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Post by toddy1953 on Mar 14, 2020 18:21:41 GMT
Some nice sentiments here, but if I had some spare pennies, it would go to family & friends in need. The FA, EFL, PFA & PL, TV companies, should be the ones to address the issue. I would suggest most of us have gone through financial difficulties at some point, and from my experience there has been little help from Banks, BS or the State for that matter. I’ve been lucky to have the ability to get my head down & work through it. There are a lot of low paid workers that will lose their jobs over this, in the next few months or have to take pay cuts. There will be some able to get their heads down & get through it too - but a lot won’t, some will be Rovers fans. That’s just financially, there is the health issue too. However, to put things into perspective, we only have 4 home games left this season, if it costs us £50k per game, in lost income, then that’s £200k less income, than what was expected last week. Now I realise that some clubs are run so badly that £200k could well be the difference between survival or not, but in our case, to help through the shortfall, some sort of player wage sacrifice could be adopted to include the first team, coaches & manager. Along with that, we have an employed CEO, who despite not knowing much of what’s going on, I’m sure he draws a decent salary, so some reduction should happen there. I’m also sure that the authorities will allow some space on the FFP rules, so the owner could ‘top up’ if so inclined. No apologies for the negativity, it’s how I feel, regarding the way the club from top to bottom ,is being run.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 18:36:44 GMT
Yeah. If the club had engaged more with the fans in recent years instead of treating us as simply customers with no right to know what is going on with our club they may have a chance of getting financial support in times of crisis. Doesn’t help them now but they could bear it in mind if there is another such virus or other crisis in the future. btw I’ve put thousands into the club over the years through season tickets, pay on the day, use of their bar, shop purchases and food. I won’t be bullied into a guilt trip with comments like “your attitude could see our club die”. Bullied? Get a grip, eric. I'm asking for suggestions, rather than slating the club. Is that so much to ask for? We've all invested time and money into BRFC, it's that money that keeps the club going. Going forward, the club might now get any income from fans for a while so I'm trying to suggest ideas in which we can help. If you don't want to help that's fine, say so and move on. But please then take the negativity elsewhere. Also, if you're going to quote me, learn to quote people correctly. I didn't say "your" attitude, I said "that" attitude. You pretended if you were Hani reading the forum, and if Hani had that attitude, the club would die. Do you disagree with that? Next time read the post properly before claiming the poor little bullied boy. Thank you. Haha. Don’t worry it would take a lot more than that to make me feel bullied! I basically said I don’t want to put in more than the thousands I’ve already put in over the years and the owners shouldn’t expect too much help from the fans given the contempt in which they hold the fanbase . Those like myself won’t be the ones to blame if the club does die I've probably been one of the most positive and optimistic posters in the past but I’ve gradually been worn down by the attitude of our owners and their failure to deliver. If I choose to post something negative on this open forum I will do so thank you very much. If you are going to be speaking with someone with any weight at the club on this matter feel free to mention not all fans are willing to help and such apathy is the result of our board (all two of them).
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 14, 2020 19:13:57 GMT
I know it may be simplistic but even if 5000 of us donated £10 per week (2 pints of Stella) then that we would raise £200k in a month ,even my good lady would do that and she's only just become a gashead. Thoughts? And where would the money be going ? I would donate if I could see how it’s spent and on what etc. i would stop the players wages they’ve been paid the last 3 months for doing f all so why should they be payed for a few more doing exactly the same Let them donate to the club they have been paid well by the fans,why should the fans on a minimal wage stump up the cash
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 14, 2020 19:14:16 GMT
Some nice sentiments here, but if I had some spare pennies, it would go to family & friends in need. The FA, EFL, PFA & PL, TV companies, should be the ones to address the issue. I would suggest most of us have gone through financial difficulties at some point, and from my experience there has been little help from Banks, BS or the State for that matter. I’ve been lucky to have the ability to get my head down & work through it. There are a lot of low paid workers that will lose their jobs over this, in the next few months or have to take pay cuts. There will be some able to get their heads down & get through it too - but a lot won’t, some will be Rovers fans. That’s just financially, there is the health issue too. However, to put things into perspective, we only have 4 home games left this season, if it costs us £50k per game, in lost income, then that’s £200k less income, than what was expected last week. Now I realise that some clubs are run so badly that £200k could well be the difference between survival or not, but in our case, to help through the shortfall, some sort of player wage sacrifice could be adopted to include the first team, coaches & manager. Along with that, we have an employed CEO, who despite not knowing much of what’s going on, I’m sure he draws a decent salary, so some reduction should happen there. I’m also sure that the authorities will allow some space on the FFP rules, so the owner could ‘top up’ if so inclined. No apologies for the negativity, it’s how I feel, regarding the way the club from top to bottom ,is being run. Assuming the games are eventually played it's not even a loss of £200K, it's just a few months delay in receiving that sum, are TG/MS really suggesting the ALQ's, who are apparently worth upwards of £1B, really need to get out the begging bowl for such a small sum? I'm sensing fans are being taken for a ride, if they are that desperate then why not ask the SC to lend them the £150K+ they've got stored away for a rainy day after they sold the Glos Rd shop?
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 14, 2020 19:21:17 GMT
Some nice sentiments here, but if I had some spare pennies, it would go to family & friends in need. The FA, EFL, PFA & PL, TV companies, should be the ones to address the issue. I would suggest most of us have gone through financial difficulties at some point, and from my experience there has been little help from Banks, BS or the State for that matter. I’ve been lucky to have the ability to get my head down & work through it. There are a lot of low paid workers that will lose their jobs over this, in the next few months or have to take pay cuts. There will be some able to get their heads down & get through it too - but a lot won’t, some will be Rovers fans. That’s just financially, there is the health issue too. However, to put things into perspective, we only have 4 home games left this season, if it costs us £50k per game, in lost income, then that’s £200k less income, than what was expected last week. Now I realise that some clubs are run so badly that £200k could well be the difference between survival or not, but in our case, to help through the shortfall, some sort of player wage sacrifice could be adopted to include the first team, coaches & manager. Along with that, we have an employed CEO, who despite not knowing much of what’s going on, I’m sure he draws a decent salary, so some reduction should happen there. I’m also sure that the authorities will allow some space on the FFP rules, so the owner could ‘top up’ if so inclined. No apologies for the negativity, it’s how I feel, regarding the way the club from top to bottom ,is being run. Assuming the games are eventually played it's not even a loss of £200K, it's just a few months delay in receiving that sum, are TG/MS really suggesting the ALQ's, who are apparently worth upwards of £1B, really need to get out the begging bowl for such a small sum? I'm sensing fans are being taken for a ride, if they are that desperate then why not ask the SC to lend them the £150K+ they've got stored away for a rainy day after they sold the Glos Rd shop? here here f mugs
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Post by bluey on Mar 14, 2020 19:45:51 GMT
A monthly direct debit similar to the 50/50 run like the postcode lottery would be a good idea. Also I love the open day but as a one off as raising funds why not charge £1 entrance fee? Other clubs have paid tours of their stadium I know ours isn't great but it could be a way of raising money especially if there were players available to speak to and have photos with. Limit the number per tour so that the fans feel they get a personal experience.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Mar 14, 2020 19:58:24 GMT
And where would the money be going ? I would donate if I could see how it’s spent and on what etc. i would stop the players wages they’ve been paid the last 3 months for doing f all so why should they be payed for a few more doing exactly the same Let them donate to the club they have been paid well by the fans,why should the fans on a minimal wage stump up the cash You can't just not pay the players, they have contracts.
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 14, 2020 20:06:59 GMT
We should be able to absorb the lack of revenue with no problem this season. It's not like 2000 pay on the day punters will make.much difference to our defecit. The championship is where teams should worry most.have a look across the river and the bristol sport model .lot of money going out not much will be coming in. Rosey cheeks has too pay a lot of sports and staff to do nothing. Sky not paying and potential cancellations of other events.his company in freefall on The ftse so his dividends he uses to pay the debt every year may not be so generous.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Mar 14, 2020 20:13:26 GMT
We should be able to absorb the lack of revenue with no problem this season. It's not like 2000 pay on the day punters will make.much difference to our defecit. The championship is where teams should worry most.have a look across the river and the bristol sport model .lot of money going out not much will be coming in. Rosey cheeks has too pay a lot of sports and staff to do nothing. Sky not paying and potential cancellations of other events.his company in freefall on The ftse so his dividends he uses to pay the debt every year may not be so generous. Don't think they have too much to worry about, if there's one team who could easily ride this storm out, its them. I'm more worried about ourselves, if there's one team who couldn't ride it out, its us. Were losing what £65K P/W already, that's with gates every other week of 7,000. Now its gates of 0.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 14, 2020 20:16:45 GMT
A monthly direct debit similar to the 50/50 run like the postcode lottery would be a good idea. Also I love the open day but as a one off as raising funds why not charge £1 entrance fee? Other clubs have paid tours of their stadium I know ours isn't great but it could be a way of raising money especially if there were players available to speak to and have photos with. Limit the number per tour so that the fans feel they get a personal experience. Just think about what you are suggesting for a minute.
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 14, 2020 20:34:39 GMT
i would stop the players wages they’ve been paid the last 3 months for doing f all so why should they be payed for a few more doing exactly the same Let them donate to the club they have been paid well by the fans,why should the fans on a minimal wage stump up the cash You can't just not pay the players, they have contracts. shame init a lot more effort would’ve been put in otherwise
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Post by Gassy on Mar 14, 2020 20:35:54 GMT
Bullied? Get a grip, eric. I'm asking for suggestions, rather than slating the club. Is that so much to ask for? We've all invested time and money into BRFC, it's that money that keeps the club going. Going forward, the club might now get any income from fans for a while so I'm trying to suggest ideas in which we can help. If you don't want to help that's fine, say so and move on. But please then take the negativity elsewhere. Also, if you're going to quote me, learn to quote people correctly. I didn't say "your" attitude, I said "that" attitude. You pretended if you were Hani reading the forum, and if Hani had that attitude, the club would die. Do you disagree with that? Next time read the post properly before claiming the poor little bullied boy. Thank you. Haha. Don’t worry it would take a lot more than that to make me feel bullied! I basically said I don’t want to put in more than the thousands I’ve already put in over the years and the owners shouldn’t expect too much help from the fans given the contempt in which they hold the fanbase . Those like myself won’t be the ones to blame if the club does die I've probably been one of the most positive and optimistic posters in the past but I’ve gradually been worn down by the attitude of our owners and their failure to deliver. If I choose to post something negative on this open forum I will do so thank you very much. If you are going to be speaking with someone with any weight at the club on this matter feel free to mention not all fans are willing to help and such apathy is the result of our board (all two of them). You’re very argumentative, Eric. I’d suggest calming down. I’m trying to come up with ways to help the club, you don’t want part of it and that’s fine, but let’s not get so edgy here. Ok?
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 14, 2020 21:20:54 GMT
A monthly direct debit similar to the 50/50 run like the postcode lottery would be a good idea. Also I love the open day but as a one off as raising funds why not charge £1 entrance fee? Other clubs have paid tours of their stadium I know ours isn't great but it could be a way of raising money especially if there were players available to speak to and have photos with. Limit the number per tour so that the fans feel they get a personal experience. stadium tour😂😂😂😂😂f me I better put my pad on 😂😂😂😂🥜
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 21:24:03 GMT
If ever an industry deserved to collapse its the football industry. Almost every club has mountains of debt and players are payed vulgar amounts of money. The game is ruled by greedy TV companies which care not one jot for the average fan.
Now we all want rovers to survive but the whole circus is a bag of total sh**!
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 14, 2020 21:25:59 GMT
Haha. Don’t worry it would take a lot more than that to make me feel bullied! I basically said I don’t want to put in more than the thousands I’ve already put in over the years and the owners shouldn’t expect too much help from the fans given the contempt in which they hold the fanbase . Those like myself won’t be the ones to blame if the club does die I've probably been one of the most positive and optimistic posters in the past but I’ve gradually been worn down by the attitude of our owners and their failure to deliver. If I choose to post something negative on this open forum I will do so thank you very much. If you are going to be speaking with someone with any weight at the club on this matter feel free to mention not all fans are willing to help and such apathy is the result of our board (all two of them). You’re very argumentative, Eric. I’d suggest calming down. I’m trying to come up with ways to help the club, you don’t want part of it and that’s fine, but let’s not get so edgy here. Ok? gassy the owners have got millions they just don’t want to spend it so why the f do you expect supporters to cover their loss? They have been watering us about since they got here,and before you say they’ve been covering 3m a year losses I say it’s bollox and they are putting it against the mem until worthless then tata see you later
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Post by Gassy on Mar 14, 2020 21:35:58 GMT
You’re very argumentative, Eric. I’d suggest calming down. I’m trying to come up with ways to help the club, you don’t want part of it and that’s fine, but let’s not get so edgy here. Ok? gassy the owners have got millions they just don’t want to spend it so why the f do you expect supporters to cover their loss? They have been watering us about since they got here,and before you say they’ve been covering 3m a year losses I say it’s bollox and they are putting it against the mem until worthless then tata see you later Where have I ever expected supporters to cover their loss? I suggest you actually read my posts before using language like that with me.
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Post by station on Mar 14, 2020 22:04:00 GMT
On a more cynical note 'we' the joe public could have problems of our own if employers bend the rules and do not pay sick pay, even if written in your contract, and even more so, those based on statutory sick pay will have no chance of supporting a football club financially. Sorry playing devils advocate. - They've had my season ticket money. . I repeat what I said at the start of this thread - plain & simples!!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 15, 2020 7:14:26 GMT
gassy the owners have got millions they just don’t want to spend it so why the f do you expect supporters to cover their loss? They have been watering us about since they got here,and before you say they’ve been covering 3m a year losses I say it’s bollox and they are putting it against the mem until worthless then tata see you later Where have I ever expected supporters to cover their loss? I suggest you actually read my posts before using language like that with me. I admire what you are trying to do, but I think you should expect and accept some negativity and criticism. The owners have treated us like mugs and people are angry and frustrated. Good luck to you for having a go at helping, but I think you may find it more productive to ignore the stuff you dont agree with, rather than arguing.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2020 7:34:27 GMT
Where have I ever expected supporters to cover their loss? I suggest you actually read my posts before using language like that with me. I admire what you are trying to do, but I think you should expect and accept some negativity and criticism. The owners have treated us like mugs and people are angry and frustrated. Good luck to you for having a go at helping, but I think you may find it more productive to ignore the stuff you dont agree with, rather than arguing. Or just get TG/MS to confirm that Wael has informed them his family are unwilling to support the club financially until we can play again? Fans would probably buy into supporting Development Squad players etc if the club won't be paying them, not sure they will be willing to just help out the ALQ's interest payments and pay the likes of Bennett's inflated wages.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 8:18:51 GMT
If ever an industry deserved to collapse its the football industry. Almost every club has mountains of debt and players are payed vulgar amounts of money. The game is ruled by greedy TV companies which care not one jot for the average fan. Now we all want rovers to survive but the whole circus is a bag of total sh**! Amen. It's be the only way to remove the parasites that run our clubs for their own profit. Football would bounce back community ran. I think I may have a fever.
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