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Post by Topper Gas on May 9, 2020 6:03:52 GMT
I'm of the opinion that we play a shorter, regionalised season next season to allow for this season to be finished when it will be feasible to do so. But either way the decision should have no discernable effect on our season. Frankly, this way is probably the best thing for us because with our relegation-worthy form and the improving form of both Tranmere and Southend there was a good chance we could potentially have slipped into that bottom three come the end of the season. Whatever happens, I think going forward with a regional set up for the next few seasons is the best way to go. There isn't going to be as much income going around right now for all of us, so the added cost of going to the Carlisle's of the world (and likewise for fans like them to travel down here) is going to impact attendences significantly for a while. Football in the Netherlands has now been confirmed has playing behind closed doors until a vaccine is ever found, if the UK follows their lead then that's basically the whole of next season being played behind closed doors. Assuming most EFL clubs make it to the start of next season then Regionalising the leagues would now make sense, as playing teams locally would increase iFollow audiences and also, in theory, cut down on players traveling. Continue playing the likes of Rochdale, Accrington and Fleetwood and you do wonder if we can survive next season. One thing's for sure is that the present players contracts will all have to change to reflect the drastic cuts in the clubs incomes.
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Post by teanbiscuits on May 9, 2020 6:21:05 GMT
I'm of the opinion that we play a shorter, regionalised season next season to allow for this season to be finished when it will be feasible to do so. But either way the decision should have no discernable effect on our season. Frankly, this way is probably the best thing for us because with our relegation-worthy form and the improving form of both Tranmere and Southend there was a good chance we could potentially have slipped into that bottom three come the end of the season. Whatever happens, I think going forward with a regional set up for the next few seasons is the best way to go. There isn't going to be as much income going around right now for all of us, so the added cost of going to the Carlisle's of the world (and likewise for fans like them to travel down here) is going to impact attendences significantly for a while. Football in the Netherlands has now been confirmed has playing behind closed doors until a vaccine is ever found, if the UK follows their lead then that's basically the whole of next season being played behind closed doors. Assuming most EFL clubs make it to the start of next season then Regionalising the leagues would now make sense, as playing teams locally would increase iFollow audiences and also, in theory, cut down on players traveling. Continue playing the likes of Rochdale, Accrington and Fleetwood and you do wonder if we can survive next season. One thing's for sure is that the present players contracts will all have to change to reflect the drastic cuts in the clubs incomes. Why do you think more people would watch us play local teams on iFollow? Football without crowds is duller than dish water. Without any passionate fans there it wouldn't make any difference whether we played against Swindon or Sydney.
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Post by darkbluegas on May 9, 2020 8:24:02 GMT
I read an article about playing the games behind closed doors, and most Div 1 and 2 clubs say that it will cost them money. Paying players, coaches, security, medical staff and so on. Personally I think we should void it Security? Yes stop someone breaking into the changing rooms and nicking the phones and car keys during the game. Haven’t you ever played Sunday football
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Post by barumgas on May 9, 2020 9:03:25 GMT
Today's paper say a decision will be made on Tuesday with 75% of clubs needing to agree on a course of action.
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Post by Gas-Ed on May 9, 2020 19:26:20 GMT
Football in the Netherlands has now been confirmed has playing behind closed doors until a vaccine is ever found, if the UK follows their lead then that's basically the whole of next season being played behind closed doors. Assuming most EFL clubs make it to the start of next season then Regionalising the leagues would now make sense, as playing teams locally would increase iFollow audiences and also, in theory, cut down on players traveling. Continue playing the likes of Rochdale, Accrington and Fleetwood and you do wonder if we can survive next season. One thing's for sure is that the present players contracts will all have to change to reflect the drastic cuts in the clubs incomes. Why do you think more people would watch us play local teams on iFollow? Football without crowds is duller than dish water. Without any passionate fans there it wouldn't make any difference whether we played against Swindon or Sydney. Behind closed doors is a non-starter in my opinion. Where would the revenue come from to pay the wages/maintenance/training ground rent/bills in general? We wouldn’t get anywhere near the revenue made on matchday on ifollow, what with groups of people watching on one screen, people streaming games online for free, no food/drink being sold etc. Would 6/7000 fans watch online each week? Or would they just do something else instead?
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Post by amgas on May 9, 2020 20:07:21 GMT
More revenue than we will get by not playing at all though ? Is the cost of owning a ground etc going to go away if we don't use it ? Are you saying sell the ground and sack all the staff and players ? If we stop playing games not only will clubs lose gate money but will also lose fans. 6 months of no football can easily become a habit. Streaming games at least keeps interest in the club, helps sell club related goods etc. On the other hand we could all become arm chair Liverpool or Man City fans ......
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on May 11, 2020 8:16:00 GMT
The EFL need to decide soon what the outcome is. I'd like to see all games played behind closed doors until we're all clear with a salary cap implemented on clubs that doesn't allow them to spend more than what can be recovered from streaming services or any other form of income.
There can be no other logical way of completing the season other than that. Yes this will upset higher earning players who will effectively be taking large pay cuts but they need to understand we're in very unusual circumstances. Time to scale things back and take the greed out of the game.
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Post by William Wilson on May 11, 2020 8:54:22 GMT
The EFL need to decide soon what the outcome is. I'd like to see all games played behind closed doors until we're all clear with a salary cap implemented on clubs that doesn't allow them to spend more than what can be recovered from streaming services or any other form of income. There can be no other logical way of completing the season other than that. Yes this will upset higher earning players who will effectively be taking large pay cuts but they need to understand we're in very unusual circumstances. Time to scale things back and take the greed out of the game. Agreed. If ever there was a sport that was rife for an injection of sanity and reality, it`s surely football.
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Post by darkbluegas on May 11, 2020 8:59:23 GMT
Don’t think there’s any chance of this season being completed on the pitch. Clubs like ours need to wind down operations to as close to zero as possible to minimise expenses. With no prospect at the moment of the next season starting a package of support will need to be negotiated with the EFL if the league have any hope of maintaining enough clubs to play in a professional league.
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on May 11, 2020 9:08:33 GMT
Don’t think there’s any chance of this season being completed on the pitch. Clubs like ours need to wind down operations to as close to zero as possible to minimise expenses. With no prospect at the moment of the next season starting a package of support will need to be negotiated with the EFL if the league have any hope of maintaining enough clubs to play in a professional league.Slightly off subject but I had a similar conversation with our 5 aside team the other day. Surely if clubs refuse to return on health and safety grounds for the foreseeable future then there is a possibility of merging leagues to make the numbers up thus making them largely unfair! Wouldn't want to see our fat pub players smashed 20 nil every week by the champions of the higher leagues. Back on topic, unless the EFL can offer some clubs a lifeline finance package to survive then there is a real possibility that they'll fold.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 11, 2020 12:07:11 GMT
Don’t think there’s any chance of this season being completed on the pitch. Clubs like ours need to wind down operations to as close to zero as possible to minimise expenses. With no prospect at the moment of the next season starting a package of support will need to be negotiated with the EFL if the league have any hope of maintaining enough clubs to play in a professional league. They'll still have to pay players etc contracts until at least 31 July, will the club's expenses really be that much greater if they play? What about next season shall they call that off now as well until a vaccine is ever found, as it won't be any easier next season unless the likes of Bennett and JCH etc are prepared to take massive pay cuts to reflect the tinny income we're likely to get from iFollow.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 11, 2020 12:08:45 GMT
Don’t think there’s any chance of this season being completed on the pitch. Clubs like ours need to wind down operations to as close to zero as possible to minimise expenses. With no prospect at the moment of the next season starting a package of support will need to be negotiated with the EFL if the league have any hope of maintaining enough clubs to play in a professional league.Slightly off subject but I had a similar conversation with our 5 aside team the other day. Surely if clubs refuse to return on health and safety grounds for the foreseeable future then there is a possibility of merging leagues to make the numbers up thus making them largely unfair! Wouldn't want to see our fat pub players smashed 20 nil every week by the champions of the higher leagues. Back on topic, unless the EFL can offer some clubs a lifeline finance package to survive then there is a real possibility that they'll fold. Where are the EFL going to get the finance from themselves to offer the package?
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on May 11, 2020 12:15:45 GMT
Slightly off subject but I had a similar conversation with our 5 aside team the other day. Surely if clubs refuse to return on health and safety grounds for the foreseeable future then there is a possibility of merging leagues to make the numbers up thus making them largely unfair! Wouldn't want to see our fat pub players smashed 20 nil every week by the champions of the higher leagues. Back on topic, unless the EFL can offer some clubs a lifeline finance package to survive then there is a real possibility that they'll fold. Where are the EFL going to get the finance from themselves to offer the package? Not 100% sure how it would work but I'd guess they would turn to the government for a bail out loan. wont please Mr tax payer though!
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Post by darkbluegas on May 11, 2020 12:46:24 GMT
Don’t think there’s any chance of this season being completed on the pitch. Clubs like ours need to wind down operations to as close to zero as possible to minimise expenses. With no prospect at the moment of the next season starting a package of support will need to be negotiated with the EFL if the league have any hope of maintaining enough clubs to play in a professional league. They'll still have to pay players etc contracts until at least 31 July, will the club's expenses really be that much greater if they play? What about next season shall they call that off now as well until a vaccine is ever found, as it won't be any easier next season unless the likes of Bennett and JCH etc are prepared to take massive pay cuts to reflect the tinny income we're likely to get from iFollow. When the EFL make a decision clubs can do like wise. If the EFL decide to go ahead next year with a behind closed doors season, clubs will decide if they can afford to take part. If the EFL decide there’s no prospect of running a viable lower league season clubs, can restrict their expenditure to basic admin and maintenance costs. The entire playing and football side could be made redundant.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 11, 2020 13:08:23 GMT
They'll still have to pay players etc contracts until at least 31 July, will the club's expenses really be that much greater if they play? What about next season shall they call that off now as well until a vaccine is ever found, as it won't be any easier next season unless the likes of Bennett and JCH etc are prepared to take massive pay cuts to reflect the tinny income we're likely to get from iFollow. When the EFL make a decision clubs can do like wise. If the EFL decide to go ahead next year with a behind closed doors season, clubs will decide if they can afford to take part. If the EFL decide there’s no prospect of running a viable lower league season clubs, can restrict their expenditure to basic admin and maintenance costs. The entire playing and football side could be made redundant. Not sure you can make a contracted player redundant, if he's got another year or more on his contract surely we're obliged to pay it, unless the player accepts a wage reduction/pay off. Although i've not seen one news article where it's been suggested next season won't commence, whether there's still 45 L1/L2 clubs taking part is another matter.
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Post by darkbluegas on May 11, 2020 13:17:53 GMT
I suppose I was suggesting if there’s no football being played anyone could be made redundant, the compensation is another thing that the club would negotiate.
As far as no news on next season I’ve yet to see a workable plan being put forward either. My concern is, the longer the EFL drag their feet the bigger the debts we are racking up.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 11, 2020 15:05:40 GMT
I suppose I was suggesting if there’s no football being played anyone could be made redundant, the compensation is another thing that the club would negotiate. As far as no news on next season I’ve yet to see a workable plan being put forward either. My concern is, the longer the EFL drag their feet the bigger the debts we are racking up. Not sure the EFL can be said to dragging their feet although even if they made this season void tomorrow we'd be still stuck playing all our players until at least 31 July, with probably the bulk of our playering/coaching staff still under contract until the end of next season.
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Post by gasheadontour on May 11, 2020 18:17:29 GMT
Football League clubs are so reliant upon match-day income that it seems they are unlikely to play until it is safe for crowds to return. That could be years away.
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Post by darkbluegas on May 11, 2020 18:23:05 GMT
I suppose I was suggesting if there’s no football being played anyone could be made redundant, the compensation is another thing that the club would negotiate. As far as no news on next season I’ve yet to see a workable plan being put forward either. My concern is, the longer the EFL drag their feet the bigger the debts we are racking up. Not sure the EFL can be said to dragging their feet although even if they made this season void tomorrow we'd be still stuck playing all our players until at least 31 July, with probably the bulk of our playering/coaching staff still under contract until the end of next season. I maybe being pessimistic but I can’t see how any of the options available for next season can be financed by the club. I’m assuming this season is gone by the way. Playing a season under social distancing rules or behind closed doors will be financially disastrous for us with our current expenditure.,if the ground opens as normal the crowds will be so low due to health concerns that we’ll also be making huge losses. We need some offer of help from the FA, EFL or PL as soon as possible.
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on May 11, 2020 18:29:26 GMT
Has any one looked into how South Korea have re-opened there league? Different level of football but surely they face the same issues.
Not looked into this myself yet just wondering if anyone else has?.
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