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Post by lpgas on Feb 5, 2020 19:14:03 GMT
100% agree, specially in league 1, hard working, playing for the badge alll day long! Pump it up to the big man and get players around him to win the ball high up the pitch is the best way out of this league. It worked with Big Dev, and it Worked with Warboys
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 5, 2020 19:21:13 GMT
Distance, League Position
Arsenal's season distance 1,376km 5 Tottenham Hotspur 1,371 4 Everton 1,356 9 Bournemouth 1,354 6 Chelsea 1,348 3 Newcastle United 1,347 14 Liverpool 1,342 2 Crystal Palace 1,335 16 Huddersfield Town 1,332 19 Manchester City 1,332 1 Wolverhampton Wanderers 1,325 11 Burnley 1,323 15 Watford 1,313 7 Southampton 1,311 17 Leicester City 1,300 10 Manchester United 1,298 8 Fulham 1,296 20 Brighton and Hove Albion 1,289 12 West Ham United 1,283 13 Cardiff City 1,244 18
Can't find anything for League 1.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2020 19:25:32 GMT
Yes let’s see what works when the passing side of Oxford and Coventry get promoted Neither will probably go up, it will be the usual teams, Rotherham, P'boro, Ipswich or Pompey, even Sunderland might wake up eventually, then there's also dark horses Wycombe who are still playing football probably worse than GC's side ever did. Although as somebody posted earlier today we totally outplay Oxford at the Mem earlier in the season, in what was probably our best home performance. Regardless when have any Rovers team had success with a high passing game, our history has been built on getting the ball to the striker quickly. Only Dodson tried a different approach and we all know how that ended.
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Post by eastgas on Feb 5, 2020 19:30:38 GMT
100% agree, specially in league 1, hard working, playing for the badge alll day long! Pump it up to the big man and get players around him to win the ball high up the pitch is the best way out of this league. Which teams have been promoted from this league playing that style recently?
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Post by eastgas on Feb 5, 2020 19:32:24 GMT
Pump it up to the big man and get players around him to win the ball high up the pitch is the best way out of this league. It worked with Big Dev, and it Worked with Warboys Whilst I agree it certainly worked then unfortunately that was a very long time ago, times have now changed where the better sides in each division now play a passing brand of football.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Feb 5, 2020 19:46:22 GMT
Every team needs a blend of craft and graft, a team full of graft will only get you so far and for every Hoddle and co you need some one to do the hard graft, as Brian Clough used to say to his ball winners 'you win the ball then give it to so and so ,cos you cant play but he can!' so it is with any team,(unless you have a few Paul Scholes in your team) as far as we are concerned players like Ogogo must always play and with our recent signings think we have the craft as well now ,IMHO! UP the Rovers!
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Post by oviedista on Feb 5, 2020 19:57:35 GMT
Yes let’s see what works when the passing side of Oxford and Coventry get promoted Neither will probably go up, it will be the usual teams, Rotherham, P'boro, Ipswich or Pompey, even Sunderland might wake up eventually, then there's also dark horses Wycombe who are still playing football probably worse than GC's side ever did. Although as somebody posted earlier today we totally outplay Oxford at the Mem earlier in the season, in what was probably our best home performance. Regardless when have any Rovers team had success with a high passing game, our history has been built on getting the ball to the striker quickly. Only Dodson tried a different approach and we all know how that ended. There are lots of different types of long ball games and different tactics for getting the ball into the striker early. (We never went as far as John Beck for example). Likewise, there are lots of different types of passing game. At this level it's often a combination of all sorts (Holloway's side passed for example). We have a history of playing all sorts and the game has changed and evolved. Hoof or pass is a massive simplification.
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Post by markczgas on Feb 5, 2020 20:16:11 GMT
Not 100% Gas related, but I went to Anfield last night with some Town fans from Shrewsbury to watch the cup replay and you had pretty passing Liverpool via true hard grit and determination from Shrewsbury. OK town lost to a VAR decision that should not be in the FA Cup and a great own goal, but watching as a neutral. I would far rather have the true grit and fighting spirit over pretty passing any day. The Town fought hard for every ball and unlucky with the result. And that was due to pure hard work. so BG pretty passing football no thanks, just get the team working hard together, and fighting for every ball and never giving up that’s the Rovers way didn't Town have 0 shots on target v 19 year olds. Anyway support the Salop and drop The Gas that's my advice to you - think you'll be happier
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 20:26:23 GMT
Not 100% Gas related, but I went to Anfield last night with some Town fans from Shrewsbury to watch the cup replay and you had pretty passing Liverpool via true hard grit and determination from Shrewsbury. OK town lost to a VAR decision that should not be in the FA Cup and a great own goal, but watching as a neutral. I would far rather have the true grit and fighting spirit over pretty passing any day. The Town fought hard for every ball and unlucky with the result. And that was due to pure hard work. so BG pretty passing football no thanks, just get the team working hard together, and fighting for every ball and never giving up that’s the Rovers way didn't Town have 0 shots on target v 19 year olds. Anyway support the Salop and drop The Gas that's my advice to you - think you'll be happier Isn't that called Sedition? Isn't it punishable by death? If not, it should be...hharumphh!
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2020 20:31:25 GMT
Not 100% Gas related, but I went to Anfield last night with some Town fans from Shrewsbury to watch the cup replay and you had pretty passing Liverpool via true hard grit and determination from Shrewsbury. OK town lost to a VAR decision that should not be in the FA Cup and a great own goal, but watching as a neutral. I would far rather have the true grit and fighting spirit over pretty passing any day. The Town fought hard for every ball and unlucky with the result. And that was due to pure hard work. so BG pretty passing football no thanks, just get the team working hard together, and fighting for every ball and never giving up that’s the Rovers way didn't Town have 0 shots on target v 19 year olds. Anyway support the Salop and drop The Gas that's my advice to you - think you'll be happier 4 shots on target not including the disallowed goal according to the BBC. I wonder what happens to all these good 19 year olds, as by the time they get released at 22/23 they are usually nothing special!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 20:44:26 GMT
It worked with Big Dev, and it Worked with Warboys Whilst I agree it certainly worked then unfortunately that was a very long time ago, times have now changed where the better sides in each division now play a passing brand of football. Yes the pitches allow that nowadays
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Post by pirate on Feb 5, 2020 21:13:24 GMT
didn't Town have 0 shots on target v 19 year olds. Anyway support the Salop and drop The Gas that's my advice to you - think you'll be happier 4 shots on target not including the disallowed goal according to the BBC. I wonder what happens to all these good 19 year olds, as by the time they get released at 22/23 they are usually nothing special! You dont half talk some nonsense at times and seems to be a regular occurrence recently. Most of the players playing in the Prem and Championship (or lower) were good 19-year-olds at that point in their career. Do they all go straight through to the first team from the academy? No. There are different routes to the top. At 19 the Premier League top scorer was playing for Stocksbridge Park Steels. At 19 the Championship top scorer was playing on loan for Weston-super-Mare.
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Post by socrates on Feb 6, 2020 0:09:15 GMT
Not 100% Gas related, but I went to Anfield last night with some Town fans from Shrewsbury to watch the cup replay and you had pretty passing Liverpool via true hard grit and determination from Shrewsbury. OK town lost to a VAR decision that should not be in the FA Cup and a great own goal, but watching as a neutral. I would far rather have the true grit and fighting spirit over pretty passing any day. The Town fought hard for every ball and unlucky with the result. And that was due to pure hard work. so BG pretty passing football no thanks, just get the team working hard together, and fighting for every ball and never giving up that’s the Rovers way I think that situation is a bit different and more unique though in that they were big underdogs. The never say die fighting spirit was what we had under GC wasn’t it? And it was working. But there was obviously plenty of people that weren’t happy with that. We were performing the best we have done since we’ve been back in League One yet the attendances were the lowest they’ve been. I would also prefer results than pretty football but you can’t please everyone, and I can see why the board felt the need to change the style of football to appease some fans. Were attendences that low ? I thought we were getting about 7000 most weeks, which is what we’ve always averaged in league 1 for donkeys years. The bigger crowd under DC were down to momentum after back to back promotions but rare for us since we’ve left Eastville. IF we’d stayed top six that would have increased and we would have been getting 9000 + in the run in. All those stay away fans due to coughlans style haven’t come back have they.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 0:28:53 GMT
You can still be a success playing long ball football as well as a passing style. Liverpool are unusual at the top level in that they often play long balls in behind defences with a high risk of losing possession.
Point is that coughlan left and we appointed garner who believes in a totally different philosophy to coughlan.
It was always going to be difficult with the players at the club already but lets hope with the new boys in the squad garner can turn things around. We cannot go back to coughlan and were already in deep with garner so we need to give him time to make it work.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 6, 2020 8:26:41 GMT
I just can't see the youngsters BG's signed making that big a difference, as the core of the team will still be DC/GC's, Barrett who you'd hope would make a difference in midfield has hardly set the team alight so far, meaning we have two new wingers and 3 new strikers plus Harries but still no RB or central midfielders.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Feb 6, 2020 9:25:34 GMT
Not 100% Gas related, but I went to Anfield last night with some Town fans from Shrewsbury to watch the cup replay and you had pretty passing Liverpool via true hard grit and determination from Shrewsbury. OK town lost to a VAR decision that should not be in the FA Cup and a great own goal, but watching as a neutral. I would far rather have the true grit and fighting spirit over pretty passing any day. The Town fought hard for every ball and unlucky with the result. And that was due to pure hard work. so BG pretty passing football no thanks, just get the team working hard together, and fighting for every ball and never giving up that’s the Rovers way Luton destroyed this division last year playing football. Coventry scored two lovely goals on Saturday playing football. I'd rather aspire to be like those sides than a team like Fleetwood.
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Post by socrates on Feb 6, 2020 10:25:33 GMT
Not 100% Gas related, but I went to Anfield last night with some Town fans from Shrewsbury to watch the cup replay and you had pretty passing Liverpool via true hard grit and determination from Shrewsbury. OK town lost to a VAR decision that should not be in the FA Cup and a great own goal, but watching as a neutral. I would far rather have the true grit and fighting spirit over pretty passing any day. The Town fought hard for every ball and unlucky with the result. And that was due to pure hard work. so BG pretty passing football no thanks, just get the team working hard together, and fighting for every ball and never giving up that’s the Rovers way Luton destroyed this division last year playing football. Coventry scored two lovely goals on Saturday playing football. I'd rather aspire to be like those sides than a team like Fleetwood. Fleetwood mix it up and are good on the counter. Very much like we were under DC before it went Pete Tong. I don’t think trying to play Man City’s style in league 1 could work but Liverpool’s style is a mix of width , pace, overlapping fullbacks and counter attack, again very much like DC first four seasons. At the end of the day you have to choose a style that suits the players you have in order to have quick success and of course have enough decent players for the level your at. You also need the players to be motivated and confident in their ability and the managers ability. At the moment we’re struggling because we don’t seem to have the players needed to play the way Garner wants( maybe the new signings will change this) and we don’t seem to have motivated confident players.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Feb 6, 2020 10:55:46 GMT
Luton destroyed this division last year playing football. Coventry scored two lovely goals on Saturday playing football. I'd rather aspire to be like those sides than a team like Fleetwood. Fleetwood mix it up and are good on the counter. Very much like we were under DC before it went Pete Tong. I don’t think trying to play Man City’s style in league 1 could work but Liverpool’s style is a mix of width , pace, overlapping fullbacks and counter attack, again very much like DC first four seasons. At the end of the day you have to choose a style that suits the players you have in order to have quick success and of course have enough decent players for the level your at. You also need the players to be motivated and confident in their ability and the managers ability. At the moment we’re struggling because we don’t seem to have the players needed to play the way Garner wants( maybe the new signings will change this) and we don’t seem to have motivated confident players. You could see for the first half hour on Saturday what he's trying to do. And it was the best period of a game we've had in quite come time. Clearly the new signings are designed to play football rather than goofball. Like you say though confidence is a big part of it though as we clearly lacked any after conceding the first goal.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 6, 2020 11:00:45 GMT
Problem is the core of the team are still all workers not footballers, Lines having been shown the door last summer. Whilst we have, Davies, Craig, Kilgore, Upson, Ogogo & OC as the core there's going to be no drastic changes. Serc's being out injured just adds to the problem.
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Post by pirate on Feb 6, 2020 11:04:20 GMT
Problem is the core of the team are still all workers not footballers, Lines having been shown the door last summer. Whilst we have, Davies, Craig, Kilgore, Upson, Ogogo & OC as the core there's going to be no drastic changes. Serc's being out injured just adds to the problem. If the budget allows we should try and get a free agent central midfielder in until the end of the season.
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