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Post by bluebiro on Mar 14, 2020 9:18:11 GMT
Turning it the other way. Why dont the club set up a hardship fund for their loyal supporters who have stuck by them who soon may be out of a job. As I say some thing are more important then a football club
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Post by gas2 on Mar 14, 2020 9:49:01 GMT
BBC just talking to the chairman of tranmere rovers he said the cost of losing today's game is about 35 k plus
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 14, 2020 9:54:35 GMT
BBC just talking to the chairman of tranmere rovers he said the cost of losing today's game is about 35 k plus It will be even more if they get relegated coz their winning run has been interrupted. |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 14, 2020 10:17:22 GMT
Thanks to those with suggestions, I really do appreciate it! I do find the level of amount of negativity rather disappointing. I think what people are failing to understand is that I'm not just saying let's donate all my cash to billionaires, I'm trying to see how fans can help save our club. I've not said 'this is what we're doing' I've asked for people's ideas - just imagine if every person who refused actually came up with an idea instead?
Ultimately as someone said buying season tickets are the priority, we have an opportunity here to work with the club to improve engagement and help the club get through to next season/the summer. For those that don't want to help, that's not a problem, your feedback is always appreciated as it gives a general feeling of how the fanbase feel. However, I do ask anyone and everyone to try come up with an idea what we can do, because there is a very high possibility the club won't receive ticket income until August at the earliest. No idea is a bad idea.
Ideas so far:
- Tickets for postponed games: The idea here is you can pay the club a 'donation fee' towards each home game coming up. So in theory, next game would be Rochdale. The idea would be that you contribute X amount (minimum £10) towards a ticket. When the fixture is rearranged you only pay the remaining difference. If it's not replayed, you'll have a voucher issued to you for a discount on the next home game (must be used in 1 year) or something like that. Doing this would also give you discounts in store to encourage spending.
- Virtual 50/50 draw
- Development games at the Mem (So Tom was telling me that staff at the club has been told to work from home and only come in once a week during this time, this might not be allowed however I definitely think it's a great idea)
- Player sponsorship? So we already have a fans forum sponsorship, perhaps we could do another whip around, but instead of the forum, we can pick charities such as food banks or charities already associated with the club that will now miss out because of gap in match days
- Donations: If people would just like to donate, it's worth having the option. This would come with terms though, such as it's expected to have this money tracked and shown specifically what it is used for (EG, players wages, staff wages etc).
- Donations 2.0: Either the same as above or slightly different, but for each £1 gifted to the club the owners must match the 'gift'. We'd need proof again of this.
- Club to do more promotions to encourage spending during this time. As an example, I see no reason why they shouldn't start selling personalised birthday/easter cards from players or something. They must be hand written and you could choose which player(s) write/sign them. A type of black Friday sale could be worth considering.
- Webinars/online talks: Not sure how this could work/if there would be any interest there. But topics could be worth doing, however I'm not sure if anyone would pay. Maybe something from Gorringe himself, a topic on "How do maximise investment in football" or perhaps "An introduction to the commercial footballing world" - Personally I know I'd be interested in this and it could be very interesting for fans to find out more or young fans could learn a bit more about sports business etc.
- Hospitality packages/meals still to happen? Not sure if this would be allowed, especially if the government stops gatherings. But in theory the club could still hold meals/catering?
Feedback is very welcome please guys, any more ideas then please let me know!
Cheers,
Jack
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Post by lastminutewinner on Mar 14, 2020 10:58:13 GMT
I don't think Waels pride would extend to accepting charity from us mere fans
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Post by mftc on Mar 14, 2020 11:03:22 GMT
Thanks to those with suggestions, I really do appreciate it! I do find the level of amount of negativity rather disappointing. I think what people are failing to understand is that I'm not just saying let's donate all my cash to billionaires, I'm trying to see how fans can help save our club. I've not said 'this is what we're doing' I've asked for people's ideas - just imagine if every person who refused actually came up with an idea instead? Ultimately as someone said buying season tickets are the priority, we have an opportunity here to work with the club to improve engagement and help the club get through to next season/the summer. For those that don't want to help, that's not a problem, your feedback is always appreciated as it gives a general feeling of how the fanbase feel. However, I do ask anyone and everyone to try come up with an idea what we can do, because there is a very high possibility the club won't receive ticket income until August at the earliest. No idea is a bad idea. Ideas so far: - Tickets for postponed games: The idea here is you can pay the club a 'donation fee' towards each home game coming up. So in theory, next game would be Rochdale. The idea would be that you contribute X amount (minimum £10) towards a ticket. When the fixture is rearranged you only pay the remaining difference. If it's not replayed, you'll have a voucher issued to you for a discount on the next home game (must be used in 1 year) or something like that. Doing this would also give you discounts in store to encourage spending. - Virtual 50/50 draw - Development games at the Mem (So Tom was telling me that staff at the club has been told to work from home and only come in once a week during this time, this might not be allowed however I definitely think it's a great idea) - Player sponsorship? So we already have a fans forum sponsorship, perhaps we could do another whip around, but instead of the forum, we can pick charities such as food banks or charities already associated with the club that will now miss out because of gap in match days - Donations: If people would just like to donate, it's worth having the option. This would come with terms though, such as it's expected to have this money tracked and shown specifically what it is used for (EG, players wages, staff wages etc). - Donations 2.0: Either the same as above or slightly different, but for each £1 gifted to the club the owners must match the 'gift'. We'd need proof again of this. - Club to do more promotions to encourage spending during this time. As an example, I see no reason why they shouldn't start selling personalised birthday/easter cards from players or something. They must be hand written and you could choose which player(s) write/sign them. A type of black Friday sale could be worth considering. - Webinars/online talks: Not sure how this could work/if there would be any interest there. But topics could be worth doing, however I'm not sure if anyone would pay. Maybe something from Gorringe himself, a topic on "How do maximise investment in football" or perhaps "An introduction to the commercial footballing world" - Personally I know I'd be interested in this and it could be very interesting for fans to find out more or young fans could learn a bit more about sports business etc. - Hospitality packages/meals still to happen? Not sure if this would be allowed, especially if the government stops gatherings. But in theory the club could still hold meals/catering? Feedback is very welcome please guys, any more ideas then please let me know! Cheers, Jack The Helpline and ShareScheme are already in existence as a way of donating to the club with a chance of getting something back. These should be heavily promoted now. Also can the FC and SC try and sort out their differences. After all supporting the FC is what the SC is there for. Must be 50k in the SC kitty held back for ground improvements, but this situation is unprecedented post WW2. As the "borrowed" money by the ex treasurer has been paid back to the SC can this not be paid to the FC in return for Sharescheme shares? When the Share scheme started, I seem to remember £3m worth of shares being ringfenced in perpuity. As the SC has purchased £1.2m can the SC "sell" their shares to individuals (with admin fee and perhaps small increase in share price) and from the income gained, buy additional shares at the previously agreed share scheme price, therefore keeping the same ratio of percentage share ownership and creating more revenue for the FC. On the lines of player sponsorship can individuals or companies pay down payments for the players they wish to sponsor next season? Obviously they get first dibs, if a player leaves. |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 14, 2020 11:10:33 GMT
Thanks to those with suggestions, I really do appreciate it! I do find the level of amount of negativity rather disappointing. I think what people are failing to understand is that I'm not just saying let's donate all my cash to billionaires, I'm trying to see how fans can help save our club. I've not said 'this is what we're doing' I've asked for people's ideas - just imagine if every person who refused actually came up with an idea instead? Ultimately as someone said buying season tickets are the priority, we have an opportunity here to work with the club to improve engagement and help the club get through to next season/the summer. For those that don't want to help, that's not a problem, your feedback is always appreciated as it gives a general feeling of how the fanbase feel. However, I do ask anyone and everyone to try come up with an idea what we can do, because there is a very high possibility the club won't receive ticket income until August at the earliest. No idea is a bad idea. Ideas so far: - Tickets for postponed games: The idea here is you can pay the club a 'donation fee' towards each home game coming up. So in theory, next game would be Rochdale. The idea would be that you contribute X amount (minimum £10) towards a ticket. When the fixture is rearranged you only pay the remaining difference. If it's not replayed, you'll have a voucher issued to you for a discount on the next home game (must be used in 1 year) or something like that. Doing this would also give you discounts in store to encourage spending. - Virtual 50/50 draw - Development games at the Mem (So Tom was telling me that staff at the club has been told to work from home and only come in once a week during this time, this might not be allowed however I definitely think it's a great idea) - Player sponsorship? So we already have a fans forum sponsorship, perhaps we could do another whip around, but instead of the forum, we can pick charities such as food banks or charities already associated with the club that will now miss out because of gap in match days - Donations: If people would just like to donate, it's worth having the option. This would come with terms though, such as it's expected to have this money tracked and shown specifically what it is used for (EG, players wages, staff wages etc). - Donations 2.0: Either the same as above or slightly different, but for each £1 gifted to the club the owners must match the 'gift'. We'd need proof again of this. - Club to do more promotions to encourage spending during this time. As an example, I see no reason why they shouldn't start selling personalised birthday/easter cards from players or something. They must be hand written and you could choose which player(s) write/sign them. A type of black Friday sale could be worth considering. - Webinars/online talks: Not sure how this could work/if there would be any interest there. But topics could be worth doing, however I'm not sure if anyone would pay. Maybe something from Gorringe himself, a topic on "How do maximise investment in football" or perhaps "An introduction to the commercial footballing world" - Personally I know I'd be interested in this and it could be very interesting for fans to find out more or young fans could learn a bit more about sports business etc. - Hospitality packages/meals still to happen? Not sure if this would be allowed, especially if the government stops gatherings. But in theory the club could still hold meals/catering? Feedback is very welcome please guys, any more ideas then please let me know! Cheers, Jack The Helpline and ShareScheme are already in existence as a way of donating to the club with a chance of getting something back. These should be heavily promoted now. Also can the FC and SC try and sort out their differences. After all supporting the FC is what the SC is there for. Must be 50k in the SC kitty held back for ground improvements, but this situation is unprecedented post WW2. As the "borrowed" money by the ex treasurer has been paid back to the SC can this not be paid to the FC in return for Sharescheme shares? When the Share scheme started, I seem to remember £3m worth of shares being ringfenced in perpuity. As the SC has purchased £1.2m can the SC "sell" their shares to individuals (with admin fee and perhaps small increase in share price) and from the income gained, buy additional shares at the previously agreed share scheme price, therefore keeping the same ratio of percentage share ownership and creating more revenue for the FC. On the lines of player sponsorship can individuals or companies pay down payments for the players they wish to sponsor next season? Obviously they get first dibs, if a player leaves. Problem is that is up to the SC to promote themselves. If someone from the SC wants to get in touch, then I'm more than happy to have a discussion. However, I'm not sure I've heard anything from them other than they're taking legal action against the club. The way I'm seeing this is as a one off help to the club in this very strange situation that we find ourselves within. The Peterborough owner was on radio and has now said that he thinks the average L1 club will need a £400k loan this season just to see them through. RE player sponsorship, Jon the Stripe may be in a better position to answer that question. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 14, 2020 11:15:45 GMT
Thanks to those with suggestions, I really do appreciate it! I do find the level of amount of negativity rather disappointing. I think what people are failing to understand is that I'm not just saying let's donate all my cash to billionaires, I'm trying to see how fans can help save our club. I've not said 'this is what we're doing' I've asked for people's ideas - just imagine if every person who refused actually came up with an idea instead? Ultimately as someone said buying season tickets are the priority, we have an opportunity here to work with the club to improve engagement and help the club get through to next season/the summer. For those that don't want to help, that's not a problem, your feedback is always appreciated as it gives a general feeling of how the fanbase feel. However, I do ask anyone and everyone to try come up with an idea what we can do, because there is a very high possibility the club won't receive ticket income until August at the earliest. No idea is a bad idea. Ideas so far: - Tickets for postponed games: The idea here is you can pay the club a 'donation fee' towards each home game coming up. So in theory, next game would be Rochdale. The idea would be that you contribute X amount (minimum £10) towards a ticket. When the fixture is rearranged you only pay the remaining difference. If it's not replayed, you'll have a voucher issued to you for a discount on the next home game (must be used in 1 year) or something like that. Doing this would also give you discounts in store to encourage spending. - Virtual 50/50 draw - Development games at the Mem (So Tom was telling me that staff at the club has been told to work from home and only come in once a week during this time, this might not be allowed however I definitely think it's a great idea) - Player sponsorship? So we already have a fans forum sponsorship, perhaps we could do another whip around, but instead of the forum, we can pick charities such as food banks or charities already associated with the club that will now miss out because of gap in match days - Donations: If people would just like to donate, it's worth having the option. This would come with terms though, such as it's expected to have this money tracked and shown specifically what it is used for (EG, players wages, staff wages etc). - Donations 2.0: Either the same as above or slightly different, but for each £1 gifted to the club the owners must match the 'gift'. We'd need proof again of this. - Club to do more promotions to encourage spending during this time. As an example, I see no reason why they shouldn't start selling personalised birthday/easter cards from players or something. They must be hand written and you could choose which player(s) write/sign them. A type of black Friday sale could be worth considering. - Webinars/online talks: Not sure how this could work/if there would be any interest there. But topics could be worth doing, however I'm not sure if anyone would pay. Maybe something from Gorringe himself, a topic on "How do maximise investment in football" or perhaps "An introduction to the commercial footballing world" - Personally I know I'd be interested in this and it could be very interesting for fans to find out more or young fans could learn a bit more about sports business etc. - Hospitality packages/meals still to happen? Not sure if this would be allowed, especially if the government stops gatherings. But in theory the club could still hold meals/catering? Feedback is very welcome please guys, any more ideas then please let me know! Cheers, Jack The Helpline and ShareScheme are already in existence as a way of donating to the club with a chance of getting something back. These should be heavily promoted now. Also can the FC and SC try and sort out their differences. After all supporting the FC is what the SC is there for. Must be 50k in the SC kitty held back for ground improvements, but this situation is unprecedented post WW2. As the "borrowed" money by the ex treasurer has been paid back to the SC can this not be paid to the FC in return for Sharescheme shares? When the Share scheme started, I seem to remember £3m worth of shares being ringfenced in perpuity. As the SC has purchased £1.2m can the SC "sell" their shares to individuals (with admin fee and perhaps small increase in share price) and from the income gained, buy additional shares at the previously agreed share scheme price, therefore keeping the same ratio of percentage share ownership and creating more revenue for the FC. On the lines of player sponsorship can individuals or companies pay down payments for the players they wish to sponsor next season? Obviously they get first dibs, if a player leaves. Given the recent breakdown in the relationship between the BoD and the SC do you seriously think they are going to start handing them over more money? |
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Post by mftc on Mar 14, 2020 11:18:52 GMT
Could the staff (players and non playing) accept a 5% cut to their basic salary in exchange for a bonus scheme paid wef 30 June, ie 2% if the club avoid relegation, 2% if 3000 season tickets sold and 1% if 100 match day bookings are made between June and July etc. Would help reduce cashflow problems a bit for a while.
Maybe a voluntary donation from players who have been injured but still paid Matthews etc.- many of us would just get SSP rather than full basic wage.
Players to join Share scheme like they did under Graydon.
Benefit match at the end of the season - Trolls Wembley Winners v DC's Play Off Kings.
More charity games ie how about Match of the Day v Quests football league show at the Mem? All ticket profits to say the Wallace and Grommit appeal but the club gets food and beer sales and get Shearer, Wright, Linekar and Ollie etc to sign some Gas merchandise.
Club to send shirts to the big prem clubs and get their players to autograph and could be used for on line bids ie like Bid on the Side by the SC.
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Post by mftc on Mar 14, 2020 11:22:10 GMT
The Helpline and ShareScheme are already in existence as a way of donating to the club with a chance of getting something back. These should be heavily promoted now. Also can the FC and SC try and sort out their differences. After all supporting the FC is what the SC is there for. Must be 50k in the SC kitty held back for ground improvements, but this situation is unprecedented post WW2. As the "borrowed" money by the ex treasurer has been paid back to the SC can this not be paid to the FC in return for Sharescheme shares? When the Share scheme started, I seem to remember £3m worth of shares being ringfenced in perpuity. As the SC has purchased £1.2m can the SC "sell" their shares to individuals (with admin fee and perhaps small increase in share price) and from the income gained, buy additional shares at the previously agreed share scheme price, therefore keeping the same ratio of percentage share ownership and creating more revenue for the FC. On the lines of player sponsorship can individuals or companies pay down payments for the players they wish to sponsor next season? Obviously they get first dibs, if a player leaves. Given the recent breakdown in the relationship between the BoD and the SC do you seriously think they are going to start handing them over more money? The enemy of my enemy is my friend! Administration, liquidation etc are surely worse than financially supporting someone you do not believe in, if the club dies if you don't? |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 14, 2020 11:23:04 GMT
Could the staff (players and non playing) accept a 5% cut to their basic salary in exchange for a bonus scheme paid wef 30 June, ie 2% if the club avoid relegation, 2% if 3000 season tickets sold and 1% if 100 match day bookings are made between June and July etc. Would help reduce cashflow problems a bit for a while. Maybe a voluntary donation from players who have been injured but still paid Matthews etc.- many of us would just get SSP rather than full basic wage. Players to join Share scheme like they did under Graydon. Benefit match at the end of the season - Trolls Wembley Winners v DC's Play Off Kings. More charity games ie how about Match of the Day v Quests football league show at the Mem? All ticket profits to say the Wallace and Grommit appeal but the club gets food and beer sales and get Shearer, Wright, Linekar and Ollie etc to sign some Gas merchandise. Club to send shirts to the big prem clubs and get their players to autograph and could be used for on line bids ie like Bid on the Side by the SC. Superb, thank you mtfc. I'm not sure about non-playing staff accepting a cut for the salary, nor would I personally want to suggest it. I especially like the idea of players doing something. Perhaps senior players could take a X cut to their wages which allows the club to put a fund towards ST holders who lose jobs over this. If not, it can go to charity. Love the ideas though, I'll put them all towards Tom on Monday - keep them coming and thanks again |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 14, 2020 11:29:20 GMT
HI All, So there were a couple of people on here who before talked about a perhaps a donation scheme to the club. EG, for each home game missed, we can donate a fee to the club to help out (via GoFundMe or something). We can try to mix this in with other ideas, such as those donating can receive discounts on orders online or something. I've messaged Tom Gorringe the idea and he'd like to set up a meeting with myself, Tom & Martyn Starnes next week. If you have any other ideas, feel free to put them here. If you'd like to join the meeting, PM me and we will sort out the details. Cheers, Jack There are several voluntary ways to help the club financially; Fans can join the Share scheme, Helpline, there is the Bid on the Side feature, visit the club shop in person, or buy on line, purchase old programmes via the SC or Jamie's website etc Or the fans forum supporters club ! |
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Post by peterhooper57 on Mar 14, 2020 11:30:38 GMT
Turning it the other way. Why dont the club set up a hardship fund for their loyal supporters who have stuck by them who soon may be out of a job. As I say some thing are more important then a football club Totally agree. "apart from buying the club, what has Waq ever done for us ?" Waq owns a bank, runs the club as he like, treats the loyal supporters with disdain, he can afford to finance the club. So let him carry on. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 14, 2020 11:38:13 GMT
Turning it the other way. Why dont the club set up a hardship fund for their loyal supporters who have stuck by them who soon may be out of a job. As I say some thing are more important then a football club Totally agree. "apart from buying the club, what has Waq ever done for us ?" Waq owns a bank, runs the club as he like, treats the loyal supporters with disdain, he can afford to finance the club. So let him carry on. Exactly as I see it. I bet the owners wish they had treated us as passionate supporters instead of customers/punters |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:11:57 GMT
And how is it saving money? Because you sack him on his performance which is sh** and don’t pay him anything surely there is a probation clause in the contract Meanwhile down on planet earth.......... |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 14, 2020 12:16:51 GMT
When I was talking to a club director last summer I was told debts had reached 15 million. With games being postponed and no definite time when they will be played the club needs all the income it can get now. One answer is get your season ticket for next year as soon as they go on sale. For those moaners who said after the recent bad run they wouldn't renew and those that didn't renew last year, remember we were non league five years ago playing the likes of Woking and Alfreton, I would of given my right arm then to watch league games against Sunderland and Ipswich. Don't want to go back to watching C**p like Yeovil again, get behind the club now and help secure our future, many clubs at this level will really struggle now that their income has been reduced even further . We have wealthy owners and they have more than enough to cover the losses. Time they stood tall for us |
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Post by gasheadontour on Mar 14, 2020 12:18:55 GMT
How is the season going to be completed when the UK will be in lock-down for many months with no matches being played and contracts due to expire on June 30th?
Sorry I missed the government announcement that the country will be in lockdown for “many months”. Can you provide a link? if we are just guessing I will go for a 2-3 week lockdown being applied which will overlap the current Prem/EFL suspension meaning we’ll be back underway and able to finish the current season in June, maybe July at worst. The Euros will be postponed for a year and the following domestic season will be underway by September, I'm not sure why contracts would come in to it. It would be a throwback to the old days where players move during a season. Only a small percentage will be out of contract on 1st June and they can continue to play on a non contract basis or sign a very short contract extension before making any long term decisions or moves in what could be a slightly later close season.
The government advice is that the peak for the virus is expected in 12 to 16 weeks so there are not going to be matches before then or for months after the peak. The gov't want to flatten the peak which means it will go on for longer. In addition, clubs near relegation zones, those wanting to retain Champions League places etc. are going to want the season void, clubs and the PFA won't want to risk their players, players are not going to be match fit etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:20:57 GMT
Could the staff (players and non playing) accept a 5% cut to their basic salary in exchange for a bonus scheme paid wef 30 June, ie 2% if the club avoid relegation, 2% if 3000 season tickets sold and 1% if 100 match day bookings are made between June and July etc. Would help reduce cashflow problems a bit for a while. Maybe a voluntary donation from players who have been injured but still paid Matthews etc.- many of us would just get SSP rather than full basic wage. Players to join Share scheme like they did under Graydon. Benefit match at the end of the season - Trolls Wembley Winners v DC's Play Off Kings. More charity games ie how about Match of the Day v Quests football league show at the Mem? All ticket profits to say the Wallace and Grommit appeal but the club gets food and beer sales and get Shearer, Wright, Linekar and Ollie etc to sign some Gas merchandise. Club to send shirts to the big prem clubs and get their players to autograph and could be used for on line bids ie like Bid on the Side by the SC. We’re not talking millionaires. They have short working lives where they are on better than average salaries and have mortgages to pay like everyone else. I can’t imagine a single player would even take more than one second to consider that proposal. Some will have contracts with just a few months to run at which point the club can drop them like a stone but in the meantime they are politely asked to give up some of their wages. |
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Post by axegas on Mar 14, 2020 12:24:52 GMT
Would it be possible to donate the food for the Ipswich game to the North Bristol food bank if it hasn’t already been done? I presume food and drink got purchased before the game got postponed?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:27:47 GMT
Sorry I missed the government announcement that the country will be in lockdown for “many months”. Can you provide a link? if we are just guessing I will go for a 2-3 week lockdown being applied which will overlap the current Prem/EFL suspension meaning we’ll be back underway and able to finish the current season in June, maybe July at worst. The Euros will be postponed for a year and the following domestic season will be underway by September, I'm not sure why contracts would come in to it. It would be a throwback to the old days where players move during a season. Only a small percentage will be out of contract on 1st June and they can continue to play on a non contract basis or sign a very short contract extension before making any long term decisions or moves in what could be a slightly later close season.
The government advice is that the peak for the virus is expected in 12 to 16 weeks so there are not going to be matches before then or for months after the peak. The gov't want to flatten the peak which means it will go on for longer. In addition, clubs near relegation zones, those wanting to retain Champions League places etc. are going to want the season void, clubs and the PFA won't want to risk their players, players are not going to be match fit etc.
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