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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 12, 2020 18:57:02 GMT
Quite right. When we go on a run and form begins to turn on a consistent trend don’t worry I’ll be one of the first to say I got it wrong. After one game I’m not gonna flip flop and act as if I’ve been backing him all along. 80% wanted him gone after Shrewsbury, 93%ish after Southend so it seems to me quite a reversal for the majority of the forum and support base to be hounding those who are consistent and still aren’t convinced. One game doesn’t make a manager. 93 % of who ? 2 dozen angry keyboard warriors on Gaschat ? Well over two dozen
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Post by madgas on Mar 12, 2020 19:46:28 GMT
I think it's just weird to criticise people for changing their minds...
It was a great performance on Tuesday. And if people wanna revel in it- well that's football.
People don't need reminding of the record its known. Let the more the positively disposed enjoy the result.
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Post by gruad on Mar 12, 2020 21:22:00 GMT
At least he showed some humility and tried to build on the back of what GC did before him that worked.
He may be mega talented or not but surely if you inherit something successful then the first thing you do is keep to that pattern while you finds out how it works before you add any of your own flava.
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 13, 2020 10:24:31 GMT
Lets be a bit fair when we say that Ben took over a team in 4th place. Yes that is correct BUT and its a big but. How many points were gained in that first period by world class saves week in week out from Annsi and Ben Garner lost him within 8 minutes of the game against MK Dons and confidence went big time until Ben signed Blackman. Whilst Blackman is a brilliant basic goalkeeper he does not make the worldies that Annsi did. I actually think Blasckman is the better all round keeper but will not win as many points as Annsi did. Add to this when you take over a team in a great position you can generally only go one way-down whereas if you take over a team performing badly it is easier to make signings that will make the team better and your chances are that there will be an upturn. I don't really think there were many of us who thought we were a top four side.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 13:32:17 GMT
Lets be a bit fair when we say that Ben took over a team in 4th place. Yes that is correct BUT and its a big but. How many points were gained in that first period by world class saves week in week out from Annsi and Ben Garner lost him within 8 minutes of the game against MK Dons and confidence went big time until Ben signed Blackman. Whilst Blackman is a brilliant basic goalkeeper he does not make the worldies that Annsi did. I actually think Blasckman is the better all round keeper but will not win as many points as Annsi did. Add to this when you take over a team in a great position you can generally only go one way-down whereas if you take over a team performing badly it is easier to make signings that will make the team better and your chances are that there will be an upturn. I don't really think there were many of us who thought we were a top four side. That liverpool keeper is brilliant look what happened when he was injured. So really liverpool are very lucky and in a false position because of alisson. So basically klopp and coughlan just got lucky because of their goalkeepers.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Mar 13, 2020 15:29:39 GMT
It was a bitter sweet result, was fantastic to beat Sunderland whose management and players I have no respect for and to remain 13 points ahead of Tranmere; however it further enables Ben Garner to be in the position to relegate us next season. Give it a rest ! No - why the f**k should he? He’s entitled to his opinion. I do think it’s ridiculous that so many are now acting like we’ve won the Dam league - 2 wins in 20 games! That’s nothing to be shouting about . . .
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 13, 2020 18:45:25 GMT
Bluebutterfly, I know what you are saying but it was the worse situation that he could have come into with that happening straightaway especially for a team like us that scored very few goals and rarely win a game by more than one goal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 19:31:46 GMT
No - why the f**k should he? He’s entitled to his opinion. I do think it’s ridiculous that so many are now acting like we’ve won the f**king league - 2 wins in 20 games! That’s nothing to be shouting about . . . You got high blood pressure I bet lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 20:42:27 GMT
Bluebutterfly, I know what you are saying but it was the worse situation that he could have come into with that happening straightaway especially for a team like us that scored very few goals and rarely win a game by more than one goal. How i see it is that there is no need to play down coughlan's achievements at rovers just to support an argument for ben garner. When coughlan was manager people put down DC to big up coughlan but to me that was stupid. If garner can get the team playing like they did v sunderland he can make his own reputation without any need to downplay the previous manager. Under coughlan jaakola,hare,davies,craig,kilgour,upson,ogogo and clarke-harris were all consistent performers so it was not just about those jaakola saves.
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 14, 2020 9:14:43 GMT
Certainly no intention to play down the achievements of Coughlan but merely trying to point out that whilst I very much wish we could have seen what GC would do in January it is an AWFUL time to start a new project when a team is doing so well and pretty well the only way is down when your owners have no intentions whatsoever of bringing in the expensive players that really were required to make the team even better= a proven goalscorer, a proven creative midfielder or two and a winger or two. I make the point on Jaakola as being the last thing that the new Manager could do with as he was in unbelievable form. Nothing more , nothing less. It is a great shame and sums up- Garners luck that after such a great win on Tuesday the next game will not be until at least after 3rd April!!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 14, 2020 14:57:03 GMT
Certainly no intention to play down the achievements of Coughlan but merely trying to point out that whilst I very much wish we could have seen what GC would do in January it is an AWFUL time to start a new project when a team is doing so well and pretty well the only way is down when your owners have no intentions whatsoever of bringing in the expensive players that really were required to make the team even better= a proven goalscorer, a proven creative midfielder or two and a winger or two. I make the point on Jaakola as being the last thing that the new Manager could do with as he was in unbelievable form. Nothing more , nothing less. It is a great shame and sums up- Garners luck that after such a great win on Tuesday the next game will not be until at least after 3rd April!! No, it was the best time, coz it meant you could lose ten games and still be mid table. Your argument pretty much boils down to it was AWFUL coz it was so good.
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Post by markczgas on Mar 14, 2020 16:07:04 GMT
Lets be a bit fair when we say that Ben took over a team in 4th place. Yes that is correct BUT and its a big but. How many points were gained in that first period by world class saves week in week out from Annsi and Ben Garner lost him within 8 minutes of the game against MK Dons and confidence went big time until Ben signed Blackman. Whilst Blackman is a brilliant basic goalkeeper he does not make the worldies that Annsi did. I actually think Blasckman is the better all round keeper but will not win as many points as Annsi did. Add to this when you take over a team in a great position you can generally only go one way-down whereas if you take over a team performing badly it is easier to make signings that will make the team better and your chances are that there will be an upturn. I don't really think there were many of us who thought we were a top four side. That liverpool keeper is brilliant look what happened when he was injured. So really liverpool are very lucky and in a false position because of alisson. So basically klopp and coughlan just got lucky because of their goalkeepers. think he's saying a combination of things but The Jaak won us many points for sure. We were not destined to finish 4th the way we were playing under GC - I'd have been happy to stayed in the top 10. Maybe if he stayed and got 3 more good players in ( striker to partner JCH, a left -sided wing back/attacker and someone at right-wing back to replace Hare then yes - top 6 was on.
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Post by markczgas on Mar 14, 2020 16:09:46 GMT
Bluebutterfly, I know what you are saying but it was the worse situation that he could have come into with that happening straightaway especially for a team like us that scored very few goals and rarely win a game by more than one goal. How i see it is that there is no need to play down coughlan's achievements at rovers just to support an argument for ben garner. When coughlan was manager people put down DC to big up coughlan but to me that was stupid. If garner can get the team playing like they did v sunderland he can make his own reputation without any need to downplay the previous manager. Under coughlan jaakola,hare,davies,craig,kilgour,upson,ogogo and clarke-harris were all consistent performers so it was not just about those jaakola saves. Agree with you they performed well but these 3 couldn't play for BG as they were injured for most/nearly all of the 16 league games - so made BG's job a lot harder, no ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 16:20:42 GMT
That liverpool keeper is brilliant look what happened when he was injured. So really liverpool are very lucky and in a false position because of alisson. So basically klopp and coughlan just got lucky because of their goalkeepers. think he's saying a combination of things but The Jaak won us many points for sure. We were not destined to finish 4th the way we were playing under GC - I'd have been happy to stayed in the top 10. Maybe if he stayed and got 3 more good players in ( striker to partner JCH, a left -sided wing back/attacker and someone at right-wing back to replace Hare then yes - top 6 was on. Nobody will ever know where we would have finished under coughlan. Coventry looked a really good side but all the others look about the same to me including rovers so who knows? Its a moot point anyway because he left.
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