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Post by twertonboy on Feb 14, 2020 18:08:04 GMT
What would you rather have
Let’s just say GC stayed and even with the 8 injuries he kept us up there but we just missed out on the play offs, We then stick with the same players and probably reward them new contracts. It’s still defensive and shocking to watch but we scraped by.
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Garner’s situation now and we start playing more entertaining football and get rid of the likes of upson and Clarke and filled their places with younger more technical players and progressed to play a good level of football and see where it takes us?
Personally I’m the latter, if upson and co are there next season I can’t see me renewing my season ticket and would be first time in 9 years to not buy one.
Personally our midfield is our main issue and it’s been proven not consistent enough to be in the top ten and pushing for promotion, If garner is kept on which I’m sure he will be unless he walks out not next season but the season after we will be up there and in good shape
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Post by albaron on Feb 14, 2020 18:13:48 GMT
Latter
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 14, 2020 18:16:00 GMT
Hmm, whilst I am absolutely gutted GC left us in the lurch and screwed up a promotion charge in what is a very water-poor league this season, BG has the unique opportunity to have an extended pre season for next season and tbh I do like to see good passing football.
Whilst there have been a few signs of improvement of late, they have been against teams in poor form, and we still haven't won any!..so whether BG is the man to take us forward god only knows but he will at least have until xmas
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Feb 14, 2020 18:17:30 GMT
Wins, no matter how they come. So GC's way for me.
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Feb 14, 2020 18:24:40 GMT
I think there was some good football under GC and we were generally getting results, so who knows what would have happened if he had stayed. If the Garner approach does eventually go to plan then that would be fantastic, but I think the jury is still out as to whether he can be an effective manager. I'm not sure Upson is the problem. Granted he's been inconsistent for us, but he's good on the ball and has played at a higher level.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 14, 2020 18:24:41 GMT
I ultimately want progression, so I'd want the latter if you put it like that. But I'm not convinced by this whole 'more entertaining' stuff is coming from. Entertaining is seeing your team win. I don't believe BG is the man to deliver wins and progression.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 14, 2020 18:25:18 GMT
I think there was some good football under GC and we were generally getting results, so who knows what would have happened if he had stayed. If the Garner approach does eventually go to plan then that would be fantastic, but I think the jury is still out as to whether he can be an effective manager. I'm not sure Upson is the problem. Granted he's been inconsistent for us, but he's good on the ball and has played at a higher level. Upson was a good player for GC. Not so much for BG and DC.
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Feb 14, 2020 18:30:21 GMT
I think there was some good football under GC and we were generally getting results, so who knows what would have happened if he had stayed. If the Garner approach does eventually go to plan then that would be fantastic, but I think the jury is still out as to whether he can be an effective manager. I'm not sure Upson is the problem. Granted he's been inconsistent for us, but he's good on the ball and has played at a higher level. Upson was a good player for GC. Not so much for BG and DC. He's played nearly every game under BG when others have been frozen out or let go
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 14, 2020 18:31:47 GMT
I ultimately want progression, so I'd want the latter if you put it like that. But I'm not convinced by this whole 'more entertaining' stuff is coming from. Entertaining is seeing your team win. I don't believe BG is the man to deliver wins and progression.
I disagree with that.
Most of the time watching games under GC you could only really enjoy the result once the final whistle blows. We never really dominated and/or thrashed anyone and winning by the odd goal we normally ended up defending for our lives to get.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 14, 2020 18:36:54 GMT
We'll never really know what the GC way was as he was stuck with the likes of Bennett, Mensah and Nichols on the wage bill, TBH I'd sooner see the likes of Ogogo, Davies & JCH in the quarters then Barrett, Harries & Daly, who could easily be flops as the next rising star.
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Post by farmygas on Feb 14, 2020 18:41:44 GMT
Seems that the narrative is BG plays more entertaining football but I've gotta say I'm not enjoying watching it. Doncaster and Wimbledon were two games in particular where we just looked terrified to run with the ball and couldn't create anything. I'm not a heatmaps person so I might be missing something. GC knew how to get wins from a bang average league one squad. BG... I'm not sure what he's doing.
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Post by eastgas on Feb 14, 2020 18:43:20 GMT
This is a tough one. As I posted in another thread I believe this club needs to build an identity and vision for the future to move us forward, and whilst I think Ben COULD be the man to take us there he has yet to acheive any result of note. We are in a fortunate position where he can be given time to build and to get us playing a brand of football the majority of supporters have been demanding, although results will need to improve sooner rather than later or patience will run out. GC on the other hand had us grinding out results and had us believing we could acheive promotion this season by having us sat in 4th! There is also a but with GC and that but is the football was hard to watch and there was always a niggling feeling that it would all soon come crashing down. Many fans were turned off by his approach to the game and this was reflected in the dwindling crowds which in reality should of been at the highest we have seen in years. After all that I would say it’s hard to pick one or the other for me personally until I have seen what BG is able to acheive over the same period of time.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 14, 2020 18:47:03 GMT
This is a tough one. As I posted in another thread I believe this club needs to build an identity and vision for the future to move us forward, and whilst I think Ben COULD be the man to take us there he has yet to acheive any result of note. We are in a fortunate position where he can be given time to build and to get us playing a brand of football the majority of supporters have been demanding, although results will need to improve sooner rather than later or patience will run out. GC on the other hand had us grinding out results and had us believing we could acheive promotion this season by having us sat in 4th! There is also a but with GC and that but is the football was hard to watch and there was always a niggling feeling that it would all soon come crashing down. Many fans were turned off by his approach to the game and this was reflected in the dwindling crowds which in reality should of been at the highest we have seen in years. After all that I would say it’s hard to pick one or the other for me personally until I have seen what BG is able to acheive over the same period of time. Fair post. When GC left I was left optimistic that we could find a manager who could take us to the next level philosophically and improve our play and have a real good go at promotion. That has been dashed and I've not felt this despondent in a while.
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Post by rovers69 on Feb 14, 2020 18:49:35 GMT
Garner is the way forward but he needs the next 16 games to build for next season . GC is a one trick pony and would have taken us nowhere. Why people belived he would take us in the championship with the squad of players he had i have no idea. He rode his luck and now he's gone -his choice. Get behind Garner and the players he has brought in so far and next season we will be challenging at the top.
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Post by mjhgas on Feb 14, 2020 18:49:59 GMT
The club needs to adopt a style of play and stick with it.
Youngsters don't just lump the ball up to a centre-forward any more. Do fans really want that? We can try and progress on the pitch as least.
Aside from "evolution" I know nothing about what we are trying to achieve - on or off the pitch.
As such, I don't go and watch as often as I used to.
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Post by pucklegas on Feb 14, 2020 18:53:47 GMT
BG the only way to progress without a rich benefactor
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Post by eastgas on Feb 14, 2020 19:01:41 GMT
The club needs to adopt a style of play and stick with it. Youngsters don't just lump the ball up to a centre-forward any more. Do fans really want that? We can try and progress on the pitch as least. Aside from "evolution" I know nothing about what we are trying to achieve - on or off the pitch. As such, I don't go and watch as often as I used to. I think you have summed up the way I and many others are feeling perfectly, and that is we just don’t know what the club are trying to acheive on or off the pitch because no has laid this out for us. I like many on here could put probably put forward a plan and vision of what the club were wanting to acheive and how we were going to go about it. We could all write a one page statement it just doesn’t seem our owners can or will. I’m not against the board in any way but they could help themselves so much and ease so much unrest amongst the fans if they just did this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 19:06:02 GMT
I really like the theory of bringing on young signings,loans and academy players as a way of improving the viability of the playing side of the club. Also the idea of a high line and energy pressing style out of possession and a pass and move with width method is very attractive. I hope garner is given more time to make the dream get somewhere near to reality and if he goes i hope we appoint a like minded manager.
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Post by lpgas on Feb 14, 2020 19:13:35 GMT
What would you rather have Let’s just say GC stayed and even with the 8 injuries he kept us up there but we just missed out on the play offs, We then stick with the same players and probably reward them new contracts. It’s still defensive and shocking to watch but we scraped by. Or Garner’s situation now and we start playing more entertaining football and get rid of the likes of upson and Clarke and filled their places with younger more technical players and progressed to play a good level of football and see where it takes us? Personally I’m the latter, if upson and co are there next season I can’t see me renewing my season ticket and would be first time in 9 years to not buy one. Personally our midfield is our main issue and it’s been proven not consistent enough to be in the top ten and pushing for promotion, If garner is kept on which I’m sure he will be unless he walks out not next season but the season after we will be up there and in good shape Don't think 3-4 at Shrewsbury was shocking, nor Southend 4-2 or even Ipswich 2-1, or Accrington 3-3. Notice the difference? GC team scored GOALS and WON games, but don't let the truth get in the way of your agenda
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Post by glengas on Feb 14, 2020 19:15:35 GMT
No brainier for me. As a season ticket holder, the football under GC was dreadful although the results were surprisingly good. I never believed in the 11 that have the shirt as a long term strategy as you end up with no strength in depth and burnt out or injured players. I was also fed up with digs at fans. He seemed to come from the position that the fans should be honoured to watch the team rather than DC who felt the players should be honoured to play for the club. I am hoping it works out for BG, but whatever happens I don’t want to go back to the GC style.
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