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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 23:01:04 GMT
He wasn’t the only unpaid director until the ALQs came in. And even then he hasn’t got onto the board through his own money or ability but through a 2 bit Jurassic organisation and even then he acted like he owned the shop most of the time. So let’s keep it real. Most of us drive to away games to watch the gas, a pay for the privilege of getting into the away ground. What’s your point? Just regarding the £10k that Masters put in. I can’t find any such donation. I can find a £5k donation in 2006 with a grant matching a similar figure but the grant hasn’t come from Ken. So where does the 10k figure come from? Good spot. Did the £5k come from Ken’s back pocket or the company of which he was a director along with several other directors? A very generous donation but a company linked to education would have good cause to invest in an educational scheme. A very interesting question
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 6, 2020 6:28:37 GMT
He wasn’t the only unpaid director until the ALQs came in. And even then he hasn’t got onto the board through his own money or ability but through a 2 bit Jurassic organisation and even then he acted like he owned the shop most of the time. So let’s keep it real. Most of us drive to away games to watch the gas, a pay for the privilege of getting into the away ground. What’s your point? Just regarding the £10k that Masters put in. I can’t find any such donation. I can find a £5k donation in 2006 with a grant matching a similar figure but the grant hasn’t come from Ken. So where does the 10k figure come from? Good spot. Did the £5k come from Ken’s back pocket or the company of which he was a director along with several other directors? A very generous donation but a company linked to education would have good cause to invest in an educational scheme. Which muddies the waters even more and makes one question even more whether there was any direct input from KM?
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Post by gasincider on Apr 6, 2020 19:58:07 GMT
He wasn’t the only unpaid director until the ALQs came in. And even then he hasn’t got onto the board through his own money or ability but through a 2 bit Jurassic organisation and even then he acted like he owned the shop most of the time. So let’s keep it real. Most of us drive to away games to watch the gas, a pay for the privilege of getting into the away ground. What’s your point? Just regarding the £10k that Masters put in. I can’t find any such donation. I can find a £5k donation in 2006 with a grant matching a similar figure but the grant hasn’t come from Ken. So where does the 10k figure come from? Your first para really says more about you than it does anyone else. The two bit Jurassic organisation raised well over a million pounds for the club. So you aren't insulting Ken, you are insulting everyone who contributed. And from what you've said, it's quite obvious that you couldn't be bothered to contribute. Away games? I don't think you've ever been seen at one. What's your point? I think you've put a little bit of effort in so I'll help you. The two sums in 2006 were indeed Kens money, which was a bonus he had earned via the company he helped set up with two others. The total was £10k which was paid direct. The company name was The Sam Learning Project, which was created by the three of them to encourage youngsters in the fields of Maths and English with a bit of photography and football thrown in to make the learning fun. He was also involved with encouraging disabled young adults to realise that they could still make something of themselves. At the same time as his bonus was payable, he realised that to be able to continue the educational side of things at his football club, it would take more than £10k to really turn the Football in the Community (as it then was) set up around. He therefore approached schools in our local area to contribute from the funding they received. He settled for the first 10 schools (£1,000 each) that were happy to help further the project, and also approached a sports charity, who were happy to match his own donation. He therefore raised £30k to get the ball rolling as it were. Up until this point, Peter Aitken was never sure he would be able to continue his good work, as he never knew if funding was available to do anything. Just to make it even easier for you, Paul Trollopes wife helped in the teaching set up, and loved the opportunity it gave her to help. Stuart Campbell also helped and encouraged even when in America. There were others known to us all that also helped, but suffice to say, all involved were impressed with the set up. All this was done at his own behest, without being asked to do it, because Ken is a qualified teacher, and knew what it would take to set up a meaningful teaching programme to encourage local youngsters. . And what's more he did it all without seeking the limelight. But it seems that you have shone a light on a gentleman who has more good in his little finger than you have in your whole body.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 20:25:29 GMT
Gasincider This "where does the 10k figure come from? Your first para really says more about you than it does anyone else. The two bit Jurassic organisation raised well over a million pounds for the club. So you aren't insulting Ken, you are insulting everyone who contributed. And from what you've said, it's quite obvious that you couldn't be bothered to contribute."
No they didn't. Apart from John M the SC Committee at the time did next to nothing, in fact the impression was they resented the Scheme. A separate Share Scheme Committee was set up to drive it.
On your other points re the Community Trust etc. I think everybody recognises he did a reasonable job on that. But he has resigned from a position that had nothing to do with that. He spent over a decade on the main board of 1883 ltd, as a representative of the fans that paid for that position. He manifestly failed in that role.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 6, 2020 21:04:24 GMT
He wasn’t the only unpaid director until the ALQs came in. And even then he hasn’t got onto the board through his own money or ability but through a 2 bit Jurassic organisation and even then he acted like he owned the shop most of the time. So let’s keep it real. Most of us drive to away games to watch the gas, a pay for the privilege of getting into the away ground. What’s your point? Just regarding the £10k that Masters put in. I can’t find any such donation. I can find a £5k donation in 2006 with a grant matching a similar figure but the grant hasn’t come from Ken. So where does the 10k figure come from? Your first para really says more about you than it does anyone else. The two bit Jurassic organisation raised well over a million pounds for the club. So you aren't insulting Ken, you are insulting everyone who contributed. And from what you've said, it's quite obvious that you couldn't be bothered to contribute. Away games? I don't think you've ever been seen at one. What's your point? I think you've put a little bit of effort in so I'll help you. The two sums in 2006 were indeed Kens money, which was a bonus he had earned via the company he helped set up with two others. The total was £10k which was paid direct. The company name was The Sam Learning Project, which was created by the three of them to encourage youngsters in the fields of Maths and English with a bit of photography and football thrown in to make the learning fun. He was also involved with encouraging disabled young adults to realise that they could still make something of themselves. At the same time as his bonus was payable, he realised that to be able to continue the educational side of things at his football club, it would take more than £10k to really turn the Football in the Community (as it then was) set up around. He therefore approached schools in our local area to contribute from the funding they received. He settled for the first 10 schools (£1,000 each) that were happy to help further the project, and also approached a sports charity, who were happy to match his own donation. He therefore raised £30k to get the ball rolling as it were. Up until this point, Peter Aitken was never sure he would be able to continue his good work, as he never knew if funding was available to do anything. Just to make it even easier for you, Paul Trollopes wife helped in the teaching set up, and loved the opportunity it gave her to help. Stuart Campbell also helped and encouraged even when in America. There were others known to us all that also helped, but suffice to say, all involved were impressed with the set up. All this was done at his own behest, without being asked to do it, because Ken is a qualified teacher, and knew what it would take to set up a meaningful teaching programme to encourage local youngsters. I could go on, but I think that is sufficient for now. I reiterate, that he has done more than enough to put the clubs name in a good light, far more so than a garage mechanic from Clevedon. And what's more he did it all without seeking the limelight. But it seems that you have shone a light on a gentleman who has more good in his little finger than you have in your whole body. I didn’t say the volunteers were 2 bit. But the organisation of it is. You only have to look at the nonsense this past week to realise that. With no encouragement from anyone either. I’ve also stated very openly that I bet the stance doesn’t reflect the position of every SC/PC member and volunteer and their names have been muddied and slurred with the actions and behaviour of a set few, who unfortunately were in the positions of control. Thanks for the lowdown on the situation. Wasn’t that hard was it. Why didn’t you just say that 2 days ago when it was asked? Why hide the info? Why the facade if nothing else other than to boost your ego. Just one question though, why doesn’t it show on the accounts? I’m not ever said Masters was totally bad. In fact there are many posts on here where I’ve said he’s done many good things. He’s just tripped himself up by getting involved with something that was only going to crash around his own ears. For someone who doesn’t like the limelight letting 200 people know in a room he’s raised a load of money himself and the self indulgent press release last week says otherwise I will say. Perhaps this garage mechanic from Clevedon has done more....not that you would ever know or I would ever want credit for because I have no desire to be a part of the elite group of egos in your circle jerk desiring a day in the sun.
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Post by lavalamp on Apr 10, 2020 14:01:43 GMT
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 10, 2020 14:13:02 GMT
We really are the Barcelona of League 1.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Apr 10, 2020 14:17:11 GMT
We really are the Barcelona of League 1. Please don't start this again 😂
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Post by lpgas on Apr 11, 2020 13:12:36 GMT
Masters made a mistake, and when you do that you have to pay for it. As for the supporters club, how many of 8,000 do they represent. Certainly not me. I was in the SC until we moved back to Bristol, and I am sorry to say that I fell out with them big time, and vowed I would never rejoin. I know some of the characters and get on with a few of them, BUT in it's present form it is certainly past its sell by date. Personally I think it should be put down to end it's misery, but then reformed as part of the club. A membership scheme. A lot of clubs have done this. Like so many things we seem to be stuck in the 1980's.
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Post by orgasmic on Apr 11, 2020 13:52:55 GMT
Masters made a mistake, and when you do that you have to pay for it. As for the supporters club, how many of 8,000 do they represent. Certainly not me. I was in the SC until we moved back to Bristol, and I am sorry to say that I fell out with them big time, and vowed I would never rejoin. I know some of the characters and get on with a few of them, BUT in it's present form it is certainly past its sell by date. Personally I think it should be put down to end it's misery, but then reformed as part of the club. A membership scheme. A lot of clubs have done this. Like so many things we seem to be stuck in the 1980's. I agree with most but feel it would be better to retain independence. Otherwise what’s the point? The reason the SC has failed is because the structure was dated, it felt like a closed shop to many and those in positions of influence got carried away with how much influence the had/wanted. Independence is key to be able to not feel like an unnecessary extension of the club. That said, it needs to work far closer and better with the FC so that the two things mutually benefit the club/supporters.
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Post by Gassy on Apr 12, 2020 13:02:08 GMT
Maybe I'm jumping in as too youthful, but IMO a SC shouldn't be a paid membership. Why should a fan pay to have their views represented at the club? I'd much rather a free membership scheme where fans can give any donations if they feel like it. Elections of every single position to be held every year in summer, by anyone who's a member.
If you really want to represent fans, you need to actually know what fans want and how they feel.
A SC free of politics and where no one has more power than anyone else, as we're all equal fans.
That's my dream anyway.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Apr 14, 2020 11:45:49 GMT
Let's be honest GI. You are one of either of the following: 1) Another of KMs/SHs little cronies. Just helping them out on their dirty little campaign to discredit the board 2) A fool who has mistakenly been taken in by their BS Either way, it's probably worth backing off a bit now. You're looking like a complete fool. Just looking at the accounts is enough to discredit the one man and his dog “board” this SC thing has been a godsend for that & has been great for misdirecting the questions that shoukd be being asked such as why a soft audit and not the unabridged accounts that have been given ? The term nero fiddled while Rome burned certainly comes to mind. This situation is not being helped with fans arguing and going at one another. It makes for some very sad reading. Faithful & true eh.
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 14, 2020 12:06:12 GMT
Maybe I'm jumping in as too youthful, but IMO a SC shouldn't be a paid membership. Why should a fan pay to have their views represented at the club? I'd much rather a free membership scheme where fans can give any donations if they feel like it. Elections of every single position to be held every year in summer, by anyone who's a member. If you really want to represent fans, you need to actually know what fans want and how they feel. A SC free of politics and where no one has more power than anyone else, as we're all equal fans. That's my dream anyway. That is the same dream as 'Animal Farm', Look how that worked out !
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Apr 14, 2020 12:19:47 GMT
So ..as we are supposed to have two reps on the board and assuming they won't lose all their assets by doing so, is their anyone of sufficient quality in the SC to apply? The question you need to ask if would Wael accept anyone from the SC ? He is able to veto any person put forward. Do you not see a huge problem in this, really ? ALL good leaders, be it industry to organised crime, always have a group of advisors that help them make the important decisions and yet we have one man and his dog who now do it all. I find that unsettling personally. In times now gone and when I was a sales director, I would often have different opinions to that of the MD or, in one case, a family who owned the 7 companies who were under the same ownership. Yes, there would be conflict and I got a written warning and yet they eventually implemented one of my ideas and it worked well. I have always found myself hoping for better but been prepared for the worst. I’d like to think the SC and some other people have tentative plans in place, should things go badly.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Apr 14, 2020 12:36:19 GMT
WHO is the person who heard the call hiding behind the Avin_Oops moniker? Before anyone jumps in on this and reveals him I can say he will absolutely NOT want that. Nothing to hide but he's a private person and I doubt he gave up that information lightly. I know him and he has no agenda bar wanting the gas to do well. I would counter that by saying if he is such a private person then he should respect the privacy of others. It doesn’t look good when private person decided to divulge the content of a call, don’t you think ? Anyway, reading this thread has thoroughly disabused me from the idea of us being a united and extended family. Seeing people have very personal digs at others just doesn’t sit well with me, regardless of opinion. This is an extraordinary time & one would hope that we should & could be using our time to try to be kinder and look for ways to help and support one another. It also has a big playground feel to it, with people point scoring. I would say that, without a shred of doubt, if an outsider read this thread he/she would say it was astonishing in content and in how fractured it appears. To paraphrase to Rovers ex players association, a club that forgets its history can easily have no future. I know it’s not exactly those words but you get my gist. I just find myself saddened by it all. I could maybe rationalise it if this were young kids but there is no way I can do so. I know things often get crazy in the off season but this goes well above and beyond that.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Apr 14, 2020 12:47:22 GMT
You hide behind a moniker on this very site. Outing people is not right. My last post on this thread but I will say this, if this person then puts the content of the conversation onto a public platform then he maybe should have thought twice before doing so. Just going by Nick Days tweet, about feeling pity for the 2 people should make everyone think why post it & why now. The divulging of such stuff was always going to be a contentious issue & if this person hold their privacy so highly then it doesn’t look good for them.
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