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Post by glengas on Nov 7, 2019 18:57:10 GMT
It’s off. That will be 6 weeks without a home league game. Bumper crowd for the Swindon game then ? Which must prove to be a financial headache for a club like ours. No income for 6 qweeks with salaries and other bills to be paid. It really isn't fair that a club like ours should suffer real financial hardship because of international breaks. I think that the various Intenational FA's should be made to pay into a fund to compensate clubs like us for loss of income. I'd bet they would soon reconsider calling-up players who have zero chance of actually playing if it meant avoiding having to fork out a couple of hundred thousand for compensation. Do what they do in Rugby and get on with it, no postponement. Force them to use their youth.
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Post by Rod1883 on Nov 7, 2019 19:05:06 GMT
It says on the FA suspensions site his next match is the cup game, as is the case with Davies, Clark & Agogo who are all one booking away from a suspension, not sure where you've got cup games don't count as it's only EFL Trophy games as far I'm aware. These are the words on the FA 'one caution away' web page - www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/suspensions : This Season will see the addition of Competition Specific Sanctioning for yellow cards in the following Competitions:
FA Premier League, EFL League, National League, FA Challenge Cup, EFL Cup, FA Trophy
(Please note Discipline in the EFL Trophy is Competition specific for all Discipline and remains unchanged from last season.)
Therefore, the accumulation of 5/10/15 Yellow cards in the table above apply only to League matches (and League Cup matches at Steps 2-4).
The remaining Competitions will carry suspensions in those Competitions only when a player has received 2 yellow cards in that Competition.
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Post by toddy1953 on Nov 7, 2019 19:05:44 GMT
Which must prove to be a financial headache for a club like ours. No income for 6 qweeks with salaries and other bills to be paid. It really isn't fair that a club like ours should suffer real financial hardship because of international breaks. I think that the various Intenational FA's should be made to pay into a fund to compensate clubs like us for loss of income. I'd bet they would soon reconsider calling-up players who have zero chance of actually playing if it meant avoiding having to fork out a couple of hundred thousand for compensation. But what have we actually lost to be compensated for as once we play the game we should, in theory anyway, get all the gate receipts back, it's not like a pre-season friendly a game we'll never get chance to play again. Anyway given our main shareholders run a bank we should be able to survive better than most League 1 clubs if we need a short term loan! But we are losing 65k per week. Might only be a weeks wages to an average PL player, but bankers or not, I bet our main shareholders were looking forward to this payday.
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Post by aghast on Nov 7, 2019 19:38:09 GMT
But what have we actually lost to be compensated for as once we play the game we should, in theory anyway, get all the gate receipts back, it's not like a pre-season friendly a game we'll never get chance to play again. Anyway given our main shareholders run a bank we should be able to survive better than most League 1 clubs if we need a short term loan! But we are losing 65k per week. Might only be a weeks wages to an average PL player, but bankers or not, I bet our main shareholders were looking forward to this payday. The game will be rescheduled and the income will appear in the accounts for the current financial year. So unless we have serious cashflow problems, it makes no difference. Of course, we might have serious cashflow problems.....
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Post by turdburger on Nov 7, 2019 21:05:40 GMT
i wonder if rovers as a club are aware of the possibility that he may be banned and therefore shouldnt count. wouldnt put it past us to not know
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 7, 2019 21:21:17 GMT
It says on the FA suspensions site his next match is the cup game, as is the case with Davies, Clark & Agogo who are all one booking away from a suspension, not sure where you've got cup games don't count as it's only EFL Trophy games as far I'm aware. These are the words on the FA 'one caution away' web page - www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/suspensions : This Season will see the addition of Competition Specific Sanctioning for yellow cards in the following Competitions:
FA Premier League, EFL League, National League, FA Challenge Cup, EFL Cup, FA Trophy
(Please note Discipline in the EFL Trophy is Competition specific for all Discipline and remains unchanged from last season.)
Therefore, the accumulation of 5/10/15 Yellow cards in the table above apply only to League matches (and League Cup matches at Steps 2-4).
The remaining Competitions will carry suspensions in those Competitions only when a player has received 2 yellow cards in that Competition.
It seems that the suspension is delay until he returns from International duty, so they get a game called he wouldn't even have being playing in any event: "Conor McLaughlin will actually serve a one-match league suspension after collecting a fifth yellow card against Southend United. He will instead miss the Coventry home gamewhich will take place on Saturday, November 23"
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Post by hardingegas on Nov 7, 2019 21:50:16 GMT
Anyone agree that these postponements are completely unnecessary at this level?
If you look at Sunderland's squad they've got at least 30 players listed! So what if you're losing three players to international call ups.
I agree with one of the previous posters regarding the Rugby situation where they fulfill the league fixtures regardles.
The way this league is panning out with the Bolton and Bury situation and all these postponed games it'll be well into the New Year before we get a realistic view of the table.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 7, 2019 22:11:10 GMT
Anyone agree that these postponements are completely unnecessary at this level? If you look at Sunderland's squad they've got at least 30 players listed! So what if you're losing three players to international call ups. I agree with one of the previous posters regarding the Rugby situation where they fulfill the league fixtures regardles. The way this league is panning out with the Bolton and Bury situation and all these postponed games it'll be well into the New Year before we get a realistic view of the table. We're missing Jaaki and JCH is unlikely to be fully fit so not sure GC will be too unhappy anyway, it's not like we'll have too many cup games to also fit in the new year!
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Post by Rod1883 on Nov 8, 2019 12:34:10 GMT
These are the words on the FA 'one caution away' web page - www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/suspensions : This Season will see the addition of Competition Specific Sanctioning for yellow cards in the following Competitions:
FA Premier League, EFL League, National League, FA Challenge Cup, EFL Cup, FA Trophy
(Please note Discipline in the EFL Trophy is Competition specific for all Discipline and remains unchanged from last season.)
Therefore, the accumulation of 5/10/15 Yellow cards in the table above apply only to League matches (and League Cup matches at Steps 2-4).
The remaining Competitions will carry suspensions in those Competitions only when a player has received 2 yellow cards in that Competition.
It seems that the suspension is delay until he returns from International duty, so they get a game called he wouldn't even have being playing in any event: "Conor McLaughlin will actually serve a one-match league suspension after collecting a fifth yellow card against Southend United. He will instead miss the Coventry home gamewhich will take place on Saturday, November 23" Where did that quote come from Topper? If it is the case that he wouldn't have been available against us anyway then that just makes a mockery of the postponement. If we did want to play then surely there is a challenge to the FA/EFL we could make.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 8, 2019 13:18:10 GMT
It seems that the suspension is delay until he returns from International duty, so they get a game called he wouldn't even have being playing in any event: "Conor McLaughlin will actually serve a one-match league suspension after collecting a fifth yellow card against Southend United. He will instead miss the Coventry home gamewhich will take place on Saturday, November 23" Where did that quote come from Topper? If it is the case that he wouldn't have been available against us anyway then that just makes a mockery of the postponement. If we did want to play then surely there is a challenge to the FA/EFL we could make. Sorry, it was from the Sunderland Chronicle website, I assume the rule's there to stop players avoiding suspensions whilst they are away on International duty, it does make sense.
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Post by baggins on Nov 8, 2019 13:32:33 GMT
So it's postponed then. No new date set as yet. Ah well.
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Post by Rod1883 on Nov 8, 2019 13:42:58 GMT
So Sunderland get to call a game off when only two players that would have been available are called up. It is a nonsense. I have sent the following to the EFL, doubt if I'll get a reply: Bristol Rovers v Sunderland Postponement This match (Bristol Rovers v Sunderland 16th November 2019) has been postponed in the last day or so due to International call ups at Sunderland. One of these is C McLaughlin who, as I understand it, would not have been available to play through suspension. How can it be right that a club gets the opportunity to postpone a game due to a player that would not have been available, being called up?
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Post by baggins on Nov 8, 2019 13:45:07 GMT
So Sunderland get to call a game off when only two players that would have been available are called up. It is a nonsenses. I have sent the following to the EFL, doubt if I'll get a reply: Bristol Rovers v Sunderland Postponement This match (Bristol Rovers v Sunderland 16th November 2019) has been postponed in the last day or so due to International call ups at Sunderland. One of these is C McLaughlin who, as I understand it, would not have been available to play through suspension. How can it be right that a club gets the opportunity to postpone a game due to a player that would not have been available, being called up?Because they're Sunderland.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 14:35:35 GMT
So Sunderland get to call a game off when only two players that would have been available are called up. It is a nonsense. I have sent the following to the EFL, doubt if I'll get a reply: Bristol Rovers v Sunderland Postponement This match (Bristol Rovers v Sunderland 16th November 2019) has been postponed in the last day or so due to International call ups at Sunderland. One of these is C McLaughlin who, as I understand it, would not have been available to play through suspension. How can it be right that a club gets the opportunity to postpone a game due to a player that would not have been available, being called up?Rod. Further to this I have contacted a senior official at our club by email, asking for their view of the situation.
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Post by Rod1883 on Nov 8, 2019 16:50:51 GMT
Well done Dave - it will be interesting to see what any response is, if either of us get a reply!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 17:43:40 GMT
Well done Dave - it will be interesting to see what any response is, if either of us get a reply! The thing that stinks about this for me is their manager in yesterday's press conference saying they called it off because of the three international call ups and the injury problems with Burge their keeper. What has an injury to a keeper got to do with it?
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Post by Rod1883 on Nov 8, 2019 17:53:33 GMT
Well done Dave - it will be interesting to see what any response is, if either of us get a reply! The thing that stinks about this for me is their manager in yesterday's press conference saying they called it off because of the three international call ups and the injury problems with Burge their keeper. What has an injury to a keeper got to do with it? Yes, I agree it is extremely frustrating. Of course without Jaakkola and probably JCH we would be weaker too, but when it is rearranged - probably not before January now with the games they still need to have rearranged before ours - then they will be stronger, and we may be even weaker with suspensions etc ourselves. Edit - we will as a club potentially lose income too as I'm sure a cold January or February Tuesday night will see a lower crowd than the original date. I sent my question via the 'contact us' form on the EFL site so I don't know where in the EFL it will land. Does anyone have a better address - perhaps a senior EFL named individual's email address - where a number of us could sent the question?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 17:53:56 GMT
Just had an email from Steve Hamer. He commends me on my excellent research but is led to believe they have five players involved at different international age groups. He goes on to say it is an odd situation regarding suspensions. He also points out that it is a big hit on the cashflow situation for the club losing the Saturday game and a Tuesday night game in February is not the best outcome. He also thinks it does not help our momentum in the league having the game called off but is looking for a good outcome in the cup on Sunday.
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Post by Rod1883 on Nov 8, 2019 17:58:57 GMT
Just had an email from Steve Hamer. He commends me on my excellent research but is led to believe they have five players involved at different international age groups. He goes on to say it is an odd situation regarding suspensions. He also points out that it is a big hit on the cashflow situation for the club losing the Saturday game and a Tuesday night game in February is not the best outcome. He also thinks it does not help our momentum in the league having the game called off but is looking for a good outcome in the cup on Sunday. Interesting (I had just edited my post about potential lose of income too whilst you were posting). I can't see that all age group call ups would count unless the players concerned are in, or have been in, the playing/match day squads? I think it needs more research from Mr Hamer and a challenge being made for the reasons we all, and he, have made.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 8, 2019 18:12:26 GMT
Just had an email from Steve Hamer. He commends me on my excellent research but is led to believe they have five players involved at different international age groups. He goes on to say it is an odd situation regarding suspensions. He also points out that it is a big hit on the cashflow situation for the club losing the Saturday game and a Tuesday night game in February is not the best outcome. He also thinks it does not help our momentum in the league having the game called off but is looking for a good outcome in the cup on Sunday. Interesting (I had just edited my post about potential lose of income too whilst you were posting). I can't see that all age group call ups would count unless the players concerned are in, or have been in, the playing/match day squads? I think it needs more research from Mr Hamer and a challenge being made for the reasons we all, and he, have made. I seriously think you need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture the rules state a club can call a game off if they have 3 or more players called off, the fact one is suspended is irrelavent as the rules also allow for that by postponing the suspension until the next league game, hence why he misses the Coventry game. The fact we'd probably be missing Jaakie & JCH probably means it a blessing anyway as I doubt we'd beat Sunderland without them as we didn't managed 3 times last season.
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