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Post by stevek192 on Mar 11, 2020 10:40:17 GMT
gasandelectricity, Can you not give praise where it is due? BG was always going to be given to the end of the season and beyond. Last night gave at a minimum the evidence that BG CAN motivate the players and get a performance out of them but I agree one swallow doesn't make a summer but to say that "where there’s a great chance he’ll do damage to what good is left of our playing and coaching teams" is ridiculous. I always say if you can't say anything positive after a good performance and result then you are best to say nothing at all. BG could go on to be the best Manager of all time or he could be the worst but no doubt you are one of the Manchester United supporters (if you are old enough) who would have sacked Sir Alec Ferguson after a very poor start. I am prepared to give him a chance because it is not (contrary to common belief) easy to take over a team that is at the peak of their form because the likelihood is that you are going to fail however if you take over a team at their worst then your chances of succeeding are that much better.
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 11, 2020 10:56:09 GMT
Let's see if they carry on the same on Saturday when they's no pre arranged team photo to take at the end of the game, I'm starting to think it's player power the issue not down to BG. Well done for winning a big game and virtually confirming survival but I can’t help but feel a lot of gasheads are being extremely fickle and changing their views on the manager, chanting for him to wave, when after Shrewsbury they were baying for his blood so to speak. Zero consistency. Absolutely. I couldn`t believe what I was hearing. How many fans on here who have been calling for his dismissal for weeks, chanted his name on the strength of 90 minutes football against an extremely poor Sunderland side. You know who you are.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 11, 2020 11:05:50 GMT
Fair play he got everything spot on tonight. If that conman Upson gets near the midfield again this year I’ll go nuts. The energy that Hargreaves bought to the midfield allowed OC to do what he does best which is break up play, simple passing and look to move the ball forward. It was exactly what we were missing for the last X number of games. Bar putting Hare back in at RWB when he’s fit then he needs to stick with this side, keep it simple and demand the same work rate and it will get results. One swallow and all that, but there were promising signs tonight. "conman Upson" is very harsh. He was one of our best players under GC.
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Post by northridinggas on Mar 11, 2020 11:17:54 GMT
The reason we did well last night is BG finally adapted play instead of sticking to a rigid formula and actually played to our strengths. I really hope this is the start of something positive but I remain a sceptic (and can't help thinking what might have been if he had shown this flexibility earlier)
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Post by completewingback on Mar 11, 2020 11:19:19 GMT
This squad was made to play in a 3-5-2 (or 5-3-2, I guess that's how you call it in Europe) and I'm glad that Garner played a bit closer to Coughlan's blueprint, what with Rodman as a WB and JCH with support up front instead of being a lone striker. Definitely showed an energy that was missing for a while.
Hopefully we can finally put the whole debacle behind us and back him up, but let's not get TOO excited just yet...
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Post by pirate49 on Mar 11, 2020 11:38:14 GMT
Last night was a good performance and and a very good result. However I'd be a hypocrite and fickle and now said all's well and we have had a glimpse of the future. It reminds me of the poor teacher who unexpectedly pulls out of the bag an outstanding lesson when he/she's being assessed or O.F.S.T.E.D. appears. So well done Ben on getting things right last night. Now let's see a sustained improvement for the rest of the season.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Mar 11, 2020 11:38:32 GMT
Let's see if they carry on the same on Saturday when they's no pre arranged team photo to take at the end of the game, I'm starting to think it's player power the issue not down to BG. I think a lot of it was pride after losing to Southend and having a big game against a team like Sunderland. Well done for winning a big game and virtually confirming survival but I can’t help but feel a lot of gasheads are being extremely fickle and changing their views on the manager, chanting for him to wave, when after Shrewsbury they were baying for his blood so to speak. Zero consistency. He has won one more game and that brings his total to 2 in 20, 10%. That still keeps him well towards the bottom of the table for win ratios as Bristol Rovers manager. He did not take over a team losing game after game on a downward spiral, he took over a team on a significant winning run which placed us in 4th in the table and set us on a form which over the first half of next season could see us in a Southend situation. He has to do a lot more than beat Sunderland on a one off and beat 10 man Blackpool to prove he’s worthy of managing Bristol Rovers. I fear this win papers over the cracks and makes it more likely he will see through the summer where there’s a great chance he’ll do damage to what good is left of our playing and coaching teams, as so far he has still proven nothing in terms of his ability to affect us as a team through recruitment and tactical changes. Sensible post👏👏
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 11, 2020 11:38:43 GMT
gasandelectricity, Can you not give praise where it is due? BG was always going to be given to the end of the season and beyond. Last night gave at a minimum the evidence that BG CAN motivate the players and get a performance out of them but I agree one swallow doesn't make a summer but to say that "where there’s a great chance he’ll do damage to what good is left of our playing and coaching teams" is ridiculous. I always say if you can't say anything positive after a good performance and result then you are best to say nothing at all. BG could go on to be the best Manager of all time or he could be the worst but no doubt you are one of the Manchester United supporters (if you are old enough) who would have sacked Sir Alec Ferguson after a very poor start. I am prepared to give him a chance because it is not (contrary to common belief) easy to take over a team that is at the peak of their form because the likelihood is that you are going to fail however if you take over a team at their worst then your chances of succeeding are that much better. I did say well done for winning a big game. However the stats still point to the fact that he has underperformed significantly. If he’d have taken over a team that was already struggling then fair play, I’d be willing to give him a chance. However, he has taken over a team that was doing well. Yes the circumstances would dictate that the team form was likely to fall apart to some extent after the change of manager, but there was no reason for it to collapse entirely like it has done. Let’s hope I’m wrong on my assessment but if it was down to me this blip changes nothing and I’d be moving him on still. Would you have persisted with Tom Nichols? Luke James? After scoring a solitary goal?
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Post by oldsage on Mar 11, 2020 11:41:58 GMT
Brilliant night fo us fans. However, as soon as the whistle went the team reacted as if we had won the league and went straight for a group hug and ready for that photo opportunity. We now know that it was centred around Craig's 600 appearance and rightly so. They went straight to him. So the question is asked, Were they playing for the manager or more to do with Craigs special night? To me the whole team seem to be playing to their own strengths rather than some tactical plan. Glad they did. Noticed that BG was going down the tunnel when stopped by a back room member and told to join the players who were in a huddle celebrating and getting the photo taken.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Mar 11, 2020 13:03:18 GMT
Originally I was prepared to give BG a fair chance, then failure after failure turned me to join the many 'Sack BG' brigade but after last nights performance the pendulum is swinging back in his favour. Still a long way to go but if he can get the team to play like a team (I don't care if we lose as long as we try to play and get beaten by a better team) then he will get my support. It's funny that we seem to play better football against the better teams! Looking forward to Saturday now.
I don't think its quite there yet. Hard to change an opinion based on one game as much as it was to write him off after his first game. What I want to see now is a prolonged improvement as before last night I hadn't seen any.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 11, 2020 14:20:21 GMT
Quite right.
When we go on a run and form begins to turn on a consistent trend don’t worry I’ll be one of the first to say I got it wrong.
After one game I’m not gonna flip flop and act as if I’ve been backing him all along.
80% wanted him gone after Shrewsbury, 93%ish after Southend so it seems to me quite a reversal for the majority of the forum and support base to be hounding those who are consistent and still aren’t convinced. One game doesn’t make a manager.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 11, 2020 15:27:23 GMT
Credit where it’s due, that was quite a result. Well deserved from a team that gave their all. A few standout performances but everyone raised their game tonight, and Sunderland were poor and niggly compared to when we were at theirs. Well done gas! Sunderland were as bad last night as they were at their place a couple of weeks ago. They were rolling around and doing everything they could to disrupt the game and trying to influence the ref, who was a complete tosser. How he turned down the penalty and then booked Hargreaves was a total travesty. I hope the bastards go up because I would enjoy watching them get slaughtered every week in the Championship. Their fans have got typical big club syndrome. We could welcome them back to L1 the following season and see if they've still got Billy Big Bollox attitude.
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Post by titchthephot on Mar 11, 2020 18:39:40 GMT
Originally I was prepared to give BG a fair chance, then failure after failure turned me to join the many 'Sack BG' brigade but after last nights performance the pendulum is swinging back in his favour. Still a long way to go but if he can get the team to play like a team (I don't care if we lose as long as we try to play and get beaten by a better team) then he will get my support. It's funny that we seem to play better football against the better teams! Looking forward to Saturday now.
I don't think its quite there yet. Hard to change an opinion based on one game as much as it was to write him off after his first game. What I want to see now is a prolonged improvement as before last night I hadn't seen any.
Totally agree with you about judging him on one game...but it is in the right direction. It just now needs to keep going in that direction - which hopefully it will!!
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Post by putterbishopston on Mar 12, 2020 4:24:49 GMT
One Ben Swallow does not make a summer!.
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Post by madgas on Mar 12, 2020 7:49:34 GMT
Let's see if they carry on the same on Saturday when they's no pre arranged team photo to take at the end of the game, I'm starting to think it's player power the issue not down to BG. I think a lot of it was pride after losing to Southend and having a big game against a team like Sunderland. Well done for winning a big game and virtually confirming survival but I can’t help but feel a lot of gasheads are being extremely fickle and changing their views on the manager, chanting for him to wave, when after Shrewsbury they were baying for his blood so to speak. Zero consistency. He has won one more game and that brings his total to 2 in 20, 10%. That still keeps him well towards the bottom of the table for win ratios as Bristol Rovers manager. He did not take over a team losing game after game on a downward spiral, he took over a team on a significant winning run which placed us in 4th in the table and set us on a form which over the first half of next season could see us in a Southend situation. He has to do a lot more than beat Sunderland on a one off and beat 10 man Blackpool to prove he’s worthy of managing Bristol Rovers. I fear this win papers over the cracks and makes it more likely he will see through the summer where there’s a great chance he’ll do damage to what good is left of our playing and coaching teams, as so far he has still proven nothing in terms of his ability to affect us as a team through recruitment and tactical changes. I do disagree with a couple of your points. Mainly around recruitment- I'd suggest that all the signings made by BG have an overall approval rating. Yes, most are works in progress but none are rotten. I think its important to give credit where it's due rather than dismiss it with cliches: "paper over the cracks." There were clearly some good aspects last night. I'd argue that JML (a BG signing was fantastic).. But I think it's a little unfair to suggest BG had little involvement in last night success. Can I wash my hands of the other performances and blame them on the ex gaffer too? Rather than others being fickle- perhaps it's a case that you wont change your mind. Your post certainly reads that way. I wouldn't expect a single result to win supporters over. However I would expect credit to be given where due. I think you're post dismisses any notion of objectivity. That was the best home performance of the season and zero credit is given to the gaffer- moreover reference the other more numerous failures. Overall- I concede that hes had a bad start and would have understood the logic if the owner had dismissed him earlier. But I think it's a little weird that people criticise others for changing their minds. I remember watching match of the day maybe 5 years ago... it was Christmas and Man city were about 10 points ahead of Chelsea. And Shearer was asked who he thought would win the league. And he replied: "Chelsea because I picked them at the start of season?" What an idiot. Just because you pick something doesnt mean you're not allowed to change your mind.
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Post by CrispPusher on Mar 12, 2020 12:25:33 GMT
Let's see if they carry on the same on Saturday when they's no pre arranged team photo to take at the end of the game, I'm starting to think it's player power the issue not down to BG. I think a lot of it was pride after losing to Southend and having a big game against a team like Sunderland. Well done for winning a big game and virtually confirming survival but I can’t help but feel a lot of gasheads are being extremely fickle and changing their views on the manager, chanting for him to wave, when after Shrewsbury they were baying for his blood so to speak. Zero consistency. He has won one more game and that brings his total to 2 in 20, 10%. That still keeps him well towards the bottom of the table for win ratios as Bristol Rovers manager. He did not take over a team losing game after game on a downward spiral, he took over a team on a significant winning run which placed us in 4th in the table and set us on a form which over the first half of next season could see us in a Southend situation. He has to do a lot more than beat Sunderland on a one off and beat 10 man Blackpool to prove he’s worthy of managing Bristol Rovers. I fear this win papers over the cracks and makes it more likely he will see through the summer where there’s a great chance he’ll do damage to what good is left of our playing and coaching teams, as so far he has still proven nothing in terms of his ability to affect us as a team through recruitment and tactical changes. It was a bitter sweet result, was fantastic to beat Sunderland whose management and players I have no respect for and to remain 13 points ahead of Tranmere; however it further enables Ben Garner to be in the position to relegate us next season.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Mar 12, 2020 14:39:49 GMT
For me the Sunderland result was not bitter sweet. It was a great result and performance against a team who should be walking this league. Of course we've got problems but they are nowhere near the issues facing Sunderland. That club with its facilities, resources and fan base should be in the Premiership. Currently, they are not even in the play off positions for L1!
Regarding BG. It was a great result and he should be congratulated on it. However, let's not get carried away. His record is dismal and he will need a lot more results like Tuesday night before I am convinced he's the right man.
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Post by lpgas on Mar 12, 2020 16:54:44 GMT
I think that performance was for Craig. Ben Garner could have played this formation 18 games ago and we could have finished in a decent spot. Of course the higher you finish the more money you get. the mans a muppet
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Post by markczgas on Mar 12, 2020 18:37:05 GMT
Quite right. When we go on a run and form begins to turn on a consistent trend don’t worry I’ll be one of the first to say I got it wrong. After one game I’m not gonna flip flop and act as if I’ve been backing him all along. 80% wanted him gone after Shrewsbury, 93%ish after Southend so it seems to me quite a reversal for the majority of the forum and support base to be hounding those who are consistent and still aren’t convinced. One game doesn’t make a manager. 93 % of who ? 2 dozen angry keyboard warriors on Gaschat ?
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Post by markczgas on Mar 12, 2020 18:39:02 GMT
I think a lot of it was pride after losing to Southend and having a big game against a team like Sunderland. Well done for winning a big game and virtually confirming survival but I can’t help but feel a lot of gasheads are being extremely fickle and changing their views on the manager, chanting for him to wave, when after Shrewsbury they were baying for his blood so to speak. Zero consistency. He has won one more game and that brings his total to 2 in 20, 10%. That still keeps him well towards the bottom of the table for win ratios as Bristol Rovers manager. He did not take over a team losing game after game on a downward spiral, he took over a team on a significant winning run which placed us in 4th in the table and set us on a form which over the first half of next season could see us in a Southend situation. He has to do a lot more than beat Sunderland on a one off and beat 10 man Blackpool to prove he’s worthy of managing Bristol Rovers. I fear this win papers over the cracks and makes it more likely he will see through the summer where there’s a great chance he’ll do damage to what good is left of our playing and coaching teams, as so far he has still proven nothing in terms of his ability to affect us as a team through recruitment and tactical changes. It was a bitter sweet result, was fantastic to beat Sunderland whose management and players I have no respect for and to remain 13 points ahead of Tranmere; however it further enables Ben Garner to be in the position to relegate us next season. Give it a rest !
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