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Post by blueridge on Mar 7, 2021 22:40:04 GMT
It was actually discussed in here a while ago about deaths being counted correctly. The consensus reached (with FranceGas agreeing) was the excess deaths was the best way to measure how well a country has dealt with the pandemic. The figures speak for themselves: The figures don’t speak for themselves - I can understand the simple arithmetic up to absolute change - how do the figures go from absolute change to relative change? What’s the source of this chart - an odd selection of countries (with a couple of exceptions) and a leaning towards Eastern Europe for some reason.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 7, 2021 23:25:09 GMT
It was actually discussed in here a while ago about deaths being counted correctly. The consensus reached (with FranceGas agreeing) was the excess deaths was the best way to measure how well a country has dealt with the pandemic. The figures speak for themselves: The figures don’t speak for themselves - I can understand the simple arithmetic up to absolute change - how do the figures go from absolute change to relative change? What’s the source of this chart - an odd selection of countries (with a couple of exceptions) and a leaning towards Eastern Europe for some reason. Well they do, pretty much every website with global excess death rates show UK at the top, or one of the highest for 2020. The countries are listed in % change ranking, the list goes on much further, but this was just a screen shot I took. You can read more here; ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 9:21:36 GMT
Daily deaths dropped below 100 yesterday for first time since October (I know the tally is lower on a Sunday night).
Will be interesting to see the UK deaths v birthrate data for 2020, I imagine there were more deaths than births last year... As the number of deaths had been catching birthrates in recent years anyway.
That is a grim paragraph for a Monday morning.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 9:25:12 GMT
That is a strange story isn't it. His missus seems to be the dead cat everytime a story against the Tories is brewing.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 8, 2021 11:02:16 GMT
Daily deaths dropped below 100 yesterday for first time since October (I know the tally is lower on a Sunday night). Will be interesting to see the UK deaths v birthrate data for 2020, I imagine there were more deaths than births last year... As the number of deaths had been catching birthrates in recent years anyway. That is a grim paragraph for a Monday morning. Hadn’t even considered this.. Data isn’t out for 2020 yet but a quick google shows births have been declining since 2010 from 807k to 712k. Deaths been on the rise in the last 6 years or so sitting at 604k in 2019. It’ll be close I think, whilst Covid (And excess) deaths will be high, other illnesses will be lower (eg flu). But then I’m sure some will have died due to lack of treatment in other indications. I also think we will feel the deaths for a few years to come, many screenings haven’t been completed this year which could raise the death count higher than usual in 4/5 years
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Mar 8, 2021 11:24:17 GMT
It was actually discussed in here a while ago about deaths being counted correctly. The consensus reached (with FranceGas agreeing) was the excess deaths was the best way to measure how well a country has dealt with the pandemic. The figures speak for themselves: I was looking forward to my summer trip to Slovakia, gutted.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 8, 2021 11:31:55 GMT
It was actually discussed in here a while ago about deaths being counted correctly. The consensus reached (with FranceGas agreeing) was the excess deaths was the best way to measure how well a country has dealt with the pandemic. The figures speak for themselves: I was looking forward to my summer trip to Slovakia, gutted. Was looking forward to the classic summer trips of Azerbaijan and Kyrgyzstan
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 12:28:06 GMT
Daily deaths dropped below 100 yesterday for first time since October (I know the tally is lower on a Sunday night). Will be interesting to see the UK deaths v birthrate data for 2020, I imagine there were more deaths than births last year... As the number of deaths had been catching birthrates in recent years anyway. That is a grim paragraph for a Monday morning. Hadn’t even considered this.. Data isn’t out for 2020 yet but a quick google shows births have been declining since 2010 from 807k to 712k. Deaths been on the rise in the last 6 years or so sitting at 604k in 2019. It’ll be close I think, whilst Covid (And excess) deaths will be high, other illnesses will be lower (eg flu). But then I’m sure some will have died due to lack of treatment in other indications. I also think we will feel the deaths for a few years to come, many screenings haven’t been completed this year which could raise the death count higher than usual in 4/5 years Main concern with the current Tories is that they are so concerned with maintaining their own power that they take their eye off the ball. Millions are pumped in to right wing think-tanks to decimate the left... But there seems little forward planning for the country, only a reactionary response when something bad happens.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 8, 2021 12:57:15 GMT
Hadn’t even considered this.. Data isn’t out for 2020 yet but a quick google shows births have been declining since 2010 from 807k to 712k. Deaths been on the rise in the last 6 years or so sitting at 604k in 2019. It’ll be close I think, whilst Covid (And excess) deaths will be high, other illnesses will be lower (eg flu). But then I’m sure some will have died due to lack of treatment in other indications. I also think we will feel the deaths for a few years to come, many screenings haven’t been completed this year which could raise the death count higher than usual in 4/5 years Main concern with the current Tories is that they are so concerned with maintaining their own power that they take their eye off the ball. Millions are pumped in to right wing think-tanks to decimate the left... But there seems little forward planning for the country, only a reactionary response when something bad happens. Yeah but it works though, doesn’t it? (In terms of keeping them in power)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 13:50:46 GMT
Main concern with the current Tories is that they are so concerned with maintaining their own power that they take their eye off the ball. Millions are pumped in to right wing think-tanks to decimate the left... But there seems little forward planning for the country, only a reactionary response when something bad happens. Yeah but it works though, doesn’t it? (In terms of keeping them in power) When did they come in to power, 2015? After being on the sidelines since 97 and a coalition from 2010-15. Early days for them yet, let's hope the chaotic damage they do is fixable.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 8, 2021 13:56:01 GMT
Yeah but it works though, doesn’t it? (In terms of keeping them in power) When did they come in to power, 2015? After being on the sidelines since 97 and a coalition from 2010-15. Early days for them yet, let's hope the chaotic damage they do is fixable. In theory, but they've been in power since 2010 IMO
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Post by Gassy on Mar 8, 2021 22:10:01 GMT
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Post by baggins on Mar 9, 2021 6:12:23 GMT
Can anyone, honestly say, that they're surprised by this? I'm so far past being upset at what the most corrupt Government I've ever known has got away with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 7:40:41 GMT
Can anyone, honestly say, that they're surprised by this? I'm so far past being upset at what the most corrupt Government I've ever known has got away with. It's embarrassing that no Tory voters seem to have issues with the crony capitalism either. Seems the deal is - "Tory politicians can do what they like, as long as they don't touch my families stuff."
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Post by Gassy on Mar 9, 2021 9:39:33 GMT
Can anyone, honestly say, that they're surprised by this? I'm so far past being upset at what the most corrupt Government I've ever known has got away with. I’m surprised it wasn’t Hancocks uni flatmate
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Post by francegas on Mar 9, 2021 10:22:57 GMT
Can anyone, honestly say, that they're surprised by this? I'm so far past being upset at what the most corrupt Government I've ever known has got away with. It's embarrassing that no Tory voters seem to have issues with the crony capitalism either. Seems the deal is - "Tory politicians can do what they like, as long as they don't touch my families stuff." I'm assuming Grover that your last paragraph is a dig at me because I believe inheritance tax to be unjust as the money has already been taxed at 20% or more and then when you pass away it's taxed at a further 40%. What is so wrong with someone who has worked hard all their life, paid all their taxes be it standard rate or higher tax being able to pass on what they have to their children without it being taxed a second time. Why is that so wrong ?? You don't have to be a Tory voter to have that view as when it was discussed I believe it was Baggins who agreed with me, and he's certainly no Tory voter! It seems certain individuals from the left really are bitter and jealous of anyone who has something. What was it Maggie Thatcher said about socialism...... "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money"
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Post by Gassy on Mar 9, 2021 10:46:01 GMT
It's embarrassing that no Tory voters seem to have issues with the crony capitalism either. Seems the deal is - "Tory politicians can do what they like, as long as they don't touch my families stuff." I'm assuming Grover that your last paragraph is a dig at me because I believe inheritance tax to be unjust as the money has already been taxed at 20% or more and then when you pass away it's taxed at a further 40%. What is so wrong with someone who has worked hard all their life, paid all their taxes be it standard rate or higher tax being able to pass on what they have to their children without it being taxed a second time. Why is that so wrong ?? You don't have to be a Tory voter to have that view as when it was discussed I believe it was Baggins who agreed with me, and he's certainly no Tory voter! It seems certain individuals from the left really are bitter and jealous of anyone who has something. What was it Maggie Thatcher said about socialism...... "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money" Perhaps I’ve read it backwards, but I thought it was more pointing out that Tory voters don’t mind their actions/policies/taxes etc unless it directly taxes them. Then they have a problem. Could be wrong though.
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Post by francegas on Mar 9, 2021 10:48:37 GMT
I'm assuming Grover that your last paragraph is a dig at me because I believe inheritance tax to be unjust as the money has already been taxed at 20% or more and then when you pass away it's taxed at a further 40%. What is so wrong with someone who has worked hard all their life, paid all their taxes be it standard rate or higher tax being able to pass on what they have to their children without it being taxed a second time. Why is that so wrong ?? You don't have to be a Tory voter to have that view as when it was discussed I believe it was Baggins who agreed with me, and he's certainly no Tory voter! It seems certain individuals from the left really are bitter and jealous of anyone who has something. What was it Maggie Thatcher said about socialism...... "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money" Perhaps I’ve read it backwards, but I thought it was more pointing out that Tory voters don’t mind their actions/policies/taxes etc unless it directly taxes them. Then they have a problem. Could be wrong though. If I've read it wrong Gassy I hold my hands up and apologise.
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Post by blueridge on Mar 9, 2021 11:08:48 GMT
Perhaps I’ve read it backwards, but I thought it was more pointing out that Tory voters don’t mind their actions/policies/taxes etc unless it directly taxes them. Then they have a problem. Could be wrong though. If I've read it wrong Gassy I hold my hands up and apologise. Really don't see the need to apologise francegas - the original poster didn't mention Tory voters - the aim was at Tory politicians. Even Baggins who I wouldn't see as a Tory voter agrees that (a week ago) Inheritance Tax should be abolished - maybe a tax that will impact on him at some time - so its not exclusive to Tory voters.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 9, 2021 11:32:33 GMT
If I've read it wrong Gassy I hold my hands up and apologise. Really don't see the need to apologise francegas - the original poster didn't mention Tory voters - the aim was at Tory politicians. Even Baggins who I wouldn't see as a Tory voter agrees that Inheritance Tax should be abolished - maybe a tax that will impact on him at some time - so its not exclusive to Tory voters. Not sure if I'm just drunk or something but Grover literally said, "It's embarrassing that no Tory voters seem to have issues with the crony capitalism either." Again, unless I misunderstood I didn't think the point was specifically about inheritance tax, but rather about ignoring other issues that many/most would condemn, unless if effects you personally. I also agree that inheritance tax should be abolished or at least raise the threshold considerably, I'm not sure it's a specific Tory thought process though.
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