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Post by markczgas on Feb 12, 2020 9:29:53 GMT
This is going to be popular with some !
Who will be sacked first ?
Ben Garner - League 1
W 0 D 4 L 6
Graham Coughlan - League 2
W 2 D 4 L 6
Darrell Clarke - League 2
W 11 D 7 L 15 (interestingly they've only scored 32 in 33 games).
Looking at these records - all of them must be under pressure already. If I had to pick one - I'd go for Coughlan getting the chop at the end of the season as he was expected to do a lot better than he is. Funny old game :-). I'm expecting Garner to get 4 or 5 wins by the end of the season which will see us finish around 12-16th, whilst Darrell's mob will continue to win and lose to finish mid table and he'll be given another go in the summer.
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Post by Marshy on Feb 12, 2020 9:36:00 GMT
The sack race, I like it! Please let it be Cockring 🙏
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 12, 2020 9:42:50 GMT
Both Cogs and DC will be given time IMO.
DC had a complete rebuild to do at Walsall following relegation. Cogs has gone in mid-season and having looked at the squad, it isn’t that good to be top half L2.
BG needs a couple of wins soon. If not, he could be the first to go.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 12, 2020 9:42:55 GMT
This is going to be popular with some ! Who will be sacked first ? Ben Garner - League 1 W 0 D 4 L 6 Graham Coughlan - League 2 W 2 D 4 L 6 Darrell Clarke - League 2 W 11 D 7 L 15 (interestingly they've only scored 32 in 33 games). Looking at these records - all of them must be under pressure already. If I had to pick one - I'd go for Coughlan getting the chop at the end of the season as he was expected to do a lot better than he is. Funny old game :-). I'm expecting Garner to get 4 or 5 wins by the end of the season which will see us finish around 12-16th, whilst Darrell's mob will continue to win and lose to finish mid table and he'll be given another go in the summer. Yeah agree with that. I'm confident that unless something really goes tits up at Walsall, they'll give him another year. L2 is their natural level, I'd say, and after their relegation they wanted to completely rebuild. I still think he will do well there, but I must admit I was worried that he'd get sacked at one point. Apparently Mansfield have one of, if not the biggest budgets in L2. They're paying Maynard £4k a week apparently. They've been through quite a few managers in the last couple of years and if Coughlan doesn't pick up form soon I'd suggest he'll be gone. I disagree with 1981 above, Mansfield have a decent L2 team. Far better than bottom 4 that's for sure. Ben I think probably has another 5 games left. If we lose the next 5 or only pick up a couple of draws then surely his position as manager is untenable?
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Post by peterparker on Feb 12, 2020 10:06:24 GMT
Both Cogs and DC will be given time IMO. DC had a complete rebuild to do at Walsall following relegation. Cogs has gone in mid-season and having looked at the squad, it isn’t that good to be top half L2. BG needs a couple of wins soon. If not, he could be the first to go. obviously BG needs some wins
That said it comes down to the conviction of the owners. If Wael truly believes BG is the man, then he must give him the summer and the ability to bring in a few more players to play the way he wants,whatever the fan pressure. Some fans might not like it, but those are the big decisions that have to be taken in any business
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Post by xenongas on Feb 12, 2020 10:19:50 GMT
Don't really know the situation very well at the other clubs but I'd say coughlan is the most vulnerable. Mansfield seem more desperate and probably think they're underachieving which adds heaps more pressure.
I am desperate for a rovers win(s) in the next three games. No midweek fixtures, plenty of time for BG to be with the players, and the confidence of a couple of strong home performances will really lift everyone. If there is still this sort of talk in a month's time I will be worried for our manager. Having said that, it's just occurred to me that only one manager has been sacked under the current regime which bodes well for BG not winning this particular race.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 10:32:16 GMT
Don't really know the situation very well at the other clubs but I'd say coughlan is the most vulnerable. Mansfield seem more desperate and probably think they're underachieving which adds heaps more pressure. I am desperate for a rovers win(s) in the next three games. No midweek fixtures, plenty of time for BG to be with the players, and the confidence of a couple of strong home performances will really lift everyone. If there is still this sort of talk in a month's time I will be worried for our manager. Having said that, it's just occurred to me that only one manager has been sacked under the current regime which bodes well for BG not winning this particular race. Coughlan has to be the most vulnerable as you say. Mansfield sacked David Flitcroft in the summer who finished 4th the previous season so it's fair to say he's on borrowed time. I don't think BG would go unless we were to go on a horrific run until end of the season. I'm sure we'll pick up enough points to keep him here for the time being.
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Post by barleycorn48 on Feb 12, 2020 10:39:10 GMT
We are on a horrific run
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Post by brads213 on Feb 12, 2020 10:41:41 GMT
BG has no proven record to fall back on like the other 2 so he must be first in line
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 10:58:21 GMT
Agreed. It's just currently there appears to be little consequence of having a horrific run and we seemingly were happy to sacrifice a play-off challenge for this naive 'long term strategy' notion. We're safe in the knowledge we'll be in L1 in August pretty much regardless of form until now and end of the season. I'm guessing his job will be in jeopardy come August/September if/when we don't start well and our status in the division becomes under threat.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 12, 2020 13:14:11 GMT
Hope its Coughlan and he ends up managing someone like Handsworth FC where he will be even closer to his family
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 12, 2020 13:17:16 GMT
Agreed. It's just currently there appears to be little consequence of having a horrific run and we seemingly were happy to sacrifice a play-off challenge for this naive 'long term strategy' notion. We're safe in the knowledge we'll be in L1 in August pretty much regardless of form until now and end of the season. I'm guessing his job will be in jeopardy come August/September if/when we don't start well and our status in the division becomes under threat. It’s the evolution not revolution strategy on the field as well as off the field now. BG was quoted saying that bloody phrase in the early days. He’s well in tune with the family
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Post by Colyton Gas on Feb 12, 2020 13:21:39 GMT
Don't think we can afford to sack our man AND give a new manager a contract.Difficult situation.If we lose yet again Sat AND continue not to score the pressure will be on.Great theorist but we ain't scoring or ever winning.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 12, 2020 13:24:51 GMT
DC: just when he appears to be under pressure Walsall have gone on a good run. Probably too inconsistent to make the play offs this season but we know DC prefers the last half of the season to the first half and his teams get better, so I think he will be fine and will get next season as well. History tells me Walsalls natural place is League 1 not League 2 so DC has great opportunity to return them there long term. The new owner appears to be patient so no imminent danger to him. GC: he’s more vulnerable. He isn’t as good a manager imo as DC insofar as his experience as a number 2 meant he could always defer to others and his experience isn’t as great. Tactically he’s good at setting up a team defensively and making it hard for teams to score but from the year he was with us he seemed very set in how his teams play. I never saw him change a match tactically with subs or systems and felt other managers could out-think him. (Southend, second half was the only match I can remember where he changed things to win at half time). And he has owners who have little patience and high expectations. Mansfield, history tells me, are a team in the correct league atm. They have a very good budget and the Radfords expect promotion after that investment. Not too sure that GC has enough talent, tactical awareness or motivation as a manager to pull it round. You wouldn’t want to go against him as we found out last season but that only lasts for a time. Given time and his own playershe will do well but I’m not sure he’ll get time. BG: he needs to turn the better performances over the past few weeks into wins. Watching the highlights from last night he needs to get JCH firing because we seem to be creating chances now but not taking them. Had JCH taken his chances we’d have been on the fringes of the play offs and the threads on here would have been been very different. He will get time from the owners more so than he will get from the fans. Can’t believe he will be gone after bringing 7 players in during January who appear to fit what he’s been saying. But he needs that first win desperately. To answer the OP GC is most vulnerable, then BG then DC imo.
UTG!
ps. Was out last night and coming home was listening to 5 live. Think it was Phil Brown, who I know is not everyone’s favourite, talking and saying how fans, not owners, sack most managers. He went on to say that once fans turn against the manager the owners, however supportive, will eventually bow to the pressure and get rid of them.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 12, 2020 13:33:03 GMT
Hope its Coughlan and he ends up managing someone like Handsworth FC where he will be even closer to his family Even if he was sacked he would get a job as a defensive coach in the league. Despite what we might think he can organise a defensive team as a manager and make them hard to beat. He’s good at that. His difficulty is doing that and creating a team that’s good to watch and get results. Getting that balance is hard. He couldn’t make us strong defensively without sacrificing our creativity in the middle. Under DC last season GC couldn’t organise the defence well enough within the system DC wanted. He could only do it as a manager when he sacrificed something in the middle and up front. UTG! ps. Just watching the highlights from last night I think I saw more creative through balls from our midfield to JCH, at least half a dozen and all missed, than I saw under GCs time with us. That’s not a criticism just an observation.
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Post by matealotblue on Feb 12, 2020 13:36:48 GMT
DC: just when he appears to be under pressure Walsall have gone on a good run. Probably too inconsistent to make the play offs this season but we know DC prefers the last half of the season to the first half and his teams get better, so I think he will be fine and will get next season as well. History tells me Walsalls natural place is League 1 not League 2 so DC has great opportunity to return them there long term. The new owner appears to be patient so no imminent danger to him. GC: he’s more vulnerable. He isn’t as good a manager imo as DC insofar as his experience as a number 2 meant he could always defer to others and his experience isn’t as great. Tactically he’s good at setting up a team defensively and making it hard for teams to score but from the year he was with us he seemed very set in how his teams play. I never saw him change a match tactically with subs or systems and felt other managers could out-think him. (Southend, second half was the only match I can remember where he changed things to win at half time). And he has owners who have little patience and high expectations. Mansfield, history tells me, are a team in the correct league atm. They have a very good budget and the Radfords expect promotion after that investment. Not too sure that GC has enough talent, tactical awareness or motivation as a manager to pull it round. You wouldn’t want to go against him as we found out last season but that only lasts for a time. Given time and his own playershe will do well but I’m not sure he’ll get time. BG: he needs to turn the better performances over the past few weeks into wins. Watching the highlights from last night he needs to get JCH firing because we seem to be creating chances now but not taking them. Had JCH taken his chances we’d have been on the fringes of the play offs and the threads on here would have been been very different. He will get time from the owners more so than he will get from the fans. Can’t believe he will be gone after bringing 7 players in during January who appear to fit what he’s been saying. But he needs that first win desperately. To answer the OP GC is most vulnerable, then BG then DC imo. UTG! ps. Was out last night and coming home was listening to 5 live. Think it was Phil Brown, who I know is not everyone’s favourite, talking and saying how fans, not owners, sack most managers. He went on to say that once fans turn against the manager the owners, however supportive, will eventually bow to the pressure and get rid of them. Would our Board (if there is anyone left there) even notice we were turning against the manager?
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 12, 2020 13:44:22 GMT
True, matealotblue. UTG!
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 12, 2020 13:55:24 GMT
Hope its Coughlan and he ends up managing someone like Handsworth FC where he will be even closer to his family Even if he was sacked he would get a job as a defensive coach in the league. Despite what we might think he can organise a defensive team as a manager and make them hard to beat. He’s good at that. His difficulty is doing that and creating a team that’s good to watch and get results. Getting that balance is hard. He couldn’t make us strong defensively without sacrificing our creativity in the middle. Under DC last season GC couldn’t organise the defence well enough within the system DC wanted. He could only do it as a manager when he sacrificed something in the middle and up front. UTG! ps. Just watching the highlights from last night I think I saw more creative through balls from our midfield to JCH, at least half a dozen and all missed, than I saw under GCs time with us. That’s not a criticism just an observation.
Good post Wareham.
Also , uncannily, the opposition are not missing as many clear cut chances as they were under GC. We seem to be punished a lot more under BG for some reason. It's as if GC took the Irish luck with him, but judging by his record at Mansfield maybe it was a genie in a bottle and he had used up his last wish getting his dream move?
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Feb 12, 2020 13:56:54 GMT
I think DC will turn things around at Walsall, they’ve already shown signs of improvement.
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Post by knowall on Feb 12, 2020 14:02:37 GMT
DC: just when he appears to be under pressure Walsall have gone on a good run. Probably too inconsistent to make the play offs this season but we know DC prefers the last half of the season to the first half and his teams get better, so I think he will be fine and will get next season as well. History tells me Walsalls natural place is League 1 not League 2 so DC has great opportunity to return them there long term. The new owner appears to be patient so no imminent danger to him. GC: he’s more vulnerable. He isn’t as good a manager imo as DC insofar as his experience as a number 2 meant he could always defer to others and his experience isn’t as great. Tactically he’s good at setting up a team defensively and making it hard for teams to score but from the year he was with us he seemed very set in how his teams play. I never saw him change a match tactically with subs or systems and felt other managers could out-think him. (Southend, second half was the only match I can remember where he changed things to win at half time). And he has owners who have little patience and high expectations. Mansfield, history tells me, are a team in the correct league atm. They have a very good budget and the Radfords expect promotion after that investment. Not too sure that GC has enough talent, tactical awareness or motivation as a manager to pull it round. You wouldn’t want to go against him as we found out last season but that only lasts for a time. Given time and his own playershe will do well but I’m not sure he’ll get time. BG: he needs to turn the better performances over the past few weeks into wins. Watching the highlights from last night he needs to get JCH firing because we seem to be creating chances now but not taking them. Had JCH taken his chances we’d have been on the fringes of the play offs and the threads on here would have been been very different. He will get time from the owners more so than he will get from the fans. Can’t believe he will be gone after bringing 7 players in during January who appear to fit what he’s been saying. But he needs that first win desperately. To answer the OP GC is most vulnerable, then BG then DC imo. UTG! ps. Was out last night and coming home was listening to 5 live. Think it was Phil Brown, who I know is not everyone’s favourite, talking and saying how fans, not owners, sack most managers. He went on to say that once fans turn against the manager the owners, however supportive, will eventually bow to the pressure and get rid of them. Would our Board (if there is anyone left there) even notice we were turning against the manager?
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