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Post by Goose on Mar 8, 2020 10:01:08 GMT
I think that even if Garner was to go, anyone else coming in wouldn't really improve things between now and the end of the season.... Confidence is low, and players need to be moved on anyway possible i.e. Bennett.
(Whilst I'm prepared to be shot down), I don't think realistically we would have gone up even if the previous regime were still in charge and then would the type of football being played be successful long term.... Who knows but I think not especially if you want to progress up the ladder. That type of football can only get you so far....
I am still on the opinion that Garner is the right man. Give him the summer to have a really good go, a few months of getting across what he wants with a squad he wants. If the last window is anything to go by, business will be done early and that will give him the best possible chance and then definitely nowhere to hide then .
I still think he is the right man. I genuinely think he can take us forward long term.
UTG!!!
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Post by northridinggas on Mar 8, 2020 10:08:22 GMT
I think that even if Garner was to go, anyone else coming in wouldn't really improve things between now and the end of the season.... Confidence is low, and players need to be moved on anyway possible i.e. Bennett. (Whilst I'm prepared to be shot down), I don't think realistically we would have gone up even if the previous regime were still in charge and then would the type of football being played be successful long term.... Who knows but I think not especially if you want to progress up the ladder. That type of football can only get you so far.... I am still on the opinion that Garner is the right man. Give him the summer to have a really good go, a few months of getting across what he wants with a squad he wants. If the last window is anything to go by, business will be done early and that will give him the best possible chance and then definitely nowhere to hide then . I still think he is the right man. I genuinely think he can take us forward long term. UTG!!! Thanks Ben! Genuine question, what have you seen in his time here that makes you think he's the right man for the job?
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 8, 2020 10:31:30 GMT
I think that even if Garner was to go, anyone else coming in wouldn't really improve things between now and the end of the season.... Confidence is low, and players need to be moved on anyway possible i.e. Bennett. (Whilst I'm prepared to be shot down), I don't think realistically we would have gone up even if the previous regime were still in charge and then would the type of football being played be successful long term.... Who knows but I think not especially if you want to progress up the ladder. That type of football can only get you so far.... I am still on the opinion that Garner is the right man. Give him the summer to have a really good go, a few months of getting across what he wants with a squad he wants. If the last window is anything to go by, business will be done early and that will give him the best possible chance and then definitely nowhere to hide then . I still think he is the right man. I genuinely think he can take us forward long term. UTG!!! Thanks Ben! Genuine question, what have you seen in his time here that makes you think he's the right man for the job? [bri I have seen how sh** the players really are and how badly we need to have a major clear out,gc massively over achieved with this bunch of wasters but that would of come to a end like it has We have been awful for over a year now and been very lucky,Jch produced the form of his life and he’s gone back to his former self now I would rather see kids playing every week that try and lose,these players are on good money and are robbing the fans I won’t be going to watch this rubbish until effort is put in,why should fans work hard all week to pay their wages and watch crap ]
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Post by Goose on Mar 8, 2020 10:55:43 GMT
I think that even if Garner was to go, anyone else coming in wouldn't really improve things between now and the end of the season.... Confidence is low, and players need to be moved on anyway possible i.e. Bennett. (Whilst I'm prepared to be shot down), I don't think realistically we would have gone up even if the previous regime were still in charge and then would the type of football being played be successful long term.... Who knows but I think not especially if you want to progress up the ladder. That type of football can only get you so far.... I am still on the opinion that Garner is the right man. Give him the summer to have a really good go, a few months of getting across what he wants with a squad he wants. If the last window is anything to go by, business will be done early and that will give him the best possible chance and then definitely nowhere to hide then . I still think he is the right man. I genuinely think he can take us forward long term. UTG!!! Thanks Ben! Genuine question, what have you seen in his time here that makes you think he's the right man for the job? 1/ He is trying to develop youngsters to make us more sustainable as a club... Produce assets to give more value to the club. 2/ whilst I completely agree the performances haven't been good enough, what I was trying to say was a) I don't think anyone else would do much better at the moment. b) Coughlans football would get found out at a higher lever (if we got there). 3/ He obviously has a high coaching pedigree (hence the various recommendations) and he is trying to get us to play that type of game which will benefit us in the long run
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Post by titchthephot on Mar 8, 2020 10:56:12 GMT
Season ticket holder for a decade, not going Tuesday unless Gardner is sacked. I love this club but it is dying with Starnes and Gardner living in his football manager and Chairman of a delusional fantasy world. Similar to you (although I've been a Gashead since 1971 I've only been a ST holder since the Conference days) but I can't bear the thought of watching us get annihilated on Tuesday....so I'm taking the wife to the cinema instead. If we are made to look very poor against the worst sides in the league then Sunderland and Ipswich will need a cricket scoreboard to keep count. I was fully prepared to give BG a really good go at turning the team into his vision. It is more than obvious to every one (except the manager and the owners) that the current batch of players don't buy into his philosophy. I'd much rather have DC back...at least when we lost with him it wasn't for the lack of trying.
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Post by Strange Gas on Mar 8, 2020 11:09:41 GMT
When the club puts up an edited 2 mins version of the post match interview, you know they ain’t happy. Let’s see if there’s more action to follow. Something gotta change
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 11:09:45 GMT
If you get told at work you aren't wanted and will be let go in 7 months how much effort would you put in? Enough to get paid for 7 months.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 11:28:44 GMT
Thanks Ben! Genuine question, what have you seen in his time here that makes you think he's the right man for the job? 1/ He is trying to develop youngsters to make us more sustainable as a club... Produce assets to give more value to the club. 2/ whilst I completely agree the performances haven't been good enough, what I was trying to say was a) I don't think anyone else would do much better at the moment. b) Coughlans football would get found out at a higher lever (if we got there). 3/ He obviously has a high coaching pedigree (hence the various recommendations) and he is trying to get us to play that type of game which will benefit us in the long run Some sympathy for this view. Looking back over the couple of years there is a pattern of underperformance. Look at DC's last year, there were some humiliating defeats during that period. Why? Well at the time we blamed the selling of our best players, Taylor, Bodin etc. GC ground out enough results, with 4 months of above average performances by JCH. It appears to me that, based upon reports from games, we were lucky with too many of those results to feel comfortable. Then GC walks out in the most bizarre circumstances there could be. There is something wrong, it seems to me, at the heart of the club and I cannot put my finger on it. But, the sense of utter drift is palpable and the executive needs to sort it. But they indicate absolutely no ability, perhaps even desire, to do so. Garner, as an appointment, I think is just another manifestation of this drift, given how the squad are performing under him. It's not just him.
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 8, 2020 12:22:15 GMT
Paper saying he is going nowhere and pretty certain about it.just dont get it why the board would stick to this path. Understand the budget being cut but it's going to be decimated with less income from renewals and people going. Business model is plain suicide
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 8, 2020 12:35:06 GMT
Supporter power it is then. It’ll hurt but we’ll have to vote with our feet.
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Post by socrates on Mar 8, 2020 12:53:27 GMT
If BG really isn’t going anywhere then he needs to deploy emergency tactics for the rest of the season and put 10 men behind the ball for every game to give the team a realistic chance of at least achieving a draw. Being closer together they can practice their triangles to their heart’s content and the lone striker maybe gets a one-on-one opportunity every other game. He has to stop the rot any way he can, start to pick up a few points to keep the cushion between us and the bottom. Then, in the summer, if he still wants to play like Liverpool, he needs to look at what makes Klopp the man, not his tactics and budget. I think playing a simple back to basics 442 would give us a better chance. Garner seems to have confused the players from day 1. It needs to be back to basics if he stays. But I do want him gone.
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Post by northridinggas on Mar 8, 2020 12:54:51 GMT
Thanks Ben! Genuine question, what have you seen in his time here that makes you think he's the right man for the job? 1/ He is trying to develop youngsters to make us more sustainable as a club... Produce assets to give more value to the club. 2/ whilst I completely agree the performances haven't been good enough, what I was trying to say was a) I don't think anyone else would do much better at the moment. b) Coughlans football would get found out at a higher lever (if we got there). 3/ He obviously has a high coaching pedigree (hence the various recommendations) and he is trying to get us to play that type of game which will benefit us in the long run 1/ The development squad seem to be going backwards if anything (I don't blame BG for that by the way) and he seems reluctant to actually play young players 2/ I agree we don't know for sure if anyone could do better but what we DO know is that with his results no one could do any worse! 3/ I would like to believe he is trying to make us play the 'right' way but I haven't seen any evidence, the players seem completely lost and I haven't really seen any masterplan in his tactics. I also agree he had a great reputation as a coach but it is a big step up to being a manager. A coach is in control of his environment the key strength of a manager is being able to adapt to the circumstances, BG seems incapable of this
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 8, 2020 12:55:04 GMT
Supporter power it is then. It’ll hurt but we’ll have to vote with our feet. Genuine question do you honestly think not going is going to force the board to act ? We have 5 home games left 2 of which are Sunderland & Ipswich who will both sell their allocation, add to that the season ticket holders who will be counted anyway. Potentially that only leaves 3 games where the crowds may be significantly down, the budget looks as though it's going to be drastically cut anyway so are 3 lower crowds really going to matter ? The board have clearly decided that BG is the man to clear out the high earners & replace them with young cheaper players, I personally don't think anything that happens between now & May is going to change that.
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Post by socrates on Mar 8, 2020 12:56:41 GMT
When the club puts up an edited 2 mins version of the post match interview, you know they ain’t happy. Let’s see if there’s more action to follow. Something gotta change I was thinking that. I missed the original one nterview about the virus and stuff and only saw the 2 minute one. I actually think he may well be sacked tomorrow.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 8, 2020 13:02:54 GMT
When the club puts up an edited 2 mins version of the post match interview, you know they ain’t happy. Let’s see if there’s more action to follow. Something gotta change I was thinking that. I missed the original one nterview about the virus and stuff and only saw the 2 minute one. I actually think he may well be sacked tomorrow. The whole interview transcript is on the Bristol live page. Having read it I personally don't think it was that bad an interview. I think the circumstances around it and the majority having already made up their minds about him made it sound worse than it actually was.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2020 13:06:26 GMT
Crowd of 4k on Tuesday then (including the 1100 Mackems)? They have to include ST’s so I would doubt it would be shown as that but I can see that being a realistic appraisal
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2020 13:15:19 GMT
I remember fans chanting "we want Buckle out" "We want Buckle out" That worked. To the tune of oops upside your head ?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2020 13:20:18 GMT
"(We're) all on the same page," Garner said. "That's the president and chief executive, who have been great in that respect. They knew the situation here when I came in, what was in place and the fact where we were wasn't a representation of what was going on." "We didn't expect the results we've had but we also had injuries to key players" Incredible if that is the case. The blind leading the blind comes to mind. I would imagine Tranmere will see us as a real target now and will have their tails up. We really do have a chance of being relegated. I thought it wouldn’t be a possibility but that spectre is now becoming a big possibility and given the teams we have to play next. Hate to even be thinking this way
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Post by matealotblue on Mar 8, 2020 13:21:35 GMT
Supporter power it is then. It’ll hurt but we’ll have to vote with our feet. Genuine question do you honestly think not going is going to force the board to act ? We have 5 home games left 2 of which are Sunderland & Ipswich who will both sell their allocation, add to that the season ticket holders who will be counted anyway. Potentially that only leaves 3 games where the crowds may be significantly down, the budget looks as though it's going to be drastically cut anyway so are 3 lower crowds really going to matter ? The board have clearly decided that BG is the man to clear out the high earners & replace them with young cheaper players, I personally don't think anything that happens between now & May is going to change that. It’s what happens between August and May next year that worries me, when he ain’t got a cushion of points to fall back on.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 8, 2020 13:35:08 GMT
Genuine question do you honestly think not going is going to force the board to act ? We have 5 home games left 2 of which are Sunderland & Ipswich who will both sell their allocation, add to that the season ticket holders who will be counted anyway. Potentially that only leaves 3 games where the crowds may be significantly down, the budget looks as though it's going to be drastically cut anyway so are 3 lower crowds really going to matter ? The board have clearly decided that BG is the man to clear out the high earners & replace them with young cheaper players, I personally don't think anything that happens between now & May is going to change that. It’s what happens between August and May next year that worries me, when he ain’t got a cushion of points to fall back on. Completely agree, if it had been the usual 4 to go down season the boards hand may well have been forced already but I think they have put all their eggs in the summer revamp basket and will stick to that regardless.
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