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Post by Gassy on Apr 5, 2020 21:47:37 GMT
This whole PL 30% drop is an interesting debate. On one side, I understand why PL players are saying it's not fair to target/single them out. They have short careers and the money they make is only really for 10 years or so (for the mega millions). On top of that, there are people far wealthier who make a lot more per year than these players do in their life time, who aren't being called out enough (EG Richard Branson). They're employees, not business owners and I'm not sure it's fair they should be picked on because they earn good money. One the other side their excuse is absolute bullshit. If they were that concerned about the NHS, they should then donate 30% of their wages directly to it, to make a point. Their sense of entitlement is absolutely pathetic, acting out as the 'poor little rich boys' is sad. On top of that, whilst I said they're employees and not business owners, this is exactly why they should drop down their salaries. If they ever want to connect with fans and the general public then this is what they need to do. The very least is they should pay for the staff wages of those who aren't being paid. I think its disgusting from Liverpool to put their non-playing staff on furlough. And they have the cheek to say "You'll never walk alone" Whatever the rights/wrongs of the debate about PL players...I can’t work out why the same isn’t being said about/applied to other highly paid sports eg tennis/rugby/golf etc? Surely if the argument is right for one it’s right for all? Or am I missing something here? Maybe it has been said and I’ve missed it amongst all that’s being said/written......🤔 Far too many forward slashes for one post But yeah this was actually a point I wanted to mention but forgot. I think rugby did take a reduction though? Why don’t people call out actors/actresses? The top ones make just as much money. I guess golf and tennis though is difficult as it’s paid by tournament rather than a fixed salary? Whilst I agree the PL players should take a 30% drop, I don’t like the witch hunt from people who basically don’t like football. I bet the people demanding Sterling takes a wage cut isn’t demanding that Brad Pitt does the same
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Post by Westy on Apr 6, 2020 3:47:39 GMT
Not sure if it's been mentioned (looks like I've missed a lot round here in a few days!).. but I was reading a statement from the PL earlier that said on average wages in the Premier League, around £200m a week taxes are paid to the treasury, and that being almost a 10 billion a year, is more helpful to the NHS to keep wages being paid and therefore taxed... I see the state of footballers being payed thousands of pounds a week, and yeah - that wateres me off too. Who wouldn't it? However, I do understand that the players are essentially the product and the economy works around the product. I'm not justifying it but if people are going to spend millions of pounds on Man Utd kits, 75000 tickets at Old Trafford every week.. for example... Then how all this money adds up and is divvied out proportionally to the players. Anyways, I'll find a link to the statement tomorrow when it's not stupid o'clock, But £200m tax revenues is a lot of money week in week out, and every decision financially in government is made on *expected revenue* and not exactly *taken out the bank balance* so to speak! Still, non playing staff not being paid is a disgrace and I hope post CV people get salaried and contracts honoured in future. Edit: found a link news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-cutting-premier-league-players-wages-would-cost-treasury-200m-pfa-claims-11968807
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Post by matealotblue on Apr 6, 2020 4:01:37 GMT
Whatever the rights/wrongs of the debate about PL players...I can’t work out why the same isn’t being said about/applied to other highly paid sports eg tennis/rugby/golf etc? Surely if the argument is right for one it’s right for all? Or am I missing something here? Maybe it has been said and I’ve missed it amongst all that’s being said/written......🤔 Far too many forward slashes for one post Sorry....didn’t realise there was a limit on them.....😀
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 6, 2020 10:52:16 GMT
In response to some comments on here.
I think we’re having a go at premier league footballers because it’s the area most of us are particularly interested in. Maybe on a tennis forum someone will be slagging off their top pro’s.
As far as captains of industry in the main the company shareholders do at least have the option to veto them. I suppose I see football fans as a kind of shareholder, morally, but with no power.
Footballers very directly ply their trade under the noses of their supporters and there is a very close link. They are extraordinarily well paid for a job most of us would do for a living wage. Some leaders in industry would find it harder to find someone willing to fill their roles, due to the time and commitment required.
The privilege that comes with playing football at the highest level carries a very large responsibility and many are failing so badly. Some aren’t.
The instances of horrible behaviour by Walker and recently by Liverpool FC will be remembered for a long time by many.
Hopefully the medical staff currently dealing with the crisis don’t show the same disregard for society and walk away from their chosen responsibilities, although who could blame them if they did.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 6, 2020 12:59:40 GMT
Whatever the rights/wrongs of the debate about PL players...I can’t work out why the same isn’t being said about/applied to other highly paid sports eg tennis/rugby/golf etc? Surely if the argument is right for one it’s right for all? Or am I missing something here? Maybe it has been said and I’ve missed it amongst all that’s being said/written......🤔 Far too many forward slashes for one post But yeah this was actually a point I wanted to mention but forgot. I think rugby did take a reduction though? Why don’t people call out actors/actresses? The top ones make just as much money. I guess golf and tennis though is difficult as it’s paid by tournament rather than a fixed salary? Whilst I agree the PL players should take a 30% drop, I don’t like the witch hunt from people who basically don’t like football. I bet the people demanding Sterling takes a wage cut isn’t demanding that Brad Pitt does the same Agree with much of this but I guess the big difference is: actors, golf players and several other well paid “stars” aren’t employed by companies (PL clubs) who are furloughing non-playing staff and applying to get government money to pay the clubs’ staffs. I think it is the hypocrisy of very, very wealthy clubs using a scheme (which I dont think was meant for them but other non football companies) to get out of their own problems, get out of their responsibilities when they are very wealthy clubs. I, as a tax payer, do not think my taxes should be used to fund PL clubs or any football club for that matter. Sterling is employed by a club who may or may not be intending to furlough staff, Brad Pitt isn’t. Even Liverpool fans are clearly embarrassed by their own club at doing this. I think the issue is clouded by the individual action by some last week which just highlighted the whole issue and now they are trying to consider collective action which is a clearly more difficult to achieve and is coming over as a responsive action not a proactive one. They’ve been forced into considering it not initiating it. In line with the opening post it will be interesting to see if there are big changes at the end of this or if it still remains as it has been. I suspect that clubs and players may be shamed into action and changing things but in the end at the top end it will only happen if i5 happens all over Europe. The English PL will only become weaker if they try to do it alone and that won’t happen. UTG!
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Apr 6, 2020 13:17:37 GMT
Blimey, right bunch of commies on here
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 6, 2020 17:57:36 GMT
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