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Post by yattongas on Mar 12, 2020 13:40:10 GMT
Nope, but figures show an average death rate of 600 per year. Unless you count 2008/2009 when 13000 died of it. So 1 in 12 are hospitilized? 1 in 6 are seriously ill. Care to put a figure against that? Flu mortality is about 0.1% Coronavirus is at 3.4% right now. Pretty much tells you everything you need to know. In theory, 2.2m in the UK could die from Coronavirus, based on those figures. It’s a higher death rate than that in Italy 🇮🇹
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Post by baggins on Mar 12, 2020 13:44:40 GMT
Well I’m a season ticket holder and I for one won’t be demanding my money back if all the remaining games are played behind closed doors, the club need the money more than me. I signed up to a season ticket knowing full well that there’s a possibility of the fixtures not being fulfilled, how ever unlikely that may be. Good lad. I'm off to the Mem tomorrow to renew mine.
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Post by northridinggas on Mar 12, 2020 13:51:21 GMT
Another issue is that the more who catch it, the higher the chance of then passing it on to those whom it is more dangerous. But it only effects those in ill health. Or aged. Like the standard flu. That's alright then Baggins, they can all just go and die! I despair when I read this board sometimes. If you want to know about the effectiveness of measures to restrict public events look up James Niven and the Spanish Flu in Manchester.
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Post by nsblue on Mar 12, 2020 13:52:09 GMT
In terms of football, with most leagues in Europe suspended, simply cancel the Euro's till 2021 and allow the season to be extended into May / June. Premier League clubs do not need gate money, teams like Rovers need every penny spend in terms of fans coming through the turnstile, buying programmes, pies, pints etc at the ground. If the EFL allows games to go ahead behind closed doors without any recompense for the clubs, then it could be the death knell for some clubs.
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Post by yattongas on Mar 12, 2020 13:52:30 GMT
Another issue is that the more who catch it, the higher the chance of then passing it on to those whom it is more dangerous. But it only effects those in ill health. Or aged. Like the standard flu. 1.4% of those in their 50’s die , 0.4% in forties die and 0.2% 10-39 die. Extrapolated that’s still quite a lot of people. What a staggeringly stupid thing to say !!
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Post by Gassy on Mar 12, 2020 13:53:05 GMT
Flu mortality is about 0.1% Coronavirus is at 3.4% right now. Pretty much tells you everything you need to know. In theory, 2.2m in the UK could die from Coronavirus, based on those figures. Those figures are meaningless. 0.1% of the Worlds population could catch flu and die, compared to 3.4% of a few thousand that have caught COVID19. 2.2 million deaths in the UK because of it? That means everyone in the UK has to be infected. And what do you think happens if we do nothing?
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Post by Gassy on Mar 12, 2020 13:53:59 GMT
But it only effects those in ill health. Or aged. Like the standard flu. 1.4% of those in their 50’s die , 0.4% in forties die and 0.2% 10-39 die. Extrapolated that’s still quite a lot of people. What a staggeringly stupid thing to say !! Plus, it's complete bullsh*t that they're the only ones that die. Such a lack of education on the matter.
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Post by hollyhillgas on Mar 12, 2020 14:06:08 GMT
Well I’m a season ticket holder and I for one won’t be demanding my money back if all the remaining games are played behind closed doors, the club need the money more than me. I signed up to a season ticket knowing full well that there’s a possibility of the fixtures not being fulfilled, how ever unlikely that may be. It's going to impact on earnings and savings. I'm season ticket holder, but if I've got less to spend it will be one of the things I cut back.
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Post by baggins on Mar 12, 2020 14:08:15 GMT
But it only effects those in ill health. Or aged. Like the standard flu. That's alright then Baggins, they can all just go and die! I despair when I read this board sometimes. If you want to know about the effectiveness of measures to restrict public events look up James Niven and the Spanish Flu in Manchester. I didn't say that, so please stop putting words in my mouth. And stop with the aggresion as well, it's a forum where everyone puts their thoughts across.
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 12, 2020 14:08:42 GMT
Not only the clubs are In Limbo but it could also affect players careers if the games get cancelled or moved to june or july Just thinking from the rovers players who have been told they wont be here next season. How many potential moves in the efl have already been unofficially signed if that happens. Would some deals just collapse. Interesting and worrying times for football in this country.
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Post by baggins on Mar 12, 2020 14:09:55 GMT
Those figures are meaningless. 0.1% of the Worlds population could catch flu and die, compared to 3.4% of a few thousand that have caught COVID19. 2.2 million deaths in the UK because of it? That means everyone in the UK has to be infected. And what do you think happens if we do nothing? We'll get over it, carry on, as we always have and will continue to do so.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 12, 2020 14:31:30 GMT
And what do you think happens if we do nothing? We'll get over it, carry on, as we always have and will continue to do so. I'm guessing nobody you care about has underlying health issues and would therefore be at risk of getting severely ill if they contracted it?
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Post by baggins on Mar 12, 2020 14:33:45 GMT
We'll get over it, carry on, as we always have and will continue to do so. I'm guessing nobody you care about has underlying health issues and would therefore be at risk of getting severely ill if they contracted it? No. Not that I know of. But that doesn't mean I don't care.
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Post by station on Mar 12, 2020 14:34:53 GMT
Sort of connected: The Who have cancelled their UK tour because of the C19 situation, we have tickets for the Teenage Cancer Trust gig and the Royal Albert Hall London, just had to cancel the hotel.
I think we are about to see a crap few months ahead of us.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 12, 2020 14:36:17 GMT
I'm guessing nobody you care about has underlying health issues and would therefore be at risk of getting severely ill if they contracted it? No. Not that I know of. But that doesn't mean I don't care. I'm sure you care, but the old "we'll get over it" line does kind of make it seem like you don't?
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Post by Blueside on Mar 12, 2020 14:39:43 GMT
And what do you think happens if we do nothing? We'll get over it, carry on, as we always have and will continue to do so. The problem with this is that recent modelling estimated that under a do nothing scenario in the UK there could be up to 1 in 5 people infected with it at any one time. So in a population of say 50,000,000 that is 1M people. It is further estimated that up to 100,000 (10%) of these could be hospitalized or could need ITU care which would include clinical oxygen. This country does not have that resource. So, to say that we we'll just carry on isn't quite true. There currently seems to be a worryingly wide misunderstanding or confusion between the actual risk to an individual once infected (i.e. the severity of symptoms) compared to how infectious the virus is and therefore how fast it can spread: that is what makes this pandemic a serious issue. EDIT SEE CORRECTIONS LATER Note that the death rate of 897 in 12,000 cases in Italy is 7.5 % which would make that 10% estimate seem perilous, however the death rate in the UK at this earlier stage is currently around 2%.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 14:53:49 GMT
We'll get over it, carry on, as we always have and will continue to do so. The problem with this is that recent modelling estimated that under a do nothing scenario in the UK there could be up to 1 in 5 people infected with it at any one time. So in a population of say 50,000,000 that is 1M people. It is further estimated that up to 100,000 (10%) of these could be hospitalized or could need ITU care which would include clinical oxygen. This country does not have that resource. So, to say that we we'll just carry on isn't quite true. There currently seems to be a worryingly wide misunderstanding or confusion between the actual risk to an individual once infected (i.e. the severity of symptoms) compared to how infectious the virus is and therefore how fast it can spread: that is what makes this pandemic a serious issue. Note that the death rate of 897 in 12,000 cases in Italy is 7.5 % which would make that 10% estimate seem perilous, however the death rate in the UK at this earlier stage is currently around 2%. Maths sir. 1 in 5 is 20%. 20% of 50,000,000=10,000,000 not 1M. And our population is 64M plus
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Post by Gassy on Mar 12, 2020 14:54:39 GMT
No. Not that I know of. But that doesn't mean I don't care. I'm sure you care, but the old "we'll get over it" line does kind of make it seem like you don't? "the figures are meaningless", "it only effects those in ill health, or aged", "more die of flu than this, it's gotten ridiculous" and "can you put a figure against that?" But of course, "that doesn't mean I don't care" Sounds really empathetic of someone who's opinion is clearly well informed on the matter.
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Post by makecoalyourgoal on Mar 12, 2020 14:55:00 GMT
How ironic, just when BG and the team look like it has all clicked, after months of poor performances, nobody is allowed to watch!
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Post by baggins on Mar 12, 2020 15:06:26 GMT
I'm sure you care, but the old "we'll get over it" line does kind of make it seem like you don't? "the figures are meaningless", "it only effects those in ill health, or aged", "more die of flu than this, it's gotten ridiculous" and "can you put a figure against that?" But of course, "that doesn't mean I don't care" Sounds really empathetic of someone who's opinion is clearly well informed on the matter. You can quote me all you like, but nothing of what I've said shows I don't care. And opinions are formed on many things. But you carry on.
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