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Post by Jomo on Jan 16, 2020 17:53:30 GMT
For all those who have said No or get out my club I’m really interested to understand what your realistic expectations are and how Wael and Co have not done what the have always said they’d do? I agree that the communication could be better but us fans don’t have a given right to know absolutely everything about everything that goes on at the club. Re the training ground and stadium I agree better messaging behind why they haven’t progressed as quickly as we’d like would be useful but sometimes we have to take things at face value and accept reasons given. I do accept there are many things they can’t or won’t say due to commercial sensitivity or legal/non disclosure reasons... These reasons don’t make me think they should go - I’m not sure who else would underwrite c£3.5m losses per annum on an ongoing basis and the charge on the Mem is just standard secured loan practice and is only a problem if they call it in - the debt they owe to themselves.... They’ve always said they wouldn’t just gift money to the club and we should be as self sustaining as possible so I’m not sure why anyone thinks they’d suddenly change that stance? Genuinely interested in reasons why.... I certainly see your points but one question I would have is what reason did they give for not submitting any plans for the Colony? I cannot fathom an acceptable reason for them to have not even have submitted plans given the fanfare about it when they first bought the land.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 17:58:02 GMT
What's the alternative though? Clearly a new training ground and stadium would drive us massively forward in many respects but seems a tad unreasonable to expect anyone to plow in millions at their own risk in what's effectively a gamble at securing mid to long term Championship football. We're being funded at the level you would expect a mid L1 team and I can understand why they would be very reluctant to invest more at this point. It's easy for us as supporters to demand this and that but ultimately it's not our capital that's at risk. When you look at the likes of Bury, Macclesfield etc and seemingly the ticking time bomb sat in many lower league clubs, I think it's unfair to be too critical of owners who are signing players and allowing us to compete at this level. The counter argument is that given our losses, the responsible thing would be to hugely cut back and effectively surrender our L1 status in an attempt to make the club sustainable in the short term. I suspect that wouldn't be the most popular move though. I suppose the alternative is to stop blocking other potential owners with demands to keep a % of the football club after any takeover and let one of the other 12 or 13 interested parties (that Wael spoke of after his takeover) have a go at delivering what Waely obviously can't. We're going nowhere fast with this narcissistic fantasist at the helm. Not having a pop here but can you be sure that Wael holding a percentage is what’s stopping anything happening? Sounds like another “forum fact”
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Post by singupgas on Jan 16, 2020 18:05:00 GMT
Nice guy. Going to bring us forward as a club, delivering a stadium and a training ground suitable for professional footballers, not a chance.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 16, 2020 18:08:51 GMT
If the poll results are anything to go by the fans deserve all they get which which be the square route of f**k all. Yup. I am surprised by how much faith people are putting in a family not interested in Rovers at all. I can understand their being hurdles in big projects occasionally, but there is nothing coming from our owners. If the FM does happen it is other people paying for it, not the Al Qadis, Wael is hanging on. There is also no big on pitch transformation either to give indication they want to see the club higher than it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 18:18:52 GMT
For all those who have said No or get out my club I’m really interested to understand what your realistic expectations are and how Wael and Co have not done what the have always said they’d do? I agree that the communication could be better but us fans don’t have a given right to know absolutely everything about everything that goes on at the club. Re the training ground and stadium I agree better messaging behind why they haven’t progressed as quickly as we’d like would be useful but sometimes we have to take things at face value and accept reasons given. I do accept there are many things they can’t or won’t say due to commercial sensitivity or legal/non disclosure reasons... These reasons don’t make me think they should go - I’m not sure who else would underwrite c£3.5m losses per annum on an ongoing basis and the charge on the Mem is just standard secured loan practice and is only a problem if they call it in - the debt they owe to themselves.... They’ve always said they wouldn’t just gift money to the club and we should be as self sustaining as possible so I’m not sure why anyone thinks they’d suddenly change that stance? Genuinely interested in reasons why.... I certainly see your points but one question I would have is what reason did they give for not submitting any plans for the Colony? I cannot fathom an acceptable reason for them to have not even have submitted plans given the fanfare about it when they first bought the land. The obvious (and most likely answer) is they couldn’t afford it. They are paupers, in football terms. As the poster above said, if they actually had any money they wouldn’t have bought Rovers, UWE or no UWE. They are here for no other reason than it was the low millions to buy in with a sweetener of large equity thrown in to allow them to gamble a bit using the ground as leverage.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 16, 2020 18:23:48 GMT
For all those who have said No or get out my club I’m really interested to understand what your realistic expectations are and how Wael and Co have not done what the have always said they’d do? I agree that the communication could be better but us fans don’t have a given right to know absolutely everything about everything that goes on at the club. Re the training ground and stadium I agree better messaging behind why they haven’t progressed as quickly as we’d like would be useful but sometimes we have to take things at face value and accept reasons given. I do accept there are many things they can’t or won’t say due to commercial sensitivity or legal/non disclosure reasons... These reasons don’t make me think they should go - I’m not sure who else would underwrite c£3.5m losses per annum on an ongoing basis and the charge on the Mem is just standard secured loan practice and is only a problem if they call it in - the debt they owe to themselves.... They’ve always said they wouldn’t just gift money to the club and we should be as self sustaining as possible so I’m not sure why anyone thinks they’d suddenly change that stance? Genuinely interested in reasons why.... I certainly see your points but one question I would have is what reason did they give for not submitting any plans for the Colony? I cannot fathom an acceptable reason for them to have not even have submitted plans given the fanfare about it when they first bought the land. What i don't understand it why we don't develope it on a piecemeal basis, surely it wouldn't cost the earth to put in 3 or 4 pitch training pitches and some porta cabins in the short term, then we'll have our own training ground and don't have to worry about shifting fox poo before we can train or being turfed out because the owners want to use it. I'm not sure where this "lets just be thankful we're not Bury or Bolton" comes from as surely we're heading their way once the equity in the Mem as all gone which must be in a year or two, I sense it's not just a coincidence there's talk of the ALQ's selling up now it was all virtually gone. Wael has effectively thrown away our own stadium and the only hope seems to be the Fruit Market developement, if that falls through then we could well be homeless like Bury. The latest is the farce around the managers job as who in their right minds would appoint somebody with no managerial experience, and then expect him to change the whole, relatively succcessful, way we play.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 18:26:01 GMT
Amazed at the amount of yes votes - wow! Can somebody tell me why they think they are doing such a good job in charge?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 16, 2020 18:32:22 GMT
I certainly see your points but one question I would have is what reason did they give for not submitting any plans for the Colony? I cannot fathom an acceptable reason for them to have not even have submitted plans given the fanfare about it when they first bought the land. The obvious (and most likely answer) is they couldn’t afford it. They are paupers, in football terms. As the poster above said, if they actually had any money they wouldn’t have bought Rovers, UWE or no UWE. They are here for no other reason than it was the low millions to buy in with a sweetener of large equity thrown in to allow them to gamble a bit using the ground as leverage. Plus buying the land isn’t SPENDING money is it? It’s investing it and by not spending anything on developing it as a training ground their profit on it if they can sell it to a house builder will be greater. If they can’t do that they should at least recover their money or make a small profit. No risk.
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Post by aghast on Jan 16, 2020 18:55:13 GMT
This poll is a really good way to cause another argument on here 😂 bravo I think it's actually quite useful. A lot of posters are anti-owner, and when a few others come on here to defend the Al-Quadis, or at least not attack them, they are regularly described as deluded or in the owners' pockets or similar. Which might be more understandable if we thought that there is very little support still left for the board. This poll shows that quite a lot of people are actually supportive or at least neutral about the family, which is surprising to me. So I think it's useful to learn something and perhaps to not assume other things.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 16, 2020 19:07:47 GMT
Amazed at the amount of yes votes - wow! Can somebody tell me why they think they are doing such a good job in charge? I think the impression we have is that Wael's perceived character, especially the friendliness and good nature, fits the profile of being a Gashead and that is why so many Rovers fans have been drawn to him. Unfortunately I have come to the conclusion, based on what I've seen and heard, that Wael's true character is not quite what people want it to be. His whole life has been shaped by having a rich father who gave him all the wealth and privileges he could without him having to work for them. Consequently Wael is someone who has never seen the need to adopt the trait of taking responsibility seriously and this, IMO, is the main reason why Rovers are in such a mess.
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Post by yaz on Jan 16, 2020 19:10:19 GMT
Tricky. On the face of it they have taken us over with a stadium deal in place and the opportunity to progress us as a club and got nowhere with it. They have tried for almost 4 years now to deliver an alternative and the debts have mounted. Of course, this is extremely disappointing. On the other hand we’re not privy to, and probably never will be, the information as to how good the deal was, and we have no idea really how the negotiations for other sites have gone and how an alternative ownership would have done. Additionally, what would have happened if they hadn’t have got involved? Nobody can speculate on this - not even those who believe themselves to be in the know. That said the last 18 months have been a particularly dark time. Losing our long serving manager who has delivered us the most promotions we’ve ever seen. Seeing a manager save us from relegation and take us to a promotion seeking position to leave us for a lower league club and be replaced by a manager who has done the flip opposite of his predecessor. To top this off we have BGs unfortunate circumstances (which is of course not the fault if anyone connected to the club) We’re a mess on the field and off the field matters are as up in the air as they ever have been. But under different owners, would anything be any different? Would we be in business? Like we say in hindsight regards GC, perhaps better the devil you know, and be careful what you wish for. But the one thing for certain is there is precious little to be excited about right now. we can barely muster the effort to sing to back the boys let alone anything else - one depressed fan base imo We were almost dead and buried last season. it only takes a game, especially a big game to turn things around. unfortunately with Rovers, no games are easy! A few wins and we will be in the play offs? Same players so nothing changed. Same issues as before when we rose to 4th so .... Could do with more skilful players, better quality football, more shots on target especially in the wet, less mistakes, but ..... this is Rovers for the last n seasons. Personally, I do not blame the owners for the team’s performance? Did we praise the owners for being 4th and in 2 cups a month ago? UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 16, 2020 19:14:24 GMT
Amazed at the amount of yes votes - wow! Can somebody tell me why they think they are doing such a good job in charge? Prhaps that's G1981 and Daniel with 40 different log on desperately voting "yes"? If not I guess that explains why as a club we've never progressed as fans are just happy with the status quo. One problem with the poll are the other 3 questions are really no's so spliting the voting, there should really by a simply yes or no answer to get a true reflection of what posters think about Wael, although it should really be the ALQ's anyway.
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Post by LJG on Jan 16, 2020 19:15:29 GMT
I suppose the alternative is to stop blocking other potential owners with demands to keep a % of the football club after any takeover and let one of the other 12 or 13 interested parties (that Wael spoke of after his takeover) have a go at delivering what Waely obviously can't. We're going nowhere fast with this narcissistic fantasist at the helm. You seem to have become very bitter and angry at the owners and Wael in particular recently. What's prompted that? Too much time on the FB appreciation page.
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Post by lpgas on Jan 16, 2020 19:24:26 GMT
Get out of my club...…………….to be replaced by who?
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Post by theduke on Jan 16, 2020 20:19:58 GMT
Nice guy. Going to bring us forward as a club, delivering a stadium and a training ground suitable for professional footballers, not a chance. Well, that's the crux of it. These past few years have all been about giving Wael a plaything so he can be a football club owner, which can open lots of doors for him personally. The family probably had an amount in mind which they felt comfortable losing on this vanity project and now they've reached the point whereby it's not financially feasible for them to continue, but the lack of progress on and off the pitch makes this club a hard sell for new buyers. They were supposed to deliver a training ground fit for a professional football team and a new stadium and they haven't come close bar a photo of Wael, DC, Hamer and Stewey stood on some wasteland somewhere freezing their tits off. Not even a spade in the ground since!!!
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 16, 2020 20:26:26 GMT
I’m undecided about being undecided. I’ve steered clear of commenting on most of the ground threads and know little about the finances of us but my questions are: Have they put money into the club? I presume they did to clear the debt Higgs had taken on but reading the annual accounts the annual losses are being set against our asset of the Mem so when they sell they will plan to get their money back. Is that right? The family/ Wael is protecting themselves via Dwayne Sports. Who is protecting BRFC? They are not putting money into the club in the form of shares as others do. At least that is my understanding.
Why did they buy us if they were not prepared to develop us, however slowly, and build up the ground and training facilities? I know they said it would be evolution not revolution and they wouldn’t be throwing money at us. In that respect they have done what they said. They also said the ground would be built and money / finance was not a problem. That was clearly incorrect. So what they said at the beginning means nothing. Simple question why buy us if they weren’t going to do what needed doing? It is completely bizarre. My own personal opinion is they realised within a year that owning a lower league football club was a mistake but didn’t know how to get out of the situation without losing face.
I like Wael, he’s personable, smiley etc. But he is no leader, if he ever had a plan for us it didn’t work and he certainly had no plan B. His family appear to have bought him a toy to play with for 4/5 years but he had no experience, no plan and little idea how to generate income, run a football club and his scattergun approach to recruitment in terms of staff, directors, upper management shows, imo, he hasn’t a clue what works or how we will progress. I suspect the football world are aware of his inabilities and the fantasy world he seems to live in. He got away with some of this when he had DC or even GC who had connections and knew who to organise a team.
He loves social media but is clearly incapable of communicating any message, any vision or any plan to the customers/ fanbase / support which made BRFC what it is. I know people said he “got us” but I now see he has never understood what it means to be gas. I’m sure most fans can accept the truth however unpleasant it is if the deliverer has a plan or a way forward. We’ve had more information from DC in the past year and he’s been gone since December ‘18. If I had run my schools or communicated as badly as he does I would have been sacked pretty early on and I suspect many on here would be similar. I really don’t think it’s too much to expect regular communications. He comes over as scared to face up the fans in an open way.
To those on here who say he’s better than others and better the devil you know I can somehow agree but I’m not completely sure. The tipping point, when our debts are larger than the assets (the Mem) will show if he really is better than the devil you know, until then... When that point arrives what will he do? He’s had no plan since August ‘17 when the UWE went t*** up and I’m not sure he’ll have a plan when the tipping point comes. I fear that the family, based in Jordan, will have a plan. But I’m sure he’ll be smiling away and telling us (or rather not) that everyone’s working hard to get a resolution.
In the end he can be a nice a man as possible but that’s not what BRFC needs, we need a businessman, someone with either financial clout or access to it, someone with a vision and someone who is a leader and not someone who has to wait until his dad or his brother says “yes.” Writing this post has given me my answer I think! I’m sure there will be many who disagree with me, no problem, I hope I’m wrong.
UTG!
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Post by oliverhelmet on Jan 16, 2020 20:46:54 GMT
It seems we are inevitably heading towards the cliff edge at full on pace with the AQ. If that’s correct then get out ASAP is the only answer in my view.People keep saying better the devil you know but we as a viable football club are dead in the water on our current course, so let’s take that last chance,if it still exists that is.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 16, 2020 20:50:58 GMT
I’m undecided about being undecided. I’ve steered clear of commenting on most of the ground threads and know little about the finances of us but my questions are: Have they put money into the club? I presume they did to clear the debt Higgs had taken on but reading the annual accounts the annual losses are being set against our asset of the Mem so when they sell they will plan to get their money back. Is that right? The family/ Wael is protecting themselves via Dwayne Sports. Who is protecting BRFC? They are not putting money into the club in the form of shares as others do. At least that is my understanding. Why did they buy us if they were not prepared to develop us, however slowly, and build up the ground and training facilities? I know they said it would be evolution not revolution and they wouldn’t be throwing money at us. In that respect they have done what they said. They also said the ground would be built and money / finance was not a problem. That was clearly incorrect. So what they said at the beginning means nothing. Simple question why buy us if they weren’t going to do what needed doing? It is completely bizarre. My own personal opinion is they realised within a year that owning a lower league football club was a mistake but didn’t know how to get out of the situation without losing face. I like Wael, he’s personable, smiley etc. But he is no leader, if he ever had a plan for us it didn’t work and he certainly had no plan B. His family appear to have bought him a toy to play with for 4/5 years but he had no experience, no plan and little idea how to generate income, run a football club and his scattergun approach to recruitment in terms of staff, directors, upper management shows, imo, he hasn’t a clue what works or how we will progress. I suspect the football world are aware of his inabilities and the fantasy world he seems to live in. He got away with some of this when he had DC or even GC who had connections and knew who to organise a team. He loves social media but is clearly incapable of communicating any message, any vision or any plan to the customers/ fanbase / support which made BRFC what it is. I know people said he “got us” but I now see he has never understood what it means to be gas. I’m sure most fans can accept the truth however unpleasant it is if the deliverer has a plan or a way forward. We’ve had more information from DC in the past year and he’s been gone since December ‘18. If I had run my schools or communicated as badly as he does I would have been sacked pretty early on and I suspect many on here would be similar. I really don’t think it’s too much to expect regular communications. He comes over as scared to face up the fans in an open way. To those on here who say he’s better than others and better the devil you know I can somehow agree but I’m not completely sure. The tipping point, when our debts are larger than the assets (the Mem) will show if he really is better than the devil you know, until then... When that point arrives what will he do? He’s had no plan since August ‘17 when the UWE went t*** up and I’m not sure he’ll have a plan when the tipping point comes. I fear that the family, based in Jordan, will have a plan. But I’m sure he’ll be smiling away and telling us (or rather not) that everyone’s working hard to get a resolution. In the end he can be a nice a man as possible but that’s not what BRFC needs, we need a businessman, someone with either financial clout or access to it, someone with a vision and someone who is a leader and not someone who has to wait until his dad or his brother says “yes.” Writing this post has given me my answer I think! I’m sure there will be many who disagree with me, no problem, I hope I’m wrong. UTG! Good balanced post Wareham. That's about where I am with them.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 16, 2020 20:59:34 GMT
I’m undecided about being undecided. I’ve steered clear of commenting on most of the ground threads and know little about the finances of us but my questions are: Have they put money into the club? I presume they did to clear the debt Higgs had taken on but reading the annual accounts the annual losses are being set against our asset of the Mem so when they sell they will plan to get their money back. Is that right? The family/ Wael is protecting themselves via Dwayne Sports. Who is protecting BRFC? They are not putting money into the club in the form of shares as others do. At least that is my understanding. Why did they buy us if they were not prepared to develop us, however slowly, and build up the ground and training facilities? I know they said it would be evolution not revolution and they wouldn’t be throwing money at us. In that respect they have done what they said. They also said the ground would be built and money / finance was not a problem. That was clearly incorrect. So what they said at the beginning means nothing. Simple question why buy us if they weren’t going to do what needed doing? It is completely bizarre. My own personal opinion is they realised within a year that owning a lower league football club was a mistake but didn’t know how to get out of the situation without losing face. I like Wael, he’s personable, smiley etc. But he is no leader, if he ever had a plan for us it didn’t work and he certainly had no plan B. His family appear to have bought him a toy to play with for 4/5 years but he had no experience, no plan and little idea how to generate income, run a football club and his scattergun approach to recruitment in terms of staff, directors, upper management shows, imo, he hasn’t a clue what works or how we will progress. I suspect the football world are aware of his inabilities and the fantasy world he seems to live in. He got away with some of this when he had DC or even GC who had connections and knew who to organise a team. He loves social media but is clearly incapable of communicating any message, any vision or any plan to the customers/ fanbase / support which made BRFC what it is. I know people said he “got us” but I now see he has never understood what it means to be gas. I’m sure most fans can accept the truth however unpleasant it is if the deliverer has a plan or a way forward. We’ve had more information from DC in the past year and he’s been gone since December ‘18. If I had run my schools or communicated as badly as he does I would have been sacked pretty early on and I suspect many on here would be similar. I really don’t think it’s too much to expect regular communications. He comes over as scared to face up the fans in an open way. To those on here who say he’s better than others and better the devil you know I can somehow agree but I’m not completely sure. The tipping point, when our debts are larger than the assets (the Mem) will show if he really is better than the devil you know, until then... When that point arrives what will he do? He’s had no plan since August ‘17 when the UWE went t*** up and I’m not sure he’ll have a plan when the tipping point comes. I fear that the family, based in Jordan, will have a plan. But I’m sure he’ll be smiling away and telling us (or rather not) that everyone’s working hard to get a resolution. In the end he can be a nice a man as possible but that’s not what BRFC needs, we need a businessman, someone with either financial clout or access to it, someone with a vision and someone who is a leader and not someone who has to wait until his dad or his brother says “yes.” Writing this post has given me my answer I think! I’m sure there will be many who disagree with me, no problem, I hope I’m wrong. UTG! I don’t disagree with a single word Wareham. Paragraphs would have been nice though 😀
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 16, 2020 22:09:09 GMT
I’m undecided about being undecided. I’ve steered clear of commenting on most of the ground threads and know little about the finances of us but my questions are: Have they put money into the club? I presume they did to clear the debt Higgs had taken on but reading the annual accounts the annual losses are being set against our asset of the Mem so when they sell they will plan to get their money back. Is that right? The family/ Wael is protecting themselves via Dwayne Sports. Who is protecting BRFC? They are not putting money into the club in the form of shares as others do. At least that is my understanding. Why did they buy us if they were not prepared to develop us, however slowly, and build up the ground and training facilities? I know they said it would be evolution not revolution and they wouldn’t be throwing money at us. In that respect they have done what they said. They also said the ground would be built and money / finance was not a problem. That was clearly incorrect. So what they said at the beginning means nothing. Simple question why buy us if they weren’t going to do what needed doing? It is completely bizarre. My own personal opinion is they realised within a year that owning a lower league football club was a mistake but didn’t know how to get out of the situation without losing face. I like Wael, he’s personable, smiley etc. But he is no leader, if he ever had a plan for us it didn’t work and he certainly had no plan B. His family appear to have bought him a toy to play with for 4/5 years but he had no experience, no plan and little idea how to generate income, run a football club and his scattergun approach to recruitment in terms of staff, directors, upper management shows, imo, he hasn’t a clue what works or how we will progress. I suspect the football world are aware of his inabilities and the fantasy world he seems to live in. He got away with some of this when he had DC or even GC who had connections and knew who to organise a team. He loves social media but is clearly incapable of communicating any message, any vision or any plan to the customers/ fanbase / support which made BRFC what it is. I know people said he “got us” but I now see he has never understood what it means to be gas. I’m sure most fans can accept the truth however unpleasant it is if the deliverer has a plan or a way forward. We’ve had more information from DC in the past year and he’s been gone since December ‘18. If I had run my schools or communicated as badly as he does I would have been sacked pretty early on and I suspect many on here would be similar. I really don’t think it’s too much to expect regular communications. He comes over as scared to face up the fans in an open way. To those on here who say he’s better than others and better the devil you know I can somehow agree but I’m not completely sure. The tipping point, when our debts are larger than the assets (the Mem) will show if he really is better than the devil you know, until then... When that point arrives what will he do? He’s had no plan since August ‘17 when the UWE went t*** up and I’m not sure he’ll have a plan when the tipping point comes. I fear that the family, based in Jordan, will have a plan. But I’m sure he’ll be smiling away and telling us (or rather not) that everyone’s working hard to get a resolution. In the end he can be a nice a man as possible but that’s not what BRFC needs, we need a businessman, someone with either financial clout or access to it, someone with a vision and someone who is a leader and not someone who has to wait until his dad or his brother says “yes.” Writing this post has given me my answer I think! I’m sure there will be many who disagree with me, no problem, I hope I’m wrong. UTG! I don’t disagree with a single word Wareham. Paragraphs would have been nice though 😀 Apologies FTB! Have edited it.☹️ UTG!
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