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Jan 10, 2020 7:04:10 GMT
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Post by althepirate on Jan 10, 2020 7:04:10 GMT
I fear too much change too soon.
Players look confused already.
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Post by xenongas on Jan 10, 2020 8:40:31 GMT
Dare I say maybe there just needs to be some balanced thought?
You're not a hopeless optimist if you think a manager that's had three weeks in the job needs more time.
You're not a hopeless pessimist if you're worried about scoring so few goals in 5 games.
But you are talking out of your backside if you think either the manager should be sacked immediately or he will still be here next season if this slide continues into months.
For what it's worth I've said previously that its nonsense taking shots at someone who I believe hasn't had a proper chance to coach his team yet. Wait till February then you can blow your top if you feel you need to. As we see almost every single season for almost every single team in most divisions, a bad month does not make a bad season.
In a month or two it'll be pretty straightforward: do you think he should leave or remain? A simple question like that shouldn't polarise people or turn them into petty children, right?
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Post by norton gasbottle on Jan 10, 2020 9:16:32 GMT
Foe christs sake they are professional football players of years experience should be able to adapt to any system... GC knew he had gone as far as he could go,got lucky ..we need to replace the likes of Adebay.... Nicho.....Bennett...also players who have little pace and get caught in possession a lot example Ollie Clark [love his passion] but not good enough also ...Ed Upson good ball player but too old too slow .also worried about Menayes....getting caught a lot for pace but young, can improve hopefully... Not sure about kelly gets caught out of position too often ..... Josh Barrett who BC he has brought in looks class and is a great improvement.. Give BG time im sure if these things are done we will get better.
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 10, 2020 10:32:31 GMT
Foe christs sake they are professional football players of years experience should be able to adapt to any system... GC knew he had gone as far as he could go,got lucky ..we need to replace the likes of Adebay.... Nicho.....Bennett...also players who have little pace and get caught in possession a lot example Ollie Clark [love his passion] but not good enough also ...Ed Upson good ball player but too old too slow .also worried about Menayes....getting caught a lot for pace but young, can improve hopefully... Not sure about kelly gets caught out of position too often ..... Josh Barrett who BC he has brought in looks class and is a great improvement.. Give BG time im sure if these things are done we will get better. They may be professional footballers but it will take time to adapt. Certainly without time in training. Each player needs to understand what they are meant to be doing in the system. Changing to a more attractive passing style of play from playing long ball stuff will take time. Another important factor for all teams is having a settled defence. If you make changes it can unsettle the side. Coughlan had a relatively stable defence that worked with his style of football. Loosing Jaakkola was a blow & BG figuring out if we play four or five at the back and how this will fit with system will impact on uncertainty in defence which will impact on Performances. Agree on the players needing to go with the exception of Upson. |
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jan 10, 2020 13:34:52 GMT
Anyone who thinks that changing the personnel and our style of play is going to provide instant success is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
BG has had hardly any time to work on new patterns of play, so none of the players are used playing the new system, or where their team mates are likely to be on the pitch.
One thing you can say about GC was that we played a settled team, and everyone knew their roles on the pitch. The same players have now played to many games close together, and are obviously a bit jaded.
Give it time, if we went up we'd struggle, so half a season to develop the style of play we all want to see can't be a bad thing. Better to do this when you're top 6 to any other time in the season IMO.
UTG
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Post by glengas on Jan 10, 2020 13:55:35 GMT
All the plonkers who hated the ugly winning football under Coughlan get their wish when we try something different and lose. I enjoyed a few glimpses of something better last night but given I was one of just eight hardy souls on the open piece of the East Terrace it may have been the rain on my glasses. We're still going up mind you, c'mon the Gas. I’m actually looking forward to the game on Saturday having missed the last two home games. If GC was still in charge, I would not be looking forward to it, And it wasn’t the fans that drove GC out he engineered that to suit himself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 14:10:16 GMT
Foe christs sake they are professional football players of years experience should be able to adapt to any system... GC knew he had gone as far as he could go,got lucky ..we need to replace the likes of Adebay.... Nicho.....Bennett...also players who have little pace and get caught in possession a lot example Ollie Clark [love his passion] but not good enough also ...Ed Upson good ball player but too old too slow .also worried about Menayes....getting caught a lot for pace but young, can improve hopefully... Not sure about kelly gets caught out of position too often ..... Josh Barrett who BC he has brought in looks class and is a great improvement.. Give BG time im sure if these things are done we will get better. how did you come to the conclusion that "barrett looks class etc"? |
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Post by markczgas on Jan 10, 2020 14:52:57 GMT
Foe christs sake they are professional football players of years experience should be able to adapt to any system... GC knew he had gone as far as he could go,got lucky ..we need to replace the likes of Adebay.... Nicho.....Bennett...also players who have little pace and get caught in possession a lot example Ollie Clark [love his passion] but not good enough also ...Ed Upson good ball player but too old too slow .also worried about Menayes....getting caught a lot for pace but young, can improve hopefully... Not sure about kelly gets caught out of position too often ..... Josh Barrett who BC he has brought in looks class and is a great improvement.. Give BG time im sure if these things are done we will get better. think your expectations are overly high for a L1 club if you are knocking players like Upson and Menayese (he's barely played any league football until this season remember )- both have had strong seasons. |
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Jan 10, 2020 15:44:52 GMT
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 10, 2020 15:44:52 GMT
Foe christs sake they are professional football players of years experience should be able to adapt to any system... GC knew he had gone as far as he could go,got lucky ..we need to replace the likes of Adebay.... Nicho.....Bennett...also players who have little pace and get caught in possession a lot example Ollie Clark [love his passion] but not good enough also ...Ed Upson good ball player but too old too slow .also worried about Menayes....getting caught a lot for pace but young, can improve hopefully... Not sure about kelly gets caught out of position too often ..... Josh Barrett who BC he has brought in looks class and is a great improvement.. Give BG time im sure if these things are done we wbill get better. So what about the likes on Southend? By your reckoning they should be doing miles better at they're all professional footballers? |
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Jan 10, 2020 15:45:58 GMT
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Post by pirate on Jan 10, 2020 15:45:58 GMT
Anyone who thinks that changing the personnel and our style of play is going to provide instant success is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. BG has had hardly any time to work on new patterns of play, so none of the players are used playing the new system, or where their team mates are likely to be on the pitch. One thing you can say about GC was that we played a settled team, and everyone knew their roles on the pitch. The same players have now played to many games close together, and are obviously a bit jaded. Give it time, if we went up we'd struggle, so half a season to develop the style of play we all want to see can't be a bad thing. Better to do this when you're top 6 to any other time in the season IMO. UTG Cloud Cocko or Coughlan land. |
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Jan 10, 2020 18:49:06 GMT
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Post by norton gasbottle on Jan 10, 2020 18:49:06 GMT
Foe christs sake they are professional football players of years experience should be able to adapt to any system... GC knew he had gone as far as he could go,got lucky ..we need to replace the likes of Adebay.... Nicho.....Bennett...also players who have little pace and get caught in possession a lot example Ollie Clark [love his passion] but not good enough also ...Ed Upson good ball player but too old too slow .also worried about Menayes....getting caught a lot for pace but young, can improve hopefully... Not sure about kelly gets caught out of position too often ..... Josh Barrett who BC he has brought in looks class and is a great improvement.. Give BG time im sure if these things are done we will get better. how did you come to the conclusion that "barrett looks class etc"? |
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Jan 10, 2020 18:56:24 GMT
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Post by norton gasbottle on Jan 10, 2020 18:56:24 GMT
how did you come to the conclusion that "barrett looks class etc"? I have seen clips of him plus how he played the other night never put a bad pass and Reading fans rated him highly also im a good judge of a decent player .watch him sat if he gets picked.im sure you will agree. |
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Post by socrates on Jan 10, 2020 18:57:39 GMT
To be successful you have to play to your strengths unless you’ve got the best team in the league , then you can change things around and still win most matches.
Our squad is built around playing direct down the middle it’s going to take time and transfers to turn our squad in to an attractive passing team and I’m not convinced we’ll ever win promotion to the championship playing that way anyway.
To play Garners style we need the kind of players who always look like thayve got that extra second of time on the ball , can turn quick and attack with pace , can pass well , have good vision etc.
Sercombe is the only player in our midfield and attack who ticks those boxes and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he’s played alright since Garners arrived where as pretty much everyone else has struggled.
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Post by hollyhillgas on Jan 10, 2020 19:02:22 GMT
To be successful you have to play to your strengths unless you’ve got the best team in the league , then you can change things around and still win most matches. Our squad is built around playing direct down the middle it’s going to take time and transfers to turn our squad in to an attractive passing team and I’m not convinced we’ll ever win promotion to the championship playing that way anyway. To play Garners style we need the kind of players who always look like thayve got that extra second of time on the ball , can turn quick and attack with pace , can pass well , have good vision etc. Sercombe is the only player in our midfield and attack who ticks those boxes and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he’s played alright since Garners arrived where as pretty much everyone else has struggled. So would Garner have kept Chris Lines? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 19:05:36 GMT
I have seen clips of him plus how he played the other night never put a bad pass and Reading fans rated him highly also im a good judge of a decent player .watch him sat if he gets picked.im sure you will agree. Well lets hope your right. |
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Jan 10, 2020 19:07:10 GMT
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Post by norton gasbottle on Jan 10, 2020 19:07:10 GMT
To be successful you have to play to your strengths unless you’ve got the best team in the league , then you can change things around and still win most matches. Our squad is built around playing direct down the middle it’s going to take time and transfers to turn our squad in to an attractive passing team and I’m not convinced we’ll ever win promotion to the championship playing that way anyway. To play Garners style we need the kind of players who always look like thayve got that extra second of time on the ball , can turn quick and attack with pace , can pass well , have good vision etc. Sercombe is the only player in our midfield and attack who ticks those boxes and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he’s played alright since Garners arrived where as pretty much everyone else has struggled. So would Garner have kept Chris Lines? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 19:10:54 GMT
To be successful you have to play to your strengths unless you’ve got the best team in the league , then you can change things around and still win most matches. Our squad is built around playing direct down the middle it’s going to take time and transfers to turn our squad in to an attractive passing team and I’m not convinced we’ll ever win promotion to the championship playing that way anyway. To play Garners style we need the kind of players who always look like thayve got that extra second of time on the ball , can turn quick and attack with pace , can pass well , have good vision etc. Sercombe is the only player in our midfield and attack who ticks those boxes and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he’s played alright since Garners arrived where as pretty much everyone else has struggled. Interesting that ogogo and to a lesser degree clarke-harris struggled to get a game under robins at coventry. But after watching coventry it all makes perfect sense no disrespect to those 2. Are those 2 players now thinking "here we go again"? |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 10, 2020 19:11:54 GMT
To be successful you have to play to your strengths unless you’ve got the best team in the league , then you can change things around and still win most matches. Our squad is built around playing direct down the middle it’s going to take time and transfers to turn our squad in to an attractive passing team and I’m not convinced we’ll ever win promotion to the championship playing that way anyway. To play Garners style we need the kind of players who always look like thayve got that extra second of time on the ball , can turn quick and attack with pace , can pass well , have good vision etc. Sercombe is the only player in our midfield and attack who ticks those boxes and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he’s played alright since Garners arrived where as pretty much everyone else has struggled. So would Garner have kept Chris Lines? Nah he was past it. GC did the right thing in the wrong way. |
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Jan 10, 2020 19:13:15 GMT
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Post by norton gasbottle on Jan 10, 2020 19:13:15 GMT
So would Garner have kept Chris Lines? ,I liked linsey but to me he was weak in the tackle drifted out of games too.easily .sometimes went missing completely, good free kick taker though .. |
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Post by bluestone on Jan 10, 2020 19:28:28 GMT
I'm really confused by those saying that BG has been making changes to soon.
Apart from the game against Stevenage this week which was experimental in terms of formation and saw a number of 1st team players rested I have not seen any dramatic changes so far.
His team selection and formation has been more or less the same as GC's, we've mostly been playing direct haven't we?
If we discount the Stevenage result then 2 out of 4 of his other games we were not bad in terms of results imo:
Coventry (H) 2-2 draw. A decent result against a very strong side who are at the top of the table.
MK Dons (A) 3-0 loss. Poor result without doubt but after a dodgy start MK are turning their season around and have beaten both Oxford and Portsmouth recently.
Fleetwood 0-0 (A) draw. At the time everyone thought that was a decent result away from home against a decent side.
AFC Wimbledon 1-2 (H) loss. Another poor result and probably the worst of the lot.
Consider also the injury crisis we have working through at the moment as well.
C'Mon lads, let's give BG a fair crack of the whip and get behind him, we're still level on points with Peterborough who are in the play off spots and still in the FA cup so there is plenty to be optimistic about!
UTG!
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