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Post by Feeling The Blues on Apr 2, 2020 11:33:35 GMT
G1981 how do you know your own stance is the correct one, unless you've seen the full accounts i.e. not the abridged version we've all seen, it could well be JC's concerned that we won't have a club to support soon, hence why he's now finally gone public? I don't think these comments were posted above but what is this all about, I assume MT must have told JC this was the reason he was stepping down for him to post it? "I personally genuinely believe that the recent departure of Mike Turner from the Board may be for a similar reason although I stand to be corrected on this!" Gashead 1981 us absolutely correct. As a former director I can confirm it. He’s right about what? JC has made a statement that the SC Director’s personal assets were on the line. 1981 has said thy aren’t and it’s bollox, yet I’ve posted above reasons why a Director’s personal assets would be on the line. So, rather than descend this into a tribal slanging match which just lets JC off the hook if he has been talking bollox, JC should be asked for which of the reasons that a Director can be liable would KM have been liable. There aren’t many reasons are there, so it shouldn’t be too difficult to say for which reason. If he can’t then I agree we can all say that he’s spouting bollox and we are being denied two fans reps because of his incompetence or other hidden agenda.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Apr 2, 2020 11:39:33 GMT
You’d do better to take JCs statement at face value and then ask him for which of the reasons (set out in the post above) any SC Director would be personally liable in his opinion. There’s either more to tell or he’s just embarrassed himself. Either way it’s better to let it play out. I don't need to let it play out. Its typical of the kind of statement they are known for. Half baked truths not based on any evidence whatsoever. JC and his crew have been embarrassing themselves a fair bit lately and this is just another instalment. So you have a chance to go in for the kill and instead you prefer to throw rocks from behind the hedge. If JC and the SC aren’t fit for purpose you now have a chance to expose them for what you say they are. Perhaps throwing rocks from a distance is safer though just in case you push JC to put in the public domain something that could be fatal for your puppet master. Best get your instructions first.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 2, 2020 11:41:27 GMT
Gashead 1981 us absolutely correct. As a former director I can confirm it. He’s right about what? JC has made a statement that the SC Director’s personal assets were on the line. 1981 has said thy aren’t and it’s bollox, yet I’ve posted above reasons why a Director’s personal assets would be on the line. So, rather than descend this into a tribal slanging match which just lets JC off the hook if he has been talking bollox, JC should be asked for which of the reasons that a Director can be liable would KM have been liable. There aren’t many reasons are there, so it shouldn’t be too difficult to say for which reason. If he can’t then I agree we can all say that he’s spouting bollox and we are being denied two fans reps because of his incompetence or other hidden agenda. You need to read 2 posts higher as I have explained it quite clearly. How can a new director of the SC be responsible for 92% of £25m of which he has not signed to personally guarantee himself should the club go bust or have the debt called in by DS? If KM did have some personal liability in BRFC he's done the smart thing, but a new director does not have to offer such a guarantee on appointment which is why the statement is false.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 2, 2020 12:00:39 GMT
I don't need to let it play out. Its typical of the kind of statement they are known for. Half baked truths not based on any evidence whatsoever. JC and his crew have been embarrassing themselves a fair bit lately and this is just another instalment. So you have a chance to go in for the kill and instead you prefer to throw rocks from behind the hedge. If JC and the SC aren’t fit for purpose you now have a chance to expose them for what you say they are. Perhaps throwing rocks from a distance is safer though just in case you push JC to put in the public domain something that could be fatal for your puppet master. Best get your instructions first. I would say it to their faces given an opportunity and if JC has got something remotely helpful to say, he should say it, given that he runs the SC and all. But he won't, because either he's too scared, or can't back it up. They're all a bunch of jellyfish IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 12:00:49 GMT
So the supporters club have lied in their statement about the whole situation. Are they even fit for purpose now after this whole debacle I certainly couldn’t trust them
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 12:03:24 GMT
Why was ken masters initially banned?
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 2, 2020 12:05:12 GMT
G1981 how do you know your own stance is the correct one, unless you've seen the full accounts i.e. not the abridged version we've all seen, it could well be JC's concerned that we won't have a club to support soon, hence why he's now finally gone public? I don't think these comments were posted above but what is this all about, I assume MT must have told JC this was the reason he was stepping down for him to post it? "I personally genuinely believe that the recent departure of Mike Turner from the Board may be for a similar reason although I stand to be corrected on this!" What stance? That what JC wrote is utter nonsense about being a director? As for what JC believes to be true about MT is purely speculative on his part and offers nothing but his own opinion and actually flies in the face of what I was told. And, IF (note if, not definitely because it is 3rd party information from a non club member) what I have heard is true, Mike Turner left because of abuse levied at him, in the company of his young son at a game by a member of the presidents club. The rhetoric was so bad that his son was scared and said he didn't want to go anymore. Given all that and I think the way he was treated and spoken to at the last AGM by members of the PC/SC and other shareholders he considered his own position and decided it wasn't worth it. And before you say that possibly couldn't be true, I too very nearly had the same experience by a member of the presidents club before he was put back in his box by Ed Ware. Seems they have form for it. "Curiously, in the statement the SC claim former non-executive director Mike Turner’s departure in December was due to the apparent financial liabilities he may or may not be responsible for; although with the football club a limited company, this is not the case. Bristol Live understands Turner stepped down from duties on the board for “personal reasons” stemming from verbal abuse he and his family have received at the Mem from associates of former chairman Steve Hamer and Masters." Either I have the same source as the BP or there's a ring of truth to it. Reported in the latest BP article.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 2, 2020 12:10:39 GMT
What stance? That what JC wrote is utter nonsense about being a director? As for what JC believes to be true about MT is purely speculative on his part and offers nothing but his own opinion and actually flies in the face of what I was told. And, IF (note if, not definitely because it is 3rd party information from a non club member) what I have heard is true, Mike Turner left because of abuse levied at him, in the company of his young son at a game by a member of the presidents club. The rhetoric was so bad that his son was scared and said he didn't want to go anymore. Given all that and I think the way he was treated and spoken to at the last AGM by members of the PC/SC and other shareholders he considered his own position and decided it wasn't worth it. And before you say that possibly couldn't be true, I too very nearly had the same experience by a member of the presidents club before he was put back in his box by Ed Ware. Seems they have form for it. "Curiously, in the statement the SC claim former non-executive director Mike Turner’s departure in December was due to the apparent financial liabilities he may or may not be responsible for; although with the football club a limited company, this is not the case. Bristol Live understands Turner stepped down from duties on the board for “personal reasons” stemming from verbal abuse he and his family have received at the Mem from associates of former chairman Steve Hamer and Masters." Either I have the same source as the BP or there's a ring of truth to it. Reported in the latest BP article. Or they're using this forum as a source for their articles Something I've suspected before. FTB why are you so keen to defend Ken Masters / Jim Chappell? Seems to me there's shades of grey and the truth lies in between the two parties.
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Post by pirate49 on Apr 2, 2020 12:28:24 GMT
Wow! I've just read this. When did we last have a local journalist coming off the fence like this, and landing with a huge thump? Well done sir! Interesting to note that towards the end he states that 'as of today' KM is no longer chair of the trustees of the Community Trust.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 12:36:13 GMT
Gashead 1981 us absolutely correct. As a former director I can confirm it. He’s right about what? JC has made a statement that the SC Director’s personal assets were on the line. 1981 has said thy aren’t and it’s bollox, yet I’ve posted above reasons why a Director’s personal assets would be on the line. So, rather than descend this into a tribal slanging match which just lets JC off the hook if he has been talking bollox, JC should be asked for which of the reasons that a Director can be liable would KM have been liable. There aren’t many reasons are there, so it shouldn’t be too difficult to say for which reason. If he can’t then I agree we can all say that he’s spouting bollox and we are being denied two fans reps because of his incompetence or other hidden agenda. FTB You have read and correctly transposed some of the basic rules around Directors Liability and Fiduciary Responsibility. So, if shareholders of the company they control through 92% of the shares they own, loan that company £20million from another legal entity they also control, how on earth would the company making the loan be able to apply to wind up the recipient company and pursue directors of same for fraud or fraudulent trading? It's barking, and JC us exposing himself as clueless. And Masters a complete w**ker for feeding him this sh**.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 2, 2020 12:36:54 GMT
Wow! I've just read this. When did we last have a local journalist coming off the fence like this, and landing with a huge thump? Well done sir! Interesting to note that towards the end he states that 'as of today' KM is no longer chair of the trustees of the Community Trust.
Missed that bit, thanks for flagging. Was a very ‘ballsy’ article, which I’ve got a lot of time for. Although you wonder if he’d have done the same with people still employed by the club. Can’t see him staying at the post much longer based on material like that. Jack Vittles was well liked but this guy seems to be taking it to another level.
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Post by wider on Apr 2, 2020 12:41:45 GMT
Seriously - we are tearing ourselves apart on here. Nobody really knows what is going on yet everyone seems to claim they are right.
People have resigned from the Supporters Club (not ‘Fans’) representative position because the terms prevent them from communicating (even to the Supporters Club!) anything that we’d like to hear. Nonsense maybe but that’s how it is.
Who knows what is right regarding liability? Would JC (on behalf of BRSC) have released a statement without running it past lawyers? One person had the decency to post the reasons why a director can be liable yet was ignored by others claiming it’s all bollox.
Football brings out strong emotions but although closely related to football this isn’t a game. Please can we all try to pull together and get Rovers through this? The truth hasn’t come out yet - for all our sakes I hope it does soon!!!
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Apr 2, 2020 12:42:41 GMT
"Curiously, in the statement the SC claim former non-executive director Mike Turner’s departure in December was due to the apparent financial liabilities he may or may not be responsible for; although with the football club a limited company, this is not the case. Bristol Live understands Turner stepped down from duties on the board for “personal reasons” stemming from verbal abuse he and his family have received at the Mem from associates of former chairman Steve Hamer and Masters." Either I have the same source as the BP or there's a ring of truth to it. Reported in the latest BP article. Or they're using this forum as a source for their articles Something I've suspected before. FTB why are you so keen to defend Ken Masters / Jim Chappell? Seems to me there's shades of grey and the truth lies in between the two parties. But I’m not trying to defend JC or KM am I? I’m saying that JC’s statement gives the opportunity for those against him and who accuse him and the SC of incompetence and destabilising to call him out. He’s stated that KM, MT, and any Director’s personal assets were at risk. As there are only very few reasons why this would be the case, one of which is fraud, he should be made to back up his statement or retract. If he retracts he looks a fool, a troublemaker and his influence will be diminished and position untenable. If he doesn’t retract and explains why he’s correct then it’s going to be someone else’s position that becomes untenable. Either way the FC should win.
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Post by axegas on Apr 2, 2020 12:55:52 GMT
Wow! I've just read this. When did we last have a local journalist coming off the fence like this, and landing with a huge thump? Well done sir! Interesting to note that towards the end he states that 'as of today' KM is no longer chair of the trustees of the Community Trust.
Missed that bit, thanks for flagging. Was a very ‘ballsy’ article, which I’ve got a lot of time for. Although you wonder if he’d have done the same with people still employed by the club. Can’t see him staying at the post much longer based on material like that. Jack Vittles was well liked but this guy seems to be taking it to another level. It was ballsy and sam is obviously trying his best to get the fans back on board with post again. However something about singling out a guy, who in fairness has done a lot for the community trust, doesn't sit right with me. Especially as the Post don't have the full picture in regards to what has gone on.
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Post by philbemmygas on Apr 2, 2020 12:58:10 GMT
Missed that bit, thanks for flagging. Was a very ‘ballsy’ article, which I’ve got a lot of time for. Although you wonder if he’d have done the same with people still employed by the club. Can’t see him staying at the post much longer based on material like that. Jack Vittles was well liked but this guy seems to be taking it to another level. It was ballsy and sam is obviously trying his best to get the fans back on board with post again. However something about singling out a guy, who in fairness has done a lot for the community trust, doesn't sit right with me. Especially as the Post don't have the full picture in regards to what has gone on. Or do they?
Personally I doubt it, maybe he has been burnt in dealing with Ken recently?
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 2, 2020 13:02:18 GMT
Missed that bit, thanks for flagging. Was a very ‘ballsy’ article, which I’ve got a lot of time for. Although you wonder if he’d have done the same with people still employed by the club. Can’t see him staying at the post much longer based on material like that. Jack Vittles was well liked but this guy seems to be taking it to another level. It was ballsy and sam is obviously trying his best to get the fans back on board with post again. However something about singling out a guy, who in fairness has done a lot for the community trust, doesn't sit right with me. Especially as the Post don't have the full picture in regards to what has gone on. Don't forget Sam comes across as very pro Wael even exchanging jokey tweets with him, I've never met KM and it does seem he comes across as a marmite character with those that have but I don't understand why somebody who's done so much for Rovers is being hung out to dry, particularly when things hardly look rosy on the club's finances front.
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 2, 2020 13:20:24 GMT
What a rubbish statement, from someone that does not want anyone else to stand and is trying to scare people off. They wouldn't be liable, unless they agreed to be. So they wouldn't lose houses etc and if that was the case, why did masters want to stay so much? Didn't expect anything different from the old guard. Just standing by Masters and trying to put others off standing.
Hiding behind the accounts as well. Yes the debt is worrying, but it's in house, so only becomes a problem if they stop paying. The same at all clubs, although a lot take out back loans instead. C**y took out £40 million in bank loans in one go. Even clubs like Manchester United are run this way.
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Post by blueridge on Apr 2, 2020 13:31:00 GMT
It was ballsy and sam is obviously trying his best to get the fans back on board with post again. However something about singling out a guy, who in fairness has done a lot for the community trust, doesn't sit right with me. Especially as the Post don't have the full picture in regards to what has gone on. Don't forget Sam comes across as very pro Wael even exchanging jokey tweets with him, I've never met KM and it does seem he comes across as a marmite character with those that have but I don't understand why somebody who's done so much for Rovers is being hung out to dry, particularly when things hardly look rosy on the club's finances front. I agree with you. KM is a marmite man but some of the things being posted on here without foundation - and mainly through hearsay is bordering on being libelous. Absolutely disgraceful - KM a man who may have acted naively (who knows) but is a Gashead through and through unlike a certain other Director picking up a sizeable wedge who has no real affinity to the Club apart from his pay packet. If I was KM I would be looking very closely at some of the postings on here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 13:53:06 GMT
Don't forget Sam comes across as very pro Wael even exchanging jokey tweets with him, I've never met KM and it does seem he comes across as a marmite character with those that have but I don't understand why somebody who's done so much for Rovers is being hung out to dry, particularly when things hardly look rosy on the club's finances front. I agree with you. KM is a marmite man but some of the things being posted on here without foundation - and mainly through hearsay is bordering on being libelous. Absolutely disgraceful - KM a man who may have acted naively (who knows) but is a Gashead through and through unlike a certain other Director picking up a sizeable wedge who has no real affinity to the Club apart from his pay packet. If I was KM I would be looking very closely at some of the postings on here. Seriously? Like what?
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Post by alanrg on Apr 2, 2020 14:15:21 GMT
noticed an ex employee called masters a charlatan sum it up well has for jc he his a waste of space
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