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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:03:15 GMT
And is this any different to the 'winter crisis' that is forecast every year? Will Labour use once again the *24hrs/3 days/one week (delete where appropriate) to save 'our NHS' slogan? I keep saying it, nothing will change until we move away from this argument as to which party will spend the most money on the NHS. After thirteen years of Blair and Brown, surely the NHS should have been sorted out? The problems with the NHS are not down to how much money is spent. If the previous government had not fixed it, then the last nine years certainly have not. You've got there at long last. It doesn't matter if Labour ir the Tories are in charge, none of them will 'fix' the NHS, because it needs complete reform and neither of them have the guts to face it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:06:52 GMT
Are you standing? Is Nicola Krankie standing? Good one nobby, I'm directly comparable with Farage yes. Leader of the Brexit party wont stand in election. He is a coward because he knows he would not be elected. For the 8th time. He has stood for election seven times, and now you call him a coward because he won't stand for an eigth? Have a word with yourself. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 3, 2019 17:57:26 GMT
Good one nobby, I'm directly comparable with Farage yes. Leader of the Brexit party wont stand in election. He is a coward because he knows he would not be elected. For the 8th time. He has stood for election seven times, and now you call him a coward because he won't stand for an eigth? Have a word with yourself. He is a coward. Talks big, the big voice on Brexit, represents the majority he ckaims. Sadly when it comes down to it he wont let the electorate judge him and his brexit vision when he launches in to fielding candidates all over the place. |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 3, 2019 21:46:53 GMT
He has stood for election seven times, and now you call him a coward because he won't stand for an eigth? Have a word with yourself. He is a coward. Talks big, the big voice on Brexit, represents the majority he ckaims. Sadly when it comes down to it he wont let the electorate judge him and his brexit vision when he launches in to fielding candidates all over the place. No not all. He really doesn't want to get involved but had the courage to stand up to the undemocratic parties and got dragged in. He does stand for the majority on Brexit because the majority voted to leave. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 3, 2019 21:52:12 GMT
He is a coward. Talks big, the big voice on Brexit, represents the majority he ckaims. Sadly when it comes down to it he wont let the electorate judge him and his brexit vision when he launches in to fielding candidates all over the place. No not all. He really doesn't want to get involved but had the courage to stand up to the undemocratic parties and got dragged in. He does stand for the majority on Brexit because the majority voted to leave. You've been conned al and I feel sorry for you swallowing it to be honest. You only have to see his stance on the deal to see it's all about money. But not your money al, because we know your pocket will be lighter with his no deal. So who's money? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 21:57:56 GMT
If the previous government had not fixed it, then the last nine years certainly have not. You've got there at long last. It doesn't matter if Labour ir the Tories are in charge, none of them will 'fix' the NHS, because it needs complete reform and neither of them have the guts to face it. I completely disagree. The guts they lack is not facing up to and declaring the true cost of a first class service and, not being honest perhaps about those treatments we cannot afford, like IVF or that people who end up in A&E as a result of binge drinking and injury as a result should pay for the treatment they then require. Taking the international comparisons we should be upping our spend by about 1.5% of gdp, or about £30billion per annum. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 22:04:07 GMT
No not all. He really doesn't want to get involved but had the courage to stand up to the undemocratic parties and got dragged in. He does stand for the majority on Brexit because the majority voted to leave. You've been conned al and I feel sorry for you swallowing it to be honest. You only have to see his stance on the deal to see it's all about money. But not your money al, because we know your pocket will be lighter with his no deal. So who's money? Yep, completely agree. Farage is a Trump style narcissist, who gets high on the limelight. He surrounds himself with fruit cakes and morons who salivate openly when they say "Nigel" A jerk of the highest order |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 3, 2019 22:48:41 GMT
You've been conned al and I feel sorry for you swallowing it to be honest. You only have to see his stance on the deal to see it's all about money. But not your money al, because we know your pocket will be lighter with his no deal. So who's money? Yep, completely agree. Farage is a Trump style narcissist, who gets high on the limelight. He surrounds himself with fruit cakes and morons who salivate openly when they say "Nigel" A jerk of the highest order Well there you go. Words said as facts when they are clearly opinions, mine and yours. This is I'm afraid how the undemocratics operate. However most people are not subservient, have minds of there own and a hand also to put a cross where they wish. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Nov 4, 2019 4:34:28 GMT
Back in the real world "Boris Johnson has been accused of only recognising a looming NHS crisis this winter over fears it will hamper the Conservatives’ chances in the December election. The British Medical Association has warned of an “unprecedented” crisis in the coming months due to the “extreme pressure” on staff across the country." And is this any different to the 'winter crisis' that is forecast every year? Will Labour use once again the *24hrs/3 days/one week (delete where appropriate) to save 'our NHS' slogan? I keep saying it, nothing will change until we move away from this argument as to which party will spend the most money on the NHS. After thirteen years of Blair and Brown, surely the NHS should have been sorted out? The problems with the NHS are not down to how much money is spent. The last Labour gov't used private health companies to help quickly reduce the enormous waiting lists that Labour inherited from the Tories. The Tories then introduced costly reforms to the NHS to vastly increase the use of the private sector. It means the NHS now has to spend money bidding against private companies for NHS contracts. The NHS also pays the full procurement costs. More money going into the NHS will help boost the profits of private health companies... who donate to the Tories.
According to John Major "Gove wanted to privatise it. Boris wanted to charge people for using it. Iain Duncan Smith wanted a social insurance system"
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 4, 2019 7:53:25 GMT
You've got there at long last. It doesn't matter if Labour ir the Tories are in charge, none of them will 'fix' the NHS, because it needs complete reform and neither of them have the guts to face it. I completely disagree. The guts they lack is not facing up to and declaring the true cost of a first class service and, not being honest perhaps about those treatments we cannot afford, like IVF or that people who end up in A&E as a result of binge drinking and injury as a result should pay for the treatment they then require. I agree with your complete disagreement. How about cigarette smoking? People are well aware that they`re rotting themselves away inside, by doing it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 7:59:25 GMT
I completely disagree. The guts they lack is not facing up to and declaring the true cost of a first class service and, not being honest perhaps about those treatments we cannot afford, like IVF or that people who end up in A&E as a result of binge drinking and injury as a result should pay for the treatment they then require. I agree with your complete disagreement. How about cigarette smoking? People are well aware that they`re rotting themselves away inside, by doing it. That's a dangerous path to go down though isn't it? What about the guy who breaks his leg playing football on a Saturday afternoon? Does he really need to play football? Is it his own fault? Also the people who injure themselves doing DIY? Should they be employing a professional instead? Where do you draw the line? While it is "free" it is there to be abused. With an insurance based system, if you use the health service too much, then your premiums will go up. You personally do suffer a financial hit ! |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 4, 2019 8:33:34 GMT
Yep, completely agree. Farage is a Trump style narcissist, who gets high on the limelight. He surrounds himself with fruit cakes and morons who salivate openly when they say "Nigel" A jerk of the highest order Well there you go. Words said as facts when they are clearly opinions, mine and yours. This is I'm afraid how the undemocratics operate. However most people are not subservient, have minds of there own and a hand also to put a cross where they wish. who's money al? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 10:38:17 GMT
You've got there at long last. It doesn't matter if Labour ir the Tories are in charge, none of them will 'fix' the NHS, because it needs complete reform and neither of them have the guts to face it. I completely disagree. The guts they lack is not facing up to and declaring the true cost of a first class service and, not being honest perhaps about those treatments we cannot afford, like IVF or that people who end up in A&E as a result of binge drinking and injury as a result should pay for the treatment they then require. Taking the international comparisons we should be upping our spend by about 1.5% of gdp, or about £30billion per annum. Good news Oldie. Rumours are that the Tories are going to increase NHS spending by 34 billion ! That will fix all the problems in the NHS then? I'm sure that when Labout get wind of this they will promise to increase the spending by 38 billion ! It's just pointless politics from two old tired political parties. Nope, I don't think so either. It's just pouring more money into the ever increasing black hole. |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 4, 2019 11:38:47 GMT
Well there you go. Words said as facts when they are clearly opinions, mine and yours. This is I'm afraid how the undemocratics operate. However most people are not subservient, have minds of there own and a hand also to put a cross where they wish. who's money al? Don't worry about money Officer we have plenty. We've just spent 39 mill on the pink haired placard wavers (plus the benefits they get). Anyway Abbot is going to be Home Secretary so she will sort the streets out...cough cough. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 4, 2019 11:49:15 GMT
Don't worry about money Officer we have plenty. We've just spent 39 mill on the pink haired placard wavers (plus the benefits they get). Anyway Abbot is going to be Home Secretary so she will sort the streets out...cough cough. I'm not surprised to find you dont know then. Makes a bit of a mockery of your previous assertion about facts and having a mind of your own but there you go. I'll never convince you with facts something different than that which you believe with feelings. All the info is out there if you cared to follow it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 12:04:09 GMT
Don't worry about money Officer we have plenty. We've just spent 39 mill on the pink haired placard wavers (plus the benefits they get). Anyway Abbot is going to be Home Secretary so she will sort the streets out...cough cough. I'm not surprised to find you dont know then. Makes a bit of a mockery of your previous assertion about facts and having a mind of your own but there you go. I'll never convince you with facts something different than that which you believe with feelings. All the info is out there if you cared to follow it. It's always the same isn't it. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 4, 2019 12:07:45 GMT
Anyone that voted for Brexit has no other choice but to vote for Boris.
Im not a Tory fan or any of the partys we are offered as they are all as corrupt as each other, but the thought of Labour in office and Jeremy Corbyn running our country and controlling Brexit gives me nightmares!!!!!!!
Its his fault,as well as all the other remoaners that we are in this mess.They have dragged there heels and now look where we are...There actions have be disguting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 12:27:56 GMT
I completely disagree. The guts they lack is not facing up to and declaring the true cost of a first class service and, not being honest perhaps about those treatments we cannot afford, like IVF or that people who end up in A&E as a result of binge drinking and injury as a result should pay for the treatment they then require. Taking the international comparisons we should be upping our spend by about 1.5% of gdp, or about £30billion per annum. Good news Oldie. Rumours are that the Tories are going to increase NHS spending by 34 billion ! That will fix all the problems in the NHS then? I'm sure that when Labout get wind of this they will promise to increase the spending by 38 billion ! It's just pointless politics from two old tired political parties. Nope, I don't think so either. It's just pouring more money into the ever increasing black hole. Listened to a top bod from the NHS this morning on R4, begging political parties not to make the NHS a political football. Who could disagree,with that. But the facts are we, as a country, commit a lot less of our resources to health care. About £30billion on average, per annum, compared to our peers. And our outcomes reflect this fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 12:29:24 GMT
Anyone that voted for Brexit has no other choice but to vote for Boris. Im not a Tory fan or any of the partys we are offered as they are all as corrupt as each other, but the thought of Labour in office and Jeremy Corbyn running our country and controlling Brexit gives me nightmares!!!!!!! Its his fault,as well as all the other remoaners that we are in this mess.They have dragged there heels and now look where we are...There actions have be disguting. Wrong thread. But the truth is somewhat different. |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 4, 2019 12:40:10 GMT
Anyone that voted for Brexit has no other choice but to vote for Boris. Im not a Tory fan or any of the partys we are offered as they are all as corrupt as each other, but the thought of Labour in office and Jeremy Corbyn running our country and controlling Brexit gives me nightmares!!!!!!! Its his fault,as well as all the other remoaners that we are in this mess.They have dragged there heels and now look where we are...There actions have be disguting. not unless you have changed your mind |
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