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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2020 8:27:33 GMT
I think two of them were penalties and the other from a corner too, obviously they all count but it shows we’re not creating from open play . Although we don’t need stats to tell us that because we watch the games and we are dire with JCH up front on his own and trying to play through on the deck. I'd concede that defensively we were ok prior to GC leaving. However, attacking issues have long been an issue. Probably a couple of new signings would have dealt with that issue, a striker/ACM, now it seems we need a new defence, midfield and attack, plus the goalie's confidence will be shot sooner or later. Hopefully Wael & Starnes are in talks today on how to deal with the issues we now face, as yet another hammering looms on Saturday. Then it's Fleetwood at the Mem, followed by Bolton(A), Coventry (H) again!, Wycombe (A), Tranmere (A) Blackpool (H) Sunderland (A) We could be right in a relegation mix if results don't improve at the Mem soon.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 15, 2020 10:07:04 GMT
I don't blame BG, the players are the same player that were winning games, they are letting themselves down by not showing up right now. Not really sure where the logic is there. Surely if the thing that changes for our sh** run of results is the manager, then the difference is the manager. Seems a bit perverse to blame the players. I dont blame my manager if i am performing badly, wouldn't expect the same from Professional footballers. All about mindset and the players attitude.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 15, 2020 10:11:13 GMT
Not really sure where the logic is there. Surely if the thing that changes for our sh** run of results is the manager, then the difference is the manager. Seems a bit perverse to blame the players. I dont blame my manager if i am performing badly, wouldn't expect the same from Professional footballers. All about mindset and the players attitude. Hmm fair point, but what if a new manager came in and out in processes that you had to adhere to? And those processes don’t work, but the ones you had before made you pretty effective at your job?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 10:11:52 GMT
Not really sure where the logic is there. Surely if the thing that changes for our sh** run of results is the manager, then the difference is the manager. Seems a bit perverse to blame the players. I dont blame my manager if i am performing badly, wouldn't expect the same from Professional footballers. All about mindset and the players attitude. How about if your team that is achieving record sales suddenly Loses it’s manager and the board replace him with a guy who the rest of the team can tell just hasn’t got the experience to keep you on target and sales start to drop. Don’t you think your own performance would suffer as a consequence?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 15, 2020 10:23:03 GMT
Not really sure where the logic is there. Surely if the thing that changes for our sh** run of results is the manager, then the difference is the manager. Seems a bit perverse to blame the players. I dont blame my manager if i am performing badly, wouldn't expect the same from Professional footballers. All about mindset and the players attitude. Not sure why we would employ a manager then, if it has no effect on the team.
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 15, 2020 10:37:35 GMT
We were 4th for a couple of weeks and that’s all people care about, Before garner came here we were scraping results and playing sh** football hence the attendance dropping off, This squad couldn’t keep up with staying fit and injury free and we’re never going sustain that level. We’re losing £65,000 a week and people would rather we ended up like bury by paying out compensation for a manager and buying top whack players so apparently they feel let down. Whoever took when Ben did it was going that way.
We aren’t good enough to go up even with our best eleven out there and we can never pay amazing money to get top players and if we do only a couple of players can be on a high end league one wage, We can’t afford to spend £500,000 on a barnet player hoping their be great for us. We can only afford good young prospects from premiership and championship clubs and pay low and hopefully get a good return on them in the future and the manager that has that exact experience and willing to build that up is Ben garner. We can go out and pay compo to a club to get a named journeyman manager but they will end up being sour and watered off with no funding but there is no money? The people who moan the most probably gave up watching them this season because their fickle yet expect everything else given to them yesterday
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2020 10:59:12 GMT
We were 4th for a couple of weeks and that’s all people care about, Before garner came here we were scraping results and playing sh** football hence the attendance dropping off, This squad couldn’t keep up with staying fit and injury free and we’re never going sustain that level. We’re losing £65,000 a week and people would rather we ended up like bury by paying out compensation for a manager and buying top whack players so apparently they feel let down. Whoever took when Ben did it was going that way. We aren’t good enough to go up even with our best eleven out there and we can never pay amazing money to get top players and if we do only a couple of players can be on a high end league one wage, We can’t afford to spend £500,000 on a barnet player hoping their be great for us. We can only afford good young prospects from premiership and championship clubs and pay low and hopefully get a good return on them in the future and the manager that has that exact experience and willing to build that up is Ben garner. We can go out and pay compo to a club to get a named journeyman manager but they will end up being sour and watered off with no funding but there is no money? The people who moan the most probably gave up watching them this season because their fickle yet expect everything else given to them yesterday We weren't just 4th, over 12 months/46 games we topped the current form chart, looking back that was some achievement by GC and his players. How we've gone from that to bottom must be the biggest turn around by any manager in Rovers recent, post 1970's, history? Given we got compo for GC we could have reinvested that in an experienced manager or just asked Holloway to lend us £100K! Plus the likes of Tisdale etc weren't under contract anyway. I've watched every home game and most away games via iFollow, the wins at Shrewbury & Ipswich were enjoyable anything since Garner arrived as been pure 100% dross. Not sure the likes of Barrett are going to generate transfer fees when we were playing L2 football next season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2020 10:59:41 GMT
I dont blame my manager if i am performing badly, wouldn't expect the same from Professional footballers. All about mindset and the players attitude. Not sure why we would employ a manager then, if it has no effect on the team. Why did we ever sack DC!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 11:21:14 GMT
We were 4th for a couple of weeks and that’s all people care about, Before garner came here we were scraping results and playing sh** football hence the attendance dropping off, This squad couldn’t keep up with staying fit and injury free and we’re never going sustain that level. We’re losing £65,000 a week and people would rather we ended up like bury by paying out compensation for a manager and buying top whack players so apparently they feel let down. Whoever took when Ben did it was going that way. We aren’t good enough to go up even with our best eleven out there and we can never pay amazing money to get top players and if we do only a couple of players can be on a high end league one wage, We can’t afford to spend £500,000 on a barnet player hoping their be great for us. We can only afford good young prospects from premiership and championship clubs and pay low and hopefully get a good return on them in the future and the manager that has that exact experience and willing to build that up is Ben garner. We can go out and pay compo to a club to get a named journeyman manager but they will end up being sour and watered off with no funding but there is no money? The people who moan the most probably gave up watching them this season because their fickle yet expect everything else given to them yesterday We weren't just 4th, over 12 months/46 games we topped the current form chart, looking back that was some achievement by GC and his players. How we've gone from that to bottom must be the biggest turn around by any manager in Rovers recent, post 1970's, history? Given we got compo for GC we could have reinvested that in an experienced manager or just asked Holloway to lend us £100K! Plus the likes of Tisdale etc weren't under contract anyway. I've watched every home game and most away games via iFollow, the wins at Shrewbury & Ipswich were enjoyable anything since Garner arrived as been pure 100% dross. Not sure the likes of Barrett are going to generate transfer fees when we were playing L2 football next season. We need people to start quoting their own posts where they said the players were rubbish because I don’t remember seeing it. It’s like everyone claiming they were at Woodstock with the regularity that posters are re-writing history claiming that we were going to implode. The recruitment was being talked about as the best of an era and now these same players are carthorses and everyone knew it was only a matter of time before they got “found out”. It’s breathtaking how Gaschat facts are being re-written on the fly.
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Post by z1zou on Jan 15, 2020 12:28:36 GMT
I think everyone needs to calm down with the relegation talk. Only 3 go down, bolton and Southend are practically buried already. Of the 9 teams below us excluding them there are at least 3 or 4 that will be far more likely to fill that last spot... Tranmere/mk/wombles etc We realistically need to average 1 win in 4 to stay up thanks to our good start. Things will be fine, and we'll end up in lower-mid table like the vast majority predicted at the start of the season. I actually think the exact opposite and people need to realise we are in the relegation mix. We will certainly not win 1 in 4 at the minute. We are on present form/ performances the worst team in the league if you take out Bolton and Southend. Unfortunately playing style revolution or not we can't afford to change things until we get to 50 plus points and need to start grinding out a few results sharpish. With 20 plus fixtures left to get 3 or 4 wins and a few draws. I really don't get what the mass hysteria is about. We've been poor lately, but we won't be bad enough to lose every game.
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Post by baggins on Jan 15, 2020 12:38:11 GMT
I actually think the exact opposite and people need to realise we are in the relegation mix. We will certainly not win 1 in 4 at the minute. We are on present form/ performances the worst team in the league if you take out Bolton and Southend. Unfortunately playing style revolution or not we can't afford to change things until we get to 50 plus points and need to start grinding out a few results sharpish. With 20 plus fixtures left to get 3 or 4 wins and a few draws. I really don't get what the mass hysteria is about. We've been poor lately, but we won't be bad enough to lose every game. That's the spirit.
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Post by cj on Jan 15, 2020 13:23:18 GMT
I swear some people think because we were 4th at one stage, that gives us some God given right to be consistently challenging at the top for the rest of the season.
We were not performing previously under Coughlan but we were able to grind out results. We still ain't performing but now we are unable to grind out results because the players legs have gone. We've had a thin squad due to injuries and when you've got a thin squad, it will always be tough during the xmas and new year period. There is a lot of games to play (not helped but cup replays) and we've had to use the same players over and over again in this short period of time. They are literally ruining on empty, which is clear to see.
I also reckon with all the changes at management level that their heads have gone too. We literally have had 4 different guys in charge in 4 games in a row. How on earth is that suppose to help the players stay focus and keep their good form going, on top of feeling fatigued. Now with BG away from the club until further notice, the players must think their season is over already. And BG hasn't had no time at all to work with the squad to put his idea's across.
Yes its frustrating being so high up the table and now be in this position but we have no God given right to be up the top and people need to use some common sense and realise the details in the situation that we are in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 13:24:09 GMT
Absolutely a crisis
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Post by theduke on Jan 15, 2020 13:32:07 GMT
Of course it's a crisis.
Just think about it:
We're a club that has a non-league ground and training facilities, our players has to pick up fox sh** before they train some days. We lose 65k a week despite being one of the best-attended in the division, and despite the efforts of Tom Gorringe organizing subbuteo nights at the Mem. We have an ownership that wants out of the club and can't take it any further on or off the pitch. We have an ownership that doesn't communicate to the fanbase leaving us to speculate on what's actually going on at the club. We have a manager who is completely untested at this level and is looking to implement a style of football which will require a total overhaul of most of the playing staff. We have an ownership that doesn't want to be promoted because they can't afford it and know we'd be absolutely humiliated on the pitch if we did manage to get up to the Championship. We have a star player that desperately wants out and is now spitting out his dummy on the pitch every week. Worse yet his goals have completely dried up.
Literally the only bright spot we have right now is the potential to be taken over and the development of some of the younger players like Kilgore.
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Post by baggins on Jan 15, 2020 13:35:34 GMT
And yet players still being paid, staff being paid, club shop still open, bars still open, signing players, pitch immaculate, and no talk about going into administration. Where's the crisis?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 13:36:19 GMT
Of course it's a crisis. Just think about it: We're a club that has a non-league ground and training facilities, our players has to pick up fox sh** before they train some days. We lose 65k a week despite being one of the best-attended in the division, and despite the efforts of Tom Gorringe organizing subbuteo nights at the Mem. We have an ownership that wants out of the club and can't take it any further on or off the pitch. We have an ownership that doesn't communicate to the fanbase leaving us to speculate on what's actually going on at the club. We have a manager who is completely untested at this level and is looking to implement a style of football which will require a total overhaul of most of the playing staff. We have an ownership that doesn't want to be promoted because they can't afford it and know we'd be absolutely humiliated on the pitch if we did manage to get up to the Championship. We have a star player that desperately wants out and is now spitting out his dummy on the pitch every week. Worse yet his goals have completely dried up. Literally the only bright spot we have right now is the potential to be taken over and the development of some of the younger players like Kilgore. couldn't agree more clap clap
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 13:37:28 GMT
And yet players still being paid, staff being paid, club shop still open, bars still open, signing players, pitch immaculate, and no talk about going into administration. Where's the crisis? give it time - it's coming
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Post by baggins on Jan 15, 2020 13:37:57 GMT
And yet players still being paid, staff being paid, club shop still open, bars still open, signing players, pitch immaculate, and no talk about going into administration. Where's the crisis? give it time - it's coming Says who?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 13:40:47 GMT
give it time - it's coming Says who? rumours flying around other clubs hierarchies about our financial state
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Post by baggins on Jan 15, 2020 13:48:07 GMT
rumours flying around other clubs hierarchies about our financial state Ah, rumours. Around other clubs? And you believe them yes?
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