell me off for calling you a Banned word Hearsay just means it's unsubstantiated (which plainly it is and which you implicitly agree with by your acknowledgement that a witness would be required), nothing to do with whether it's true or false, or whether you're lying.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 19:49:47 GMT
Roady's post implied that easter,mildenhall,"macca" and mansell all had some dark axe to grind with dc,gossiping about mansell being forced into a portacabin or something equally absurd. All that is quite clearly hearsay. Well you are truly back to being a Banned word again, proper sh**ter behaviour. (I await the sirens and forum Police, thick skins 😂👍) All of them were treated terrible which they were, Easter got his revenge, one day you will get chance I’m sure to ask one of them. BUT the bit that gets me, the portacabin bit, ask him yourself, he was sent to work in this which he accepted and wasn’t happy with, what upset him was DC not speaking to him for a year while he was in it. Don’t be a Banned word and say I’m am lying, you are saying this because you are saying it’s hearsay from me, ask him yourself. And is the off the record conversation hearsay which I still have in my possession and others like Gashead81 have heard? I think if we went to court pal my defence team would wipe the floor with you, actually I’d defend myself with my evidence and call on a witness for a statement as well..........I’m sure the judge would tell me off for calling you a Banned word You obviously have some sort of grudge against dc but your gossiping "news of the world" type revelations really are beyond the pale. Not only that but they are of no interest to me at all. All i know is the dc era was for the most part a fantastic time with some fine players and brilliant football. Nobody can dispute things went wrong towards the end of his time at the club but why on earth would any rovers fan want to downplay his achievements and blacken his name with gutter tripe petty stories?
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Post by lpgas on Oct 29, 2019 19:51:37 GMT
Nothing, and yet everything surprises me.
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