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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 30, 2019 23:12:48 GMT
Well, that’s because the al quad is .have absolutely zero ambition for the club - that’s why the club Isnt developing - Dc was quite right to voice his frustrations at what was NOT being delivered .utg But the club is developing now dc has gone GC is doing wonders also GC knows how to handle the transfer market upwards and onwards I hope your right - GC . But you can’t seriously have any faith in the al quadi’s , surely ? Utg
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Oct 31, 2019 1:09:08 GMT
Took a break Jules, only commentating on football now and what I get told from my career working in football. Keeping off the politics of fruit market and all that, hands up, I don’t know much on this but I have heard there are off the record feelers out there with Bristol City up for sale. I do know Boro have watched Jonson a lot this season, heard that again at Brentford yesterday as well. Hope you are well mate, wondered how your health was, haven’t seen you at the Mem this season. Will DM you
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Post by Icegas on Oct 31, 2019 1:53:18 GMT
But the club is developing now dc has gone GC is doing wonders also GC knows how to handle the transfer market upwards and onwards I hope your right - GC . But you can’t seriously have any faith in the al quadi’s , surely ? Utg Meh...On the field we are doing ok with a def minded coach/Manager that has pulled results out of the bag by having a good GK,3 good CBs and a very good Goalscorer for L1. Not being funny,and I hope Im wrong but that luck/tactics will be found out soon by other teams. 3 of our best players were his sigings tho! Our style of play sucks,but to say GC is doing wonders is a joke.Im a GC fan,for what he has done here so far.But even tho the Mem is a shambles our fanbase is that of a top 6 - L1 club so we are where we should be,or aiming for at the very least..
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Oct 31, 2019 7:52:24 GMT
fact ~ boring thread opinion ~ boring thread hearsay ~ boring thread Your right. The problem i have is when posters attack the previous manager in what i consider to be an unfair way i cannot help but respond. In retrospect the best thing to do is to not respond of course. Time to let it go, let it go. Breaking up is never easy I know.
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Post by saddlesore on Oct 31, 2019 9:42:28 GMT
Looking at the Walsall fans forum, many posters are disenchanted with the current squad. Apparently, in the summer DC cleared out just about the entire squad and replaced them with a new set of players. The new players, according to the fans, are vastly inferior to the players they replaced. Last season they had a failing L1 squad. Now they've got a failing L2 squad. On the positive side, Clarke and Sinclair are regarded as good recruits. However, Gaffney is not pulling up any trees. The current squad at Walsall has been recruited by DC and appears very lacklustre. Of course, DC may be working with a limited budget and his recruitment is a direct result of the minimal resources at his disposal. UTG Sinclair is OK, but is an identical player to our own youth product Liam Kinsella who has consistently performed at L1 level and is on lower wages. You could argue if DC knew the league and our players, or took the time to look what he already had he wouldn't have needed to sign Sinclair. I can't agree with my fellow Walsall fans about Clarke. Is he terrible? No. Has he scored some superb goals? Yes, although I prefer defenders to get that bit right first. Is he a solid defender that doesn't make mistakes? Not at all. We've had much better players at L1 level that weren't made captain and again weren't tempted on decent money to join us. Oddly, compared to most I think Gaffney has potential but has put in some shockers. He can link the play well if he's on it, but there's not much around him to link with, such is the unbalanced squad that DC has built. I agree managers should go for the right type of character and personality, but not to the detriment of talent and type of players available. For example we have four strikers whose all round game is OK, but none are clinical finishers. We had one hard working striker that with the right partner would excel at this level, and a good kid that Clarke hasn't even considered and sent out on loan. Instead of getting one decent forward in, he's bought three average ones in. Yet some fans say the budget is rubbish - its how you use it that counts. Our budget isn't usually great at L1 but its OK for L2 level. Regardless of what it is or isn't, its still always about management and we've recruited some great successful managers that have turned water into wine. DC is turning water into water right now.
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Post by axegas on Oct 31, 2019 10:21:57 GMT
Looking at the Walsall fans forum, many posters are disenchanted with the current squad. Apparently, in the summer DC cleared out just about the entire squad and replaced them with a new set of players. The new players, according to the fans, are vastly inferior to the players they replaced. Last season they had a failing L1 squad. Now they've got a failing L2 squad. On the positive side, Clarke and Sinclair are regarded as good recruits. However, Gaffney is not pulling up any trees. The current squad at Walsall has been recruited by DC and appears very lacklustre. Of course, DC may be working with a limited budget and his recruitment is a direct result of the minimal resources at his disposal. UTG Sinclair is OK, but is an identical player to our own youth product Liam Kinsella who has consistently performed at L1 level and is on lower wages. You could argue if DC knew the league and our players, or took the time to look what he already had he wouldn't have needed to sign Sinclair. I can't agree with my fellow Walsall fans about Clarke. Is he terrible? No. Has he scored some superb goals? Yes, although I prefer defenders to get that bit right first. Is he a solid defender that doesn't make mistakes? Not at all. We've had much better players at L1 level that weren't made captain and again weren't tempted on decent money to join us. Oddly, compared to most I think Gaffney has potential but has put in some shockers. He can link the play well if he's on it, but there's not much around him to link with, such is the unbalanced squad that DC has built. I agree managers should go for the right type of character and personality, but not to the detriment of talent and type of players available. For example we have four strikers whose all round game is OK, but none are clinical finishers. We had one hard working striker that with the right partner would excel at this level, and a good kid that Clarke hasn't even considered and sent out on loan. Instead of getting one decent forward in, he's bought three average ones in. Yet some fans say the budget is rubbish - its how you use it that counts. Our budget isn't usually great at L1 but its OK for L2 level. Regardless of what it is or isn't, its still always about management and we've recruited some great successful managers that have turned water into wine. DC is turning water into water right now. I find this rather ironic as at Rovers, James Clarke was always considered to be a solid defensive player that got the defensive part of his game right first and was never known for his attacking ability. He certainly never looked out of place when on occasion he played at CB in league one, a lot of our fans were disappointed to see him go in the summer. What I’d say about Gaffney, is just to stick with him. I’m not sure how he got on at Salford but he had a decent goal record with us in league two and at times can show some outstanding technical ability when he gets on the ball. Never quite managed to make it in league one but more than good enough for league two.
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Post by saddlesore on Oct 31, 2019 10:37:51 GMT
Sinclair is OK, but is an identical player to our own youth product Liam Kinsella who has consistently performed at L1 level and is on lower wages. You could argue if DC knew the league and our players, or took the time to look what he already had he wouldn't have needed to sign Sinclair. I can't agree with my fellow Walsall fans about Clarke. Is he terrible? No. Has he scored some superb goals? Yes, although I prefer defenders to get that bit right first. Is he a solid defender that doesn't make mistakes? Not at all. We've had much better players at L1 level that weren't made captain and again weren't tempted on decent money to join us. Oddly, compared to most I think Gaffney has potential but has put in some shockers. He can link the play well if he's on it, but there's not much around him to link with, such is the unbalanced squad that DC has built. I agree managers should go for the right type of character and personality, but not to the detriment of talent and type of players available. For example we have four strikers whose all round game is OK, but none are clinical finishers. We had one hard working striker that with the right partner would excel at this level, and a good kid that Clarke hasn't even considered and sent out on loan. Instead of getting one decent forward in, he's bought three average ones in. Yet some fans say the budget is rubbish - its how you use it that counts. Our budget isn't usually great at L1 but its OK for L2 level. Regardless of what it is or isn't, its still always about management and we've recruited some great successful managers that have turned water into wine. DC is turning water into water right now. I find this rather ironic as at Rovers, James Clarke was always considered to be a solid defensive player that got the defensive part of his game right first and was never known for his attacking ability. He certainly never looked out of place when on occasion he played at CB in league one, a lot of our fans were disappointed to see him go in the summer. What I’d say about Gaffney, is just to stick with him. I’m not sure how he got on at Salford but he had a decent goal record with us in league two and at times can show some outstanding technical ability when he gets on the ball. Never quite managed to make it in league one but more than good enough for league two. I'm sure Clarke can be a decent defender but is suffering from Clarke's tinkering. One game at full back the next at centre back, ad finitum. I doubt he's played in the same back four more than a couple of times this season. The first rule of management - keep a settled defence when possible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 11:55:55 GMT
SaddleSore here is why I am worried for you and why I think DC is finished as a league manager...........
He was lucky when we went down to the Conference that he had 12 months as a No2 to work out which players be wanted to keep and the one with good attitudes etc. With this in hand he added to knowledge he had from Salisbury and formed an exceptional side built on leaders like Mildy, Macca, Parkes, Brown, etc who would have got in any League 2 side if they hadn’t stayed with us in the Conference.
With you guys he’s come in and not had this knowledge. His issue and demise with us wasn’t the selling of strikers, plenty of managers find them again. His issue was he couldn’t replace his experienced players and generals, Hartley replaced Macca, Puddy and series of other terrible keepers for Mildy, Hartley for Macca, THD injured for Brown with Kelly, Nichols for Taylor...........he’s signed 16 players for you but I could have told you the major rot and evidence of an eye for a player was in place 18 months before he left us.
Clarke is terrible in the transfer market, Nichols, Payne, Burn, Mensah, Bennett, Smith GK, Slocombe, he hated using highly rated kids in the loan market, McBurnie, Roberts, Colkett, Boateng, Clarke Salter, Bola, all playing better levels now, all had confidence destroyed and let’s go onto Jakubiak.
My advice is all is not lost for you, Coughlan proved this a new man will take the same players up the league. The quicker DC is put out of his misery the better for all parties, I really envisage you getting a battering at Swindon Saturday.
DC will do again another fantastic job taking a Conference side to promotion and maybe next season, he knows too many good players who can succeed at this level. He will win promotion again and with momentum succeed again but this is where it ends, when he has to rebuild again.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 31, 2019 12:03:58 GMT
That’s DC though, he likes his “projects”, playing different systems and tinkering. At his best he was good at it and in League 2 he had Taylor, Bodin, Harrison and Lines in midfield who once they settled into League 2 and once he’d sorted out a poor home form early really combined to make a very good team. Unfortunately he was unable to replace any of them successfully. He was able to tinker with the quality of some of the players we had but once they went and being in League 1 we needed a better quality. His recruitment at the end wasn’t the best. I hope he does it for you. UTG!
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Post by lpgas on Oct 31, 2019 15:11:20 GMT
But the club is developing now dc has gone GC is doing wonders also GC knows how to handle the transfer market upwards and onwards I hope your right - GC . But you can’t seriously have any faith in the al quadi’s , surely ? Utg Paying out an extra £1.75million a season...yes
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Post by lpgas on Oct 31, 2019 15:14:53 GMT
That’s DC though, he likes his “projects”, playing different systems and tinkering. At his best he was good at it and in League 2 he had Taylor, Bodin, Harrison and Lines in midfield who once they settled into League 2 and once he’d sorted out a poor home form early really combined to make a very good team. Unfortunately he was unable to replace any of them successfully. He was able to tinker with the quality of some of the players we had but once they went and being in League 1 we needed a better quality. His recruitment at the end wasn’t the best. I hope he does it for you. UTG! He was lucky at that time that all these players arrived at the same time, and a large number of players stayed . Bodin for example asked for a trial after a long injury, he is mates with Harrison (who did the asking apparently). Lines, well it suited him to come back to Bristol and I suspect we pay more that Port Vale
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 31, 2019 15:24:17 GMT
That’s DC though, he likes his “projects”, playing different systems and tinkering. At his best he was good at it and in League 2 he had Taylor, Bodin, Harrison and Lines in midfield who once they settled into League 2 and once he’d sorted out a poor home form early really combined to make a very good team. Unfortunately he was unable to replace any of them successfully. He was able to tinker with the quality of some of the players we had but once they went and being in League 1 we needed a better quality. His recruitment at the end wasn’t the best. I hope he does it for you. UTG! He was lucky at that time that all these players arrived at the same time, and a large number of players stayed . Bodin for example asked for a trial after a long injury, he is mates with Harrison (who did the asking apparently). Lines, well it suited him to come back to Bristol and I suspect we pay more that Port Vale Yes, agree it’s what I said. I guess you could argue whether he was lucky but at that level he collected together a team of players who were good at that level, Conference and added Bodin to it in League 2 to replace Monkhouse. UTG!
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Post by wilmslowgas on Oct 31, 2019 18:02:20 GMT
I don't know whether DC was lucky or not in the early years. The reality is that he assembled a strong squad of players that achieved consecutive promotions from the Conference and L2.
Generally speaking the momentum of consecutive promotions carried the same squad to a successful mid table position in L1. Next season, in the second half of the season things started to drift for DC and some very questionable players were acquir d during the season. In truth, the squad that was a powerhouse in L1 had either aged or proved simply inadequate for the higher standards required.
In my opinion, you don't suddenly become a bad manager. DC achieved great things at Rovers and should be remembered for that. Sadly, the final few months were not good --- a fate that eventually befalls the vast majority of football clubs.
Stay with him Walsall. He has a proven track record in L2. Give him time and the appropriate resources to do the job that you want.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 19:34:33 GMT
He was so lucky that dc bloke. Unbelievable luck signing/retaining all those players in the conference season that were still regulars when we finished 10th in league one. Amazing luck to get out of the conference after luton,lincoln,darlington,stockport,hartlepool and torquay took years to get out of or are still there. Then he got stupid luck getting promoted again. Surely going up 2 divisions would screw him him,i mean look at tranmere this season. But no he only got lucky again and had 2 good seasons in league one. Still his luck ran out after that which has brought immense pleasure to several posters on here. Who needs the OTIB to put our club down when gaschat can do the job?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 19:53:29 GMT
Who needs the OTIB to put our club down when gaschat can do the job? Game set and match, I knew I would get this Banned word to bite and make an irrational, emotional and wrong post eventually 😂👏🏻 Find one post on mine on this thread where I knock Bristol Rovers Football Club, a current player and Coughlan the manager? I am a season ticket holder of 23 years, I do a 200 mile round trip to every home game and go to 75% of our away games as well. I support a club formed in 1883 so I defend it and this individual never showed this club any honour in media interviews and his off the record interview is a DISGRACE. You support Darrell Clarke FC but don’t you ever ever question my support for this club, you have proven you are a total sh**ter with that comment above. I’ve also played for the Forum football side raising money for charity, I love this club and don’t ever question me on it again.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Oct 31, 2019 19:55:55 GMT
Please don't put me in the camp of those who take pleasure in the downfall of DC. I try to give a balanced assessment of his record at Rovers. Over the period of his managership he achieved great success playing attractive football with a group of players who were fully committed to him and the fans.
Sadly, it went wrong at the end of his tenure and the final months of his managerial reign were not happy. If he ever returns to Rovers as a visiting manager he will get a big cheer from me. It would be churlish to do anything else.
I'm not sure I would have the same generosity of spirit towards some recent ex-players upon their return to the Mem....
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 31, 2019 20:01:08 GMT
Who needs the OTIB to put our club down when gaschat can do the job? Game set and match, I knew I would get this Banned word to bite and make an irrational, emotional and wrong post eventually 😂👏🏻 Find one post on mine on this thread where I knock Bristol Rovers Football Club, a current player and Coughlan the manager? I am a season ticket holder of 23 years, I do a 200 mile round trip to every home game and go to 75% of our away games as well. I support a club formed in 1883 so I defend it and this individual never showed this club any honour in media interviews and his off the record interview is a DISGRACE. You support Darrell Clarke FC but don’t you ever ever question my support for this club, you have proven you are a total sh**ter with that comment above. I’ve also played for the Forum football side raising money for charity, I love this club and don’t ever question me on it again.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 31, 2019 20:03:59 GMT
Why on earth do you want to say things to make certain people BITE — that statement alone deduces a distinct lack of maturity ☹️ Utg
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 20:13:53 GMT
Why on earth do you want to say things to make certain people BITE — that statement alone deduces a distinct lack of maturity ☹️ Utg Because I enjoy it, when he says “hearsay” he doesn’t say it from the angle of the dictionary, he says it like it’s a rumour or I’ve heard gossip, my information is substantiated and in many cases from the horse’s mouth. When I mention the off the record conversation which I have in my possession and others have heard and backed up on this thread, he doesn’t say “well I haven’t heard it, that may be of interest? Or are you telling the truth, or what does he say?” He just puts hearsay. He’s said I also have personal vendetta against DC, so yeah I enjoy winding him up. Please don’t question my maturity, you don’t know me either, your maturity might be a total different perception to others.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 31, 2019 20:28:25 GMT
What a horrible thread.
I cant decide if I should ban people for being dicks or just delete my account.
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