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Post by aghast on Nov 3, 2019 18:39:58 GMT
How did we get ourselves in this situation?
We got the full ownership of the Mem perfectly legally for next to nothing when Bristol Rugby became insolvent. It was adequate for the short term, and ripe for redevelopment, or selling for housing to part-fund a new stadium.
Instead here we are 23 years after we moved in with debts about as large as assets, the stadium rotting away (despite cosmetic improvements), and millions spent on abortive attempts to sort it out. Planners, consultants and lawyers have done very well out of us.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 3, 2019 20:47:24 GMT
The Championship is really rich at the top end. Then whoever comes down from the PL. But it is not quite all about the money at that level, YET. Get a few things right. Have some luck and you can do well there. If we are talking about things being equal, We are bigger than a few teams in there. I am looking up rather than down re our future. That’s very optimistic of you - but I can’t see what you base that optimism on ? Utg
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 22:08:30 GMT
The Championship is really rich at the top end. Then whoever comes down from the PL. But it is not quite all about the money at that level, YET. Get a few things right. Have some luck and you can do well there. If we are talking about things being equal, We are bigger than a few teams in there. I am looking up rather than down re our future. Who are the championship teams that we are "bigger than"?
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Post by craggo on Nov 3, 2019 22:19:22 GMT
The Championship is really rich at the top end. Then whoever comes down from the PL. But it is not quite all about the money at that level, YET. Get a few things right. Have some luck and you can do well there. If we are talking about things being equal, We are bigger than a few teams in there. I am looking up rather than down re our future. Who are the championship teams that we are "bigger than"? Preston QPR Fulham Charlton Brentford Millwall Blackburn Wigan Luton Barnsley. The enemies. And some that have been in that division in the past.
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Post by aghast on Nov 3, 2019 22:24:25 GMT
Who are the championship teams that we are "bigger than"? Preston QPR Fulham Charlton Brentford Millwall Blackburn Wigan Luton Barnsley. The enemies. And some that have been in that division in the past. That's quite a list. You forgot Reading on that list of teams who have left us for dead. I might, just might, give you Luton Town, but you are living in a parallel universe if you think we are anywhere near the rest of them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 22:27:19 GMT
Who are the championship teams that we are "bigger than"? Preston QPR Fulham Charlton Brentford Millwall Blackburn Wigan Luton Barnsley. The enemies. And some that have been in that division in the past. If you were replying to the question 25 years ago i would agree but its pure fantasy in 2019. Luton i suppose is one.
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Post by craggo on Nov 3, 2019 22:28:33 GMT
Trust me lads, We ARE bigger than Wigan. I live here.
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Post by bristolsfinestever on Nov 4, 2019 6:50:38 GMT
Who are the championship teams that we are "bigger than"? Preston QPR Fulham Charlton Brentford Millwall Blackburn Wigan Luton Barnsley. The enemies. And some that have been in that division in the past. Out of interest, what criteria do you base your assessment on? History, attendance, catchment, facilities, recent success? Just interested to see whether there are differentials in why you think bigger.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 4, 2019 7:24:21 GMT
Who are the championship teams that we are "bigger than"? Preston QPR Fulham Charlton Brentford Millwall Blackburn Wigan Luton Barnsley. The enemies. And some that have been in that division in the past. You are either on a wind up or completely deluded I'm afraid. To say we could compete with those teams if given the right infrastructure and investment would be a fair statement. To say we're bigger than any of them is ludicrous and I include Brentford and Luton in that. Some people forget that these teams have enormous potential support bases due to their location, and the only reason their attendances have been similar to ours over the years is because their stadiums are old and naff, albeit not quite as bad as the Mem. The rest are bigger than us in every way you can measure. Historical position, historical attendances, historical achievements, recent attendances and league position, and facilities. May I remind you that Blackburn won the Premier League in 1995? I'm all for optimism and I do believe we could conceivably compete at that level just like Brighton and Swansea did when they first went up, provided we get the off the field issues sorted. However, in our current state we don't stand a chance aside from the odd one-off game or perhaps a one-off season like Burton. Brentford have been able to compete by spending unsustainably but also doing very well at recruitment. Millwall, Barnsley and Luton are all on borrowed time at that level, and all are currently bigger than us.
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Post by bristolsfinestever on Nov 4, 2019 8:07:23 GMT
Preston QPR Fulham Charlton Brentford Millwall Blackburn Wigan Luton Barnsley. The enemies. And some that have been in that division in the past. You are either on a wind up or completely deluded I'm afraid. To say we could compete with those teams if given the right infrastructure and investment would be a fair statement. To say we're bigger than any of them is ludicrous and I include Brentford and Luton in that. Some people forget that these teams have enormous potential support bases due to their location, and the only reason their attendances have been similar to ours over the years is because their stadiums are old and naff, albeit not quite as bad as the Mem. The rest are bigger than us in every way you can measure. Historical position, historical attendances, historical achievements, recent attendances and league position, and facilities. May I remind you that Blackburn won the Premier League in 1995? I'm all for optimism and I do believe we could conceivably compete at that level just like Brighton and Swansea did when they first went up, provided we get the off the field issues sorted. However, in our current state we don't stand a chance aside from the odd one-off game or perhaps a one-off season like Burton. Brentford have been able to compete by spending unsustainably but also doing very well at recruitment. Millwall, Barnsley and Luton are all on borrowed time at that level, and all are currently bigger than us. Glad it wasn't just me ... think you are spot on here.
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Post by peterparker on Nov 4, 2019 8:21:25 GMT
How did we get ourselves in this situation? We got the full ownership of the Mem perfectly legally for next to nothing when Bristol Rugby became insolvent. It was adequate for the short term, and ripe for redevelopment, or selling for housing to part-fund a new stadium. Instead here we are 23 years after we moved in with debts about as large as assets, the stadium rotting away (despite cosmetic improvements), and millions spent on abortive attempts to sort it out. Planners, consultants and lawyers have done very well out of us. because we have never had any money
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 4, 2019 11:02:30 GMT
Preston QPR Fulham Charlton Brentford Millwall Blackburn Wigan Luton Barnsley. The enemies. And some that have been in that division in the past. If you were replying to the question 25 years ago i would agree but its pure fantasy in 2019. Luton i suppose is one. And Luton only if you forget that currently they are averaging higher attendances than us, they have played 19 top flight seasons and won the League Cup whilst we were at Twerton. I think the brutally honest answer is that we are smaller than every one of those listed clubs, based on historical and current evidence. They’re all currently above us, they all have bigger attendances than us and they have all played at some point in the top flight.
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Post by tomylil on Nov 4, 2019 11:15:13 GMT
Who are the championship teams that we are "bigger than"? Preston QPR Fulham Charlton Brentford Millwall Blackburn Wigan Luton Barnsley. The enemies. And some that have been in that division in the past. Are you serious or is that a massive whoosh ? All of those clubs are bigger than us. They get bigger crowds, have (or will soon have) better grounds and apart from Millwall Luton and Brentford have played in the Premier League. Blackburn won it ffs and Wigan won the FA cup not that long ago. We haven't averaged 5 figure gates for 40 years so where does this assumption that we are some kind of big club come from - surely not the one off day tripper 40,000 to Wemberley ?
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Post by gasincider on Nov 4, 2019 11:17:50 GMT
I don't understand how clubs can spend up to 200% of their turnover on wages! I guess SCMP/FFP rules are fairly toothless in the Championship. Same rules as ever. But if an owner wishes to spend millions on his club, that is ok, as long as he doesn't call for it back. If it's a loan, he can't do it. Hence why Guernsey boy chucks millions at it and it doesn't matter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 11:24:26 GMT
How did we get ourselves in this situation? We got the full ownership of the Mem perfectly legally for next to nothing when Bristol Rugby became insolvent. It was adequate for the short term, and ripe for redevelopment, or selling for housing to part-fund a new stadium. Instead here we are 23 years after we moved in with debts about as large as assets, the stadium rotting away (despite cosmetic improvements), and millions spent on abortive attempts to sort it out. Planners, consultants and lawyers have done very well out of us. We actually acquired the whole ownership for its then valuation as a stadium. These days the figures we talk about is the valuation as a building plot which is totally different.
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Post by gasincider on Nov 4, 2019 11:29:38 GMT
However, in our current state we don't stand a chance aside from the odd one-off game or perhaps a one-off season like Burton. Dead right, albeit didn't Burton stay up for a short while?
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Post by Jomo on Nov 4, 2019 12:31:20 GMT
However, in our current state we don't stand a chance aside from the odd one-off game or perhaps a one-off season like Burton. Dead right, albeit didn't Burton stay up for a short while? They stayed up in the first season and then got relegated in their second season. A good achievement for a club the size of Burton.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Nov 4, 2019 12:50:42 GMT
Who are the championship teams that we are "bigger than"? Preston QPR Fulham Charlton Brentford Millwall Blackburn Wigan Luton Barnsley. The enemies. And some that have been in that division in the past. Wait til otib get wind of this post!
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Post by pepsi on Nov 4, 2019 13:09:16 GMT
Preston QPR Fulham Charlton Brentford Millwall Blackburn Wigan Luton Barnsley. The enemies. And some that have been in that division in the past. Wait til otib get wind of this post! They've seen it already 😂😂
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Post by baggins on Nov 4, 2019 13:10:46 GMT
How did we get ourselves in this situation? We got the full ownership of the Mem perfectly legally for next to nothing when Bristol Rugby became insolvent. It was adequate for the short term, and ripe for redevelopment, or selling for housing to part-fund a new stadium. Instead here we are 23 years after we moved in with debts about as large as assets, the stadium rotting away (despite cosmetic improvements), and millions spent on abortive attempts to sort it out. Planners, consultants and lawyers have done very well out of us. You forgot Agents.
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