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Post by baggins on Jul 5, 2020 11:28:27 GMT
Did you manage to get back to the pub Baggins? My local opens tomorrow. When lockdown started I was really lost as to what to do during the day as I visited daily. Since then I've got used to doing other things, but I'm looking forward to seeing friends again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:57:13 GMT
Early days but quite a few scientists fear covid is airborne, although it's not officially accepted. reut.rs/3e25jsXAlso an interesting battle line being drawn in the USA (which appears to be aiming for herd immunity). One camp claiming Hydroxychloroquine is a genuine treatment, the WHO still claiming it is not useful. It's become very political.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 19:12:56 GMT
Meanwhile, in Japan, despite the incredible size and density of population, (Tokyo population 8.3m, 6150 per square km, London has 5200 per square km), and there being a couple of other big Cities, the virus hasn't taken a hold in the same way as it has elsewhere.
They have, I believe, the largest % of elderly people in their population anywhere in the world, but still no huge number of deaths. Total today is 977 deaths, total population, 126m.
91% of Japanese people live in cities.
My reading is that they have a different attitude to the west, they are more centred around what's best for the family / school / business / university / company / community / country than what may give instant personal gratification (see the disgraceful scenes in Soho and elsewhere yesterday).
Face masks have been the norm there for many years, if you feel unwell, even just a slight sniffle, you wear a mask, it would be just anti-social to do anything else, and the population act like adults, so if a government official asks that they stay home, respect social distancing, please do not open your shop unless it's providing an essential service, the vast majority will do just that.
The follow on from that is that if a government official were to be caught driving hundreds of miles for no good reason, as Cummings did, or going to a birthday party as that Labour bloke did, or going to see his Dad, as Kinnock Jnr did, he would get hauled up in front of TV cameras and made to apologise and resign in disgrace.
I like the Japanese model more than the UK way of doing things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 22:21:10 GMT
Meanwhile, in Japan, despite the incredible size and density of population, (Tokyo population 8.3m, 6150 per square km, London has 5200 per square km), and there being a couple of other big Cities, the virus hasn't taken a hold in the same way as it has elsewhere. They have, I believe, the largest % of elderly people in their population anywhere in the world, but still no huge number of deaths. Total today is 977 deaths, total population, 126m. 91% of Japanese people live in cities. My reading is that they have a different attitude to the west, they are more centred around what's best for the family / school / business / university / company / community / country than what may give instant personal gratification (see the disgraceful scenes in Soho and elsewhere yesterday). Face masks have been the norm there for many years, if you feel unwell, even just a slight sniffle, you wear a mask, it would be just anti-social to do anything else, and the population act like adults, so if a government official asks that they stay home, respect social distancing, please do not open your shop unless it's providing an essential service, the vast majority will do just that. The follow on from that is that if a government official were to be caught driving hundreds of miles for no good reason, as Cummings did, or going to a birthday party as that Labour bloke did, or going to see his Dad, as Kinnock Jnr did, he would get hauled up in front of TV cameras and made to apologise and resign in disgrace. I like the Japanese model more than the UK way of doing things. You ever been there?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 22:32:56 GMT
Meanwhile, in Japan, despite the incredible size and density of population, (Tokyo population 8.3m, 6150 per square km, London has 5200 per square km), and there being a couple of other big Cities, the virus hasn't taken a hold in the same way as it has elsewhere. They have, I believe, the largest % of elderly people in their population anywhere in the world, but still no huge number of deaths. Total today is 977 deaths, total population, 126m. 91% of Japanese people live in cities. My reading is that they have a different attitude to the west, they are more centred around what's best for the family / school / business / university / company / community / country than what may give instant personal gratification (see the disgraceful scenes in Soho and elsewhere yesterday). Face masks have been the norm there for many years, if you feel unwell, even just a slight sniffle, you wear a mask, it would be just anti-social to do anything else, and the population act like adults, so if a government official asks that they stay home, respect social distancing, please do not open your shop unless it's providing an essential service, the vast majority will do just that. The follow on from that is that if a government official were to be caught driving hundreds of miles for no good reason, as Cummings did, or going to a birthday party as that Labour bloke did, or going to see his Dad, as Kinnock Jnr did, he would get hauled up in front of TV cameras and made to apologise and resign in disgrace. I like the Japanese model more than the UK way of doing things. You ever been there? Is that relevant to the points above?
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 6, 2020 5:59:27 GMT
Meanwhile, in Japan, despite the incredible size and density of population, (Tokyo population 8.3m, 6150 per square km, London has 5200 per square km), and there being a couple of other big Cities, the virus hasn't taken a hold in the same way as it has elsewhere. They have, I believe, the largest % of elderly people in their population anywhere in the world, but still no huge number of deaths. Total today is 977 deaths, total population, 126m. 91% of Japanese people live in cities. My reading is that they have a different attitude to the west, they are more centred around what's best for the family / school / business / university / company / community / country than what may give instant personal gratification (see the disgraceful scenes in Soho and elsewhere yesterday). Face masks have been the norm there for many years, if you feel unwell, even just a slight sniffle, you wear a mask, it would be just anti-social to do anything else, and the population act like adults, so if a government official asks that they stay home, respect social distancing, please do not open your shop unless it's providing an essential service, the vast majority will do just that. The follow on from that is that if a government official were to be caught driving hundreds of miles for no good reason, as Cummings did, or going to a birthday party as that Labour bloke did, or going to see his Dad, as Kinnock Jnr did, he would get hauled up in front of TV cameras and made to apologise and resign in disgrace. I like the Japanese model more than the UK way of doing things. You ever been there? I don`t think we`re a nation that reacts well to be being told what to do. Perhaps the Japanese are. And perhaps they had better, ( or at least clearer ) advice from their government too. Funnily enough, Mr Jung, I was planning a trip there for next year, when all this nonsense started. If I ever get there, I`ll PM you and let you know what it was like.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 6:08:15 GMT
Is that relevant to the points above? Relevant perhaps to your perception.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 9:44:21 GMT
Is that relevant to the points above? Relevant perhaps to your perception. Yes, I've lived there for a period of years and have friends who are Japanese nationals, friends who are westerners who live there, and one person with a Japanese Mother and Kiwi Father who splits his time between those places. I visit most years. But the stuff I quoted I thought were universally agreed opinions about the place. As an example of how people there are encouraged to hold a view of community responsibility, and this is just a tiny thing, but it's indicative; in what's their equivalent of our Primary school, lunch is typically collected from the school kitchen, where the entire class will thank the cooks for preparing the meal, after eating, which is a civilised affair, including small expressions of gratitude before and after eating, the pupils themselves return the plates and trays to the kitchen where they again thank the cooks for the meal, now the interesting bit, they go back to the dining hall and clean it so that it's in a nice condition for someone else to use. This continues all through the education system. We are talking about this starting with children of around 5 years old. This is the start of proper manners and community responsibility. I absolutely love it. Try that here and you would probably get human rights activists after you. You would probably be running around in circles foaming at the mouth with your arms in the air screaming 'racism' at what passes as acceptable employment selection conduct. Obviously I can't speak for every company, but from what I've seen often what happens would be that if 2 equally qualified people apply for a job, one is Japanese the other isn't, the Japanese person will get the position. They see no reason to explain that, they would rather look after a Japanese national, and that person's culture will be closer aligned to the existing culture throughout the company. How terribly regressive looking after your own people first and foremost. But if a foreigner actually 'adds' value then he/she will be welcomed with open arms. See how it's harmed their economy and what nasty people they are. I can tell you from personal experience, they are, typically, kind and gentle people, it's always a pleasure to arrive there and there's a short period of adjustment to a louder, brasher, more self centred attitude when I return to the UK. One final thought about virus transmission there, they don't do the same 'touchy feely' stuff that we do here, obviously somewhere like Tokyo if commuting you can't not touch, but as an example, if queuing here it wouldn't be unusual to find someone literally right behind you, or on terraces here you continually get touched by people around you, that would never happen there, people there respect personal space.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 10:10:38 GMT
"They see no reason to explain that, they would rather look after a Japanese national, and that person's culture will be closer aligned to the existing culture throughout the company.
How terribly regressive looking after your own people"
I have only visited for pleasure and my work exposure has been limited.
From that limited exposure I agree with your comment highlighted.
Where I disagree with you, surprise surprise, is that I find that attitude abhorrent. Intellectual inbreeding at it's worse, cultural arrogance that leads to images of Nero and Rome in flames. Have you looked at the demographic time bomb they are sitting on. I have not looked in a while but I believe they are on target for a serious reduction in the size of their population, so bad that they will not be able to maintain their current economy. On a more prosaic note about ten years ago I had dealings with Mitsubishi UK (I think that was their legal entity) and had extended conversations with their HR Director. The lady was American, spoke fluent Japanese and spent 4 years studying Japanese pottery making on some remote Japanese Island. She was very far from anti Japanese. But what she did tell me about was the extreme misogyny expressed by the senior male management team, the arrogance and elitism and the disdain held for people deemed to be from "lower classes"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 10:15:16 GMT
I don`t think we`re a nation that reacts well to be being told what to do. Perhaps the Japanese are. And perhaps they had better, ( or at least clearer ) advice from their government too. Funnily enough, Mr Jung, I was planning a trip there for next year, when all this nonsense started. If I ever get there, I`ll PM you and let you know what it was like. No, the advice wasn't particularly clear, it's easy to find on the internet, it was just a request to do a few things, in the interest of the community and country, and people, mostly, did the right thing. Contrast that to the street parties (riots) in London, ridiculous demonstrations, crowded beaches, scenes in Soho etc. My advice for visiting Japan, learn just a few words, such as please, thank you and numbers so that you can do prices in shops, that's a little thing but it's appreciated, and do an hour of research about good manners in the place, there are some things that people do here that will make you stand out there, not in a good way, so please do not use your mobile on public transport, nobody else is interested in your phone call, don't eat on public transport, nobody else wants to smell your lunch, no tipping in restaurants, never ever leave litter, when entering a house always check to see if there are shoes or a shoe rack by the door, if so then you probably need to take yours off, so make sure you have decent socks on Have a Google for other 'things not to do in Japan' it's a fantastic place, you'll love it.
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 6, 2020 10:53:06 GMT
I don`t think we`re a nation that reacts well to be being told what to do. Perhaps the Japanese are. And perhaps they had better, ( or at least clearer ) advice from their government too. Funnily enough, Mr Jung, I was planning a trip there for next year, when all this nonsense started. If I ever get there, I`ll PM you and let you know what it was like. No, the advice wasn't particularly clear, it's easy to find on the internet, it was just a request to do a few things, in the interest of the community and country, and people, mostly, did the right thing. Contrast that to the street parties (riots) in London, ridiculous demonstrations, crowded beaches, scenes in Soho etc. My advice for visiting Japan, learn just a few words, such as please, thank you and numbers so that you can do prices in shops, that's a little thing but it's appreciated, and do an hour of research about good manners in the place, there are some things that people do here that will make you stand out there, not in a good way, so please do not use your mobile on public transport, nobody else is interested in your phone call, don't eat on public transport, nobody else wants to smell your lunch, no tipping in restaurants, never ever leave litter, when entering a house always check to see if there are shoes or a shoe rack by the door, if so then you probably need to take yours off, so make sure you have decent socks on Have a Google for other 'things not to do in Japan' it's a fantastic place, you'll love it. Thanks for advice. I was quite far advanced in my planning, when the pandemic struck. It looks like a great country. Hope I get there. Wherever I`ve been in the world, I`ve always learned the local words for "please" and "thank you", at the very least. It does sound like a complicated language. It would probably take me forever to learn how to say, "Your attitude is abhorrent. Also you are intellectually inbred and culturally arrogant. Oh, and your economy will soon be f**ked" But I don`t think it, so I shan`t say it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 10:56:54 GMT
"They see no reason to explain that, they would rather look after a Japanese national, and that person's culture will be closer aligned to the existing culture throughout the company. How terribly regressive looking after your own people" I have only visited for pleasure and my work exposure has been limited. From that limited exposure I agree with your comment highlighted. Where I disagree with you, surprise surprise, is that I find that attitude abhorrent. Intellectual inbreeding at it's worse, cultural arrogance that leads to images of Nero and Rome in flames. Have you looked at the demographic time bomb they are sitting on. I have not looked in a while but I believe they are on target for a serious reduction in the size of their population, so bad that they will not be able to maintain their current economy. On a more prosaic note about ten years ago I had dealings with Mitsubishi UK (I think that was their legal entity) and had extended conversations with their HR Director. The lady was American, spoke fluent Japanese and spent 4 years studying Japanese pottery making on some remote Japanese Island. She was very far from anti Japanese. But what she did tell me about was the extreme misogyny expressed by the senior male management team, the arrogance and elitism and the disdain held for people deemed to be from "lower classes" Of course you see your epithets everywhere, you can't think beyond that. Society is structured differently, there are typical male and female roles, more emphasis on the family as a unit, it's probably similar in that regard to what you and I grew up with in this country, but nobody would bat an eyelid at a female working through a company, or a male staying home whilst the Lady of the house went to work. Now you have my testimony about Japan being a much more civilised place than Mrs Mitsubishi Lady suggested, you can change your view and move forward with a more balanced view of Japan. Why is population reduction a bad thing? Go to Tokyo, those images you see of guards with linked arms backing commuters into train carriages are real, there are too many people, outside of the cities the land isn't particularly suitable for agriculture, so a reduction in population may be appropriate. In terms of economy, it's not an issue as with mechanism continuing to move forward, my understanding is that the situation is sustainable with the projected reduction in population over the next couple of generations. Do you think that the way in which people there are encouraged to see themselves as part of a society and taking collective responsibility (see classroom example) is a good thing? I do, it manifests itself in people not all rushing out to Soho and acting like selfish idiots, or the same groups not rioting night after night in Brixton. I'll end by just politely pointing out what you've said about Japan, their culture is 'abhorrent', what would you say if, for example, I was to select something about Islam and label it 'abhorrent', or maybe something I didn't like about any particular immigrant community in the UK? Sorry, but you are a racist and a bigot, this is worse than the expression that Starkey used.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 11:02:13 GMT
No, the advice wasn't particularly clear, it's easy to find on the internet, it was just a request to do a few things, in the interest of the community and country, and people, mostly, did the right thing. Contrast that to the street parties (riots) in London, ridiculous demonstrations, crowded beaches, scenes in Soho etc. My advice for visiting Japan, learn just a few words, such as please, thank you and numbers so that you can do prices in shops, that's a little thing but it's appreciated, and do an hour of research about good manners in the place, there are some things that people do here that will make you stand out there, not in a good way, so please do not use your mobile on public transport, nobody else is interested in your phone call, don't eat on public transport, nobody else wants to smell your lunch, no tipping in restaurants, never ever leave litter, when entering a house always check to see if there are shoes or a shoe rack by the door, if so then you probably need to take yours off, so make sure you have decent socks on Have a Google for other 'things not to do in Japan' it's a fantastic place, you'll love it. Thanks for advice. I was quite far advanced in my planning, when the pandemic struck. It looks like a great country. Hope I get there. Wherever I`ve been in the world, I`ve always learned the local words for "please" and "thank you", at the very least. It does sound like a complicated language. It would probably take me forever to learn how to say, "Your attitude is abhorrent. Also you are intellectually inbred and culturally arrogant. Oh, and your economy will soon be f**ked" But I don`t think it, so I shan`t say it. Just listen for the reply that Oldie would get; Gaikokujin obaka Then they would politely smile, bow and walk away. But remember, Oldie says it's everybody else who is racist. What a complete clown that bloke is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 14:09:41 GMT
"They see no reason to explain that, they would rather look after a Japanese national, and that person's culture will be closer aligned to the existing culture throughout the company. How terribly regressive looking after your own people" I have only visited for pleasure and my work exposure has been limited. From that limited exposure I agree with your comment highlighted. Where I disagree with you, surprise surprise, is that I find that attitude abhorrent. Intellectual inbreeding at it's worse, cultural arrogance that leads to images of Nero and Rome in flames. Have you looked at the demographic time bomb they are sitting on. I have not looked in a while but I believe they are on target for a serious reduction in the size of their population, so bad that they will not be able to maintain their current economy. On a more prosaic note about ten years ago I had dealings with Mitsubishi UK (I think that was their legal entity) and had extended conversations with their HR Director. The lady was American, spoke fluent Japanese and spent 4 years studying Japanese pottery making on some remote Japanese Island. She was very far from anti Japanese. But what she did tell me about was the extreme misogyny expressed by the senior male management team, the arrogance and elitism and the disdain held for people deemed to be from "lower classes" Of course you see your epithets everywhere, you can't think beyond that. Society is structured differently, there are typical male and female roles, more emphasis on the family as a unit, it's probably similar in that regard to what you and I grew up with in this country, but nobody would bat an eyelid at a female working through a company, or a male staying home whilst the Lady of the house went to work. Now you have my testimony about Japan being a much more civilised place than Mrs Mitsubishi Lady suggested, you can change your view and move forward with a more balanced view of Japan. Why is population reduction a bad thing? Go to Tokyo, those images you see of guards with linked arms backing commuters into train carriages are real, there are too many people, outside of the cities the land isn't particularly suitable for agriculture, so a reduction in population may be appropriate. In terms of economy, it's not an issue as with mechanism continuing to move forward, my understanding is that the situation is sustainable with the projected reduction in population over the next couple of generations. Do you think that the way in which people there are encouraged to see themselves as part of a society and taking collective responsibility (see classroom example) is a good thing? I do, it manifests itself in people not all rushing out to Soho and acting like selfish idiots, or the same groups not rioting night after night in Brixton. I'll end by just politely pointing out what you've said about Japan, their culture is 'abhorrent', what would you say if, for example, I was to select something about Islam and label it 'abhorrent', or maybe something I didn't like about any particular immigrant community in the UK? Sorry, but you are a racist and a bigot, this is worse than the expression that Starkey used. Man you are a laugh a minute. Epithets, mine, everywhere... paranoia runs deep it seems. Typical female "Roles"!!! Wtf are they then? Paraphrasing the Lorraine Chase ad from back in the day, "Have you truly wafted in from the 1950s??" Your testimony?? 😂😂😂 Given the above its about noteworthy as a poem from Worzel Gummedge. Glad you think a declining population, one which leaves a declining number of people of working age supporting the tax base of an increasing number of people of non working age is "sustainable". Ummmmmmm🧐 And I did not say their "Culture" was abhorrent, that you making it up, again. I said the attitude you quoted, suggested, was abhorrent (to me). Having again made up an argument in your own head, with statements you made up, you proudly conclude that I am a racist and a bigot. Laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 14:23:08 GMT
Of course you see your epithets everywhere, you can't think beyond that. Society is structured differently, there are typical male and female roles, more emphasis on the family as a unit, it's probably similar in that regard to what you and I grew up with in this country, but nobody would bat an eyelid at a female working through a company, or a male staying home whilst the Lady of the house went to work. Now you have my testimony about Japan being a much more civilised place than Mrs Mitsubishi Lady suggested, you can change your view and move forward with a more balanced view of Japan. Why is population reduction a bad thing? Go to Tokyo, those images you see of guards with linked arms backing commuters into train carriages are real, there are too many people, outside of the cities the land isn't particularly suitable for agriculture, so a reduction in population may be appropriate. In terms of economy, it's not an issue as with mechanism continuing to move forward, my understanding is that the situation is sustainable with the projected reduction in population over the next couple of generations. Do you think that the way in which people there are encouraged to see themselves as part of a society and taking collective responsibility (see classroom example) is a good thing? I do, it manifests itself in people not all rushing out to Soho and acting like selfish idiots, or the same groups not rioting night after night in Brixton. I'll end by just politely pointing out what you've said about Japan, their culture is 'abhorrent', what would you say if, for example, I was to select something about Islam and label it 'abhorrent', or maybe something I didn't like about any particular immigrant community in the UK? Sorry, but you are a racist and a bigot, this is worse than the expression that Starkey used. Man you are a laugh a minute. Epithets, mine, everywhere... paranoia runs deep it seems. Typical female "Roles"!!! Wtf are they then? Paraphrasing the Lorraine Chase ad from back in the day, "Have you truly wafted in from the 1950s??" Your testimony?? 😂😂😂 Given the above its about noteworthy as a poem from Worzel Gummedge. Glad you think a declining population, one which leaves a declining number of people of working age supporting the tax base of an increasing number of people of non working age is "sustainable". Ummmmmmm🧐 And I did not say their "Culture" was abhorrent, that you making it up, again. I said the attitude you quoted, suggested, was abhorrent (to me). Having again made up an argument in your own head, with statements you made up, you proudly conclude that I am a racist and a bigot. Laughable. So your answer is an ever increasing population. Mr Gummidge, can I introduce you to Aunt Sally. It's perfectly clear what you said, no ambiguity. You think that not giving preference to a foreigner with the same qualifications is 'abhorrent', wriggle away all you like, you've already said it. Too late now. Just to remind you, because you seem to have forgotten what you said; Utterly disgusting, not for the first time, shame on you. You still haven't looked at those Scandinavian social experiments I pointed you towards, or you wouldn't resist expressions such as 'typical female roles', there are also roles which more males are attracted to. Go educate yourself, when you can keep up with the conversation please join in again. Anyway, do you see what you've done. I commented on Covid in Japan, tried to focus on positives in what they've done there, you've waded in, in 5 minutes flat insults are flying everywhere. What on earth is wrong with you, why do you have to find problems, division, look for reasons to criticise absolutely everywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 16:36:08 GMT
I have wondered for a while, if there is something wrong with you and now I am convinced. It appears you don't even realise what you are writing. It's quite funny really. I disagree with you so you call me " but you are a racist and a bigot,"
Only to then "you've waded in, in 5 minutes flat insults are flying everywhere"
Yep, that's you. I notice a trend, Shoveller walked away from the other forum because of you, you tried the same tactic with Gassy, you do it even if I say hello.
The best course of action is to ignore you, as is clear that several regular posters in this section are doing by no longer posting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 17:17:40 GMT
I have wondered for a while, if there is something wrong with you and now I am convinced. It appears you don't even realise what you are writing. It's quite funny really. I disagree with you so you call me " but you are a racist and a bigot," Only to then "you've waded in, in 5 minutes flat insults are flying everywhere" Yep, that's you. I notice a trend, Shoveller walked away from the other forum because of you, you tried the same tactic with Gassy, you do it even if I say hello. The best course of action is to ignore you, as is clear that several regular posters in this section are doing by no longer posting. Tell you what then, try having a conversation where you don't spit your dummy if someone challenges something you've said, just accept that it's questioning your point of view and putting forward a different opinion. Where on earth did ''Intellectual inbreeding at it's worse, cultural arrogance'' come from? Was there really any need for that? That's my second home, I have many dear friends there! So, do you want to do fact based discussion, where we both support our points of view? I'm up for it. We have 2 maybe 3 things so far today that I think we can develop; Japan population. The Covid situation there. Social responsibility / conduct, see comments about infants cleaning school dining area. They also have out of school litter patrols, it's normal for pupils to attend, not that there's any litter, especially around Tokyo since the sarin incidents, which I think were 1995, I was around 400 yards from one of those attacks, at a place called Ogikubo, west Tokyo, I had no idea it had happened until turning the news on and realising it was the local train station, but since then, any litter is very much frowned upon. Another small, but pleasant cultural difference. The connection between sarin and litter is that the gas that was manually released was put in plastic bags, dropped on the floor and punctured with umbrellas, so anything at all on the ground is a big no no now. Let's try to have a nice conversation, shall we?
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Post by blueridge on Jul 6, 2020 18:51:59 GMT
I have wondered for a while, if there is something wrong with you and now I am convinced. It appears you don't even realise what you are writing. It's quite funny really. I disagree with you so you call me " but you are a racist and a bigot," Only to then "you've waded in, in 5 minutes flat insults are flying everywhere" Yep, that's you. I notice a trend, Shoveller walked away from the other forum because of you, you tried the same tactic with Gassy, you do it even if I say hello. The best course of action is to ignore you, as is clear that several regular posters in this section are doing by no longer posting. Tell you what then, try having a conversation where you don't spit your dummy if someone challenges something you've said, just accept that it's questioning your point of view and putting forward a different opinion. Where on earth did ''Intellectual inbreeding at it's worse, cultural arrogance'' come from? Was there really any need for that? That's my second home, I have many dear friends there! So, do you want to do fact based discussion, where we both support our points of view? I'm up for it. We have 2 maybe 3 things so far today that I think we can develop; Japan population. The Covid situation there. Social responsibility / conduct, see comments about infants cleaning school dining area. They also have out of school litter patrols, it's normal for pupils to attend, not that there's any litter, especially around Tokyo since the sarin incidents, which I think were 1995, I was around 400 yards from one of those attacks, at a place called Ogikubo, west Tokyo, I had no idea it had happened until turning the news on and realising it was the local train station, but since then, any litter is very much frowned upon. Another small, but pleasant cultural difference. The connection between sarin and litter is that the gas that was manually released was put in plastic bags, dropped on the floor and punctured with umbrellas, so anything at all on the ground is a big no no now. Let's try to have a nice conversation, shall we? A nice conversation ? You’re having a laugh aren’t you - this Oldie geezer’s a **** joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 5:36:47 GMT
I see the blame game has started. Johnson getting in the first blow. flip.it/y_ZXga
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Post by baggins on Jul 7, 2020 5:42:09 GMT
Well this is fun isn't it? Just to post something that's actually on topic, it does seem, at the moment, that the death rate is slowly but surely decreasing, 16 yesterday I believe? I'm honestly hoping that we've seen the worst of it, there will be another short spike as people start to get back to as normal a life as possible, but fingers crossed we're coming out the other side.
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