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Post by Jomo on Feb 6, 2020 19:11:22 GMT
This whole thing is embarrassing for all concerned. I have seen more maturity displayed by my 8 and 9 year old nephews than this shower are showing.
Masters, Starnes, BRSC and BRFC are all looking like fools in my view.
Still, it's inkeeping with the status quo of the last godknowshowlong since I've been a fan.
Oh to move past this bollocks and start having a modern, well run club. We can all dream eh?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 6, 2020 19:12:53 GMT
When is the next election for the SC representative on the board? Hopefully we can elect a new rep and resolve this problem From what Starnes said, the SC have already been given the opportunity to replace Saint Ken and have chosen a very different path.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 6, 2020 19:26:40 GMT
When is the next election for the SC representative on the board? Hopefully we can elect a new rep and resolve this problem Only if the SC want to appoint one. Sounds like they are standing by their man for now.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 6, 2020 19:30:54 GMT
so what of the below do The SC argue is wrong What has happened wuith Ken Masters? He's been banned from the boardroom and the boxes on the West Stand. Why is that?He's been suspended from boardroom activity. I can't go into details because it's subject to legals but, suffice to say, no decision like that is taken lightly and we'll have to see how things transpire once our respective solicitors start talking to each other. I respect there are legalities but we're talking about someone who's the Supporters' Club representative on the board of directors. They hold an eight per cent shareholding and you can't enlighten me or Rovers fans listening into why you've banned that man?No, I can't. I would if I could. But the position is, the club and owners are more than happy to have a Supporters Club representative on the board but at the moment it's not Ken Masters. There is a legal conversation going on with him and the Supporters Club and there are reasons for it that I can't go into detail about it. It's slightly embarrassing this, though. It's Bristol Rovers Football Club and you're banning the person who's representing your supporters on the board of directors?Well it might appear to be embarrassing from the outside but we wouldn't be taken the action we're taking lightly. And I hope at some stage the whole issue can be discussed with the fans and the supporters club but at this moment we can't do that. Legal action seems to be the worst possible course of any direction in any conflict. Is there no way you can sit down with Ken Masters and resolve this?That attempt has been made, really. As I understand it, it's the Supporters Club that have taken the legal advice and we have responded to that advice and that's where it stands at the moment. Do we want to be involved with lawyers over this issue? No, certainly not, but that's where we are. So why don't you get around a table and talk it through?I would be more than happy to but, to a certain extent, the die has been cast by the Supporters Club appointing solicitors. So if I had a similar conversation with them and encouraged them to come and chat with you and forget the legal action, would you be receptive to that approach?I'd more than happy to sit down with the Supporters Club. Amazing isn’t it. All the rank and file fans said that didn’t tell us anything but the SC think that all of that was full of inaccuracies...??🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ They really are determined to push their self destruct button it seems. It’s making them look silly all of this and it’s doing the club no favours either. it slightly different treating fans as mugs by telling us nothing but making various statements about the KM situation, which may or may not be accurate.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Feb 6, 2020 19:38:20 GMT
Because he isn't on Wael's side of the divide. So why isnt he supportive of the owners? Isnt that the job of the SC director? Alternatively, if he not happy with how they are running the club shouldn't he have raised his concerns publicly before it got to this? Shock. You've been ignored.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 6, 2020 20:04:36 GMT
Amazing isn’t it. All the rank and file fans said that didn’t tell us anything but the SC think that all of that was full of inaccuracies...??🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ They really are determined to push their self destruct button it seems. It’s making them look silly all of this and it’s doing the club no favours either. it slightly different treating fans as mugs by telling us nothing but making various statements about the KM situation, which may or may not be accurate. Pretty clear someone is lying. Guess we will find out who in the fullness of time. Then again, we probably won't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 20:08:41 GMT
Not to worry. Wael has a team of people who have built 12 world class supporters clubs around the world.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 20:16:07 GMT
Unless the SC calls an EGM, nominations for the vacant Director position must be made in the month of June with a vote at the subsequent AGM. I think KM was up for re-election anyway this year and anyway it should technically be two vacancies as BS-S was never replaced.
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 6, 2020 20:19:23 GMT
So the club took the action to suspend Ken Masters. The supporters club then appointed legal advisors to fight their case. The club then appoint lawyers to defend their actions. This at least is the club's version of events and seems far more plausible than supporters club version which suggests they've only appointed lawyers because the club have. Either way this is a lose/lose situation where both the club and the supporters club lose money to their respective lawyers. I would like a few answers from the supporters club, of which I'm a paid up member. Does the appointing of lawyers to take action against the club contravene the supporters club constitution? It certainly goes against the SC's stated aims to support the club. Who is paying for Ken Masters' legal advice? If it's the supporters club then what mandate do they have to use membership funds for such purpose? Polite question GHB, have you asked these questions of the Supporters Club?
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 6, 2020 20:20:54 GMT
Amazing isn’t it. All the rank and file fans said that didn’t tell us anything but the SC think that all of that was full of inaccuracies...??🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ They really are determined to push their self destruct button it seems. It’s making them look silly all of this and it’s doing the club no favours either. it slightly different treating fans as mugs by telling us nothing but making various statements about the KM situation, which may or may not be accurate. It’s the SC that are making the statements though... The club are abiding by their legal advice and saying nothing. MS did one interview in which he said nothing could be said. And he didn’t say anything, hence the whinge on here by everyone that said we were no further ITK than before. Now, If you wanted to split hairs and be super picky, the only inaccuracy was that that MS said there were 2 directors, when technically there are 3 if you include KM, but the fact KM has been suspended, and regardless of the outcome of any legal action, he won’t be boomeranging back into the board room, means there are only 2 directors at present. And if the question was loaded to mean how many directors run BRFC on a day to day basis, then MS answer is accurate, because MS and TG run it. The SC aren’t involved in running the club, they run their volunteers to assist the club, but are independent. So if that’s the kind of inaccuracy they are talking about then it’s getting even more petty and stupid. I would go as far as to say it’s the kind of waffle that Hamer would say and write but as I have no proof he has had any involvement, it’s just my opinion.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 6, 2020 20:26:52 GMT
So the club took the action to suspend Ken Masters. The supporters club then appointed legal advisors to fight their case. The club then appoint lawyers to defend their actions. This at least is the club's version of events and seems far more plausible than supporters club version which suggests they've only appointed lawyers because the club have. Either way this is a lose/lose situation where both the club and the supporters club lose money to their respective lawyers. I would like a few answers from the supporters club, of which I'm a paid up member. Does the appointing of lawyers to take action against the club contravene the supporters club constitution? It certainly goes against the SC's stated aims to support the club. Who is paying for Ken Masters' legal advice? If it's the supporters club then what mandate do they have to use membership funds for such purpose? Polite question GHB, have you asked these questions of the Supporters Club? These were the questions I raised and got shot down for a few weeks back. It’s about time JC and KM got in front of everyone and explained themselves and answered some of these questions. Even something like 20man asking them questions on HAG. I doubt they will though. Supporters of the club taking their club to court. That isn’t supporting it, it’s tearing it down.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 20:35:55 GMT
So the club took the action to suspend Ken Masters. The supporters club then appointed legal advisors to fight their case. The club then appoint lawyers to defend their actions. This at least is the club's version of events and seems far more plausible than supporters club version which suggests they've only appointed lawyers because the club have. Either way this is a lose/lose situation where both the club and the supporters club lose money to their respective lawyers. I would like a few answers from the supporters club, of which I'm a paid up member. Does the appointing of lawyers to take action against the club contravene the supporters club constitution? It certainly goes against the SC's stated aims to support the club. Who is paying for Ken Masters' legal advice? If it's the supporters club then what mandate do they have to use membership funds for such purpose? Polite question GHB, have you asked these questions of the Supporters Club?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 20:36:44 GMT
So the club took the action to suspend Ken Masters. The supporters club then appointed legal advisors to fight their case. The club then appoint lawyers to defend their actions. This at least is the club's version of events and seems far more plausible than supporters club version which suggests they've only appointed lawyers because the club have. Either way this is a lose/lose situation where both the club and the supporters club lose money to their respective lawyers. I would like a few answers from the supporters club, of which I'm a paid up member. Does the appointing of lawyers to take action against the club contravene the supporters club constitution? It certainly goes against the SC's stated aims to support the club. Who is paying for Ken Masters' legal advice? If it's the supporters club then what mandate do they have to use membership funds for such purpose? Polite question GHB, have you asked these questions of the Supporters Club? Why did you ask the question politely? Oh yeh coz GHB is fekin massive that’s why.
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 6, 2020 20:52:09 GMT
Polite question GHB, have you asked these questions of the Supporters Club? Why did you ask the question politely? Oh yeh coz GHB is fekin massive that’s why. Wouldn’t have a clue who GHB is & it wouldn’t bother me how ‘feckin massive’ he is. I asked politely, as I didn’t want to come across as a knob. Was just thinking that as he is a member of the SC they may wish to answer his questions & he might share.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 6, 2020 21:14:07 GMT
Polite question GHB, have you asked these questions of the Supporters Club? These were the questions I raised and got shot down for a few weeks back. It’s about time JC and KM got in front of everyone and explained themselves and answered some of these questions. Even something like 20man asking them questions on HAG. I doubt they will though. Supporters of the club taking their club to court. That isn’t supporting it, it’s tearing it down. Surely they are only answerable to the SC members and can they really even answer their questions when according to MS it's subject to "legals", whatever that maybe in legal terms. Although I sense instructing solicitors is some way off from taking legal action, I think you're jumping the gun with that comment.
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Post by stapletongas on Feb 6, 2020 21:14:25 GMT
When is the next election for the SC representative on the board? Hopefully we can elect a new rep and resolve this problem Only if the SC want to appoint one. Sounds like they are standing by their man for now. I understood the position was by election and held for a term. When is his current term up? If it's not soon, can the membership move to have him impeached?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 21:16:28 GMT
Why did you ask the question politely? Oh yeh coz GHB is fekin massive that’s why. Wouldn’t have a clue who GHB is & it wouldn’t bother me how ‘feckin massive’ he is. I asked politely, as I didn’t want to come across as a knob. Was just thinking that as he is a member of the SC they may wish to answer his questions & he might share. Yes sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 23:01:13 GMT
So why isnt he supportive of the owners? Isnt that the job of the SC director? Alternatively, if he not happy with how they are running the club shouldn't he have raised his concerns publicly before it got to this? Shock. You've been ignored. Sorry, I have been out for dinner with my wife. I will ask for your permission next time. Hugo: Ask Ken. IMO there role is to support and also challenge depending on the circumstances. Has Ken ever communicated any concerns publicly during his 14 year tenure? No, and that is why IMO he failed in his role as a representative for supporters.
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Post by aghast on Feb 6, 2020 23:30:51 GMT
Well at least the SC put a statement out. Of sorts. If they hadn't they would have been shot down on here.
As for the reasons KM has been banned?
I think I know, but I might be wrong. I bet there are at least 5 different reasons being believed at the same time. So I refuse to say why I think he's been banned, because I can't stand the humiliation if I'm mistaken.
FWIW, I think the legal action by the SC is not to challenge whatever naughtiness KM has been up to (see previous para), but to fight the decision to cut him out.
You can't retain a director but ban him from the boardroom, where the extremely small but potent cabal of just two men decide so much.
If KM can't enter the boardroom, he can't function properly as a director.
And if that's true, then he has effectively been sacked as a fans' director, without consultation with the SC or anyone else in the wider fanbase.
So that decision should rightfully be challenged. Via legal avenues if necessary.
I don't know how well the SC and the board get on these days, but I'm guessing a few phone calls remain unanswered and a few WhatsApp messages have no reply.
All a bit of a farce really. How did we ever arrive at the point where the club are sacking a fans' director and the SC are hiring solicitors to fight the club?
Whatever the rights and wrongs of individual actions, it's a really unhealthy situation.
And symptomatic of the bunker mentality apparently now standard practice for our beleaguered owners.
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Post by CheshireGas on Feb 7, 2020 9:34:05 GMT
Duties of a director. I have extracted some relevant points from a Burges Salmon article [to ensure up to date, found here www.burges-salmon.com/news-and-insight/publications/the-responsibilities-and-duties-of-a-company-director/]
What is my role as a director? A company acts through two bodies of people – its shareholders and its board of directors. The board of directors are in charge of the management of the company’s business; they make the strategic and operational decisions of the company and are responsible for ensuring that the company meets its statutory obligations. Your role as an individual director is to participate in board meetings to enable the board to reach these decisions and make sure that the company’s obligations are fulfilled. The directors are effectively the agents of the company, appointed by the shareholders to manage its day-to-day affairs. The basic rule is that the directors should act together as a board but typically the board may also delegate certain powers to individual directors or to a committee of the board. You may also be a shareholder or an employee of the company (or both) and, if so, will have additional rights and duties going beyond those purely connected with your office as a director. It is crucial that you draw a distinction between these separate roles and 'wear the right hat for the job'. What are my general duties under the Companies Act 2006? As a director you must: 1. Act within powers You must act in accordance with the company’s constitution, and only exercise your powers for the purposes for which they were given. 2. Promote the success of the company You must act in the way you consider, in good faith, would be most likely to promote the success of the company for the benefit of its members as a whole. Success will generally mean a long-term increase in value but fundamentally it is up to each director to decide, in good faith, whether it is appropriate for the company to take a particular course of action. 3. Exercise independent judgment You must exercise independent judgment and make your own decisions. This does not prevent you from acting in accordance with the company’s constitution or an agreement which the company has entered into. 4. Exercise reasonable care, skill and diligence You must exercise the same care, skill and diligence that would be exercised by a reasonably diligent person 5. Avoid conflicts of interest (a conflict situation) You must avoid a situation in which you have, or could have, an interest that conflicts, or may conflict, with the interests of the company. This applies in particular to the exploitation of any property, information or opportunity, regardless of whether the company could take advantage of it. There is no convenient set of rules to determine which situations will or will not give rise (or potentially give rise) to a conflict of interest. conduct provisions – these might set out how you are expected to conduct yourself in relation to an authorised conflict and might also confirm that you will not be in breach of other duties to the company if you act accordingly. These typically deal with: o protecting the confidential information of the company and the third party o inclusion or exclusion from board meetings and receipt of board papers o any benefit received as a result of the authorised conflict. Regulate your behaviour – even if a potential conflict situation has been authorised or is permitted by the articles of association you should still act appropriately, remembering your obligation to promote the success of the company. You must take care to act in accordance with the articles of association and any terms and conditions attached to the authorisation. 6. Not accept benefits from third parties 7. Declare interests in proposed or existing transactions or arrangements with the company Who do I owe my general duties to? Your general duties are owed to the company which you are a director of and not other group companies or individual shareholders. It is the company itself which can take enforcement action against a director if there has been a breach of duty. The decision to start proceedings against a director would be made by the board or, in an insolvency situation, a liquidator. In certain circumstances and subject to certain hurdles, an individual shareholder or group of shareholders can also bring a claim against a director for breach of duty on behalf of the company (known as a derivative action). What penalties are there if I breach my general duties? A breach of a general duty typically gives the company a number of potential remedies including an injunction, damages or compensation. Failure to disclose an interest in an existing transaction or arrangement with the company also carries the risk of a criminal fine. Do I have any other responsibilities under the Companies Act 2006? What about other duties and obligations? Obligations are also imposed on you as a director from other sources beyond the main companies legislation. Some examples are: • a director owes a duty of confidentiality to his or her company and must use or disclose the company’s confidential information only for the benefit of the company.
The article outlines other responsibilities taken from the relevant Companies Acts [as amended]. I have highlighted areas where people have previously commented on issues they believe/assume relates to actions by the club.
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