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Post by oliverhelmet on May 20, 2020 10:51:26 GMT
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Post by Jomo on May 20, 2020 10:56:56 GMT
Nice for them to include the Championship in these proposals, because their losses are the most absurd...oh wait...
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Post by axegas on May 20, 2020 11:10:51 GMT
This is something that could massively benefit Rovers as it gives Garner a chance to slim the wage budget whilst still putting us on a somewhat level playing field with the likes of Ipswich, Sunderland and Portsmouth. Not so keen on the 20 man squad max thing though, you get 5-6 injuries/suspensions and you’re down to bare bones.
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Post by Big Jock on May 20, 2020 11:48:10 GMT
IMO jes makes th Prem/Championship even more elite, th bastards have wanted a NFL/MLB/NBA system for decades, its now getting even closer.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 12:08:22 GMT
IMO jes makes th Prem/Championship even more elite, th bastards have wanted a NFL/MLB/NBA system for decades, its now getting even closer. How can you have a salary cap in Div 1? The gap between Div 1 and the Championship would be even bigger. Clubs will literally not be able to afford promotion to the Championship, as to go from a salary cap to Championship wages without a salary cap would be imposible.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on May 20, 2020 12:10:48 GMT
Good and bad news this.
Good news - likely secures our long term future. Not spending so much on wages means more can go on infrastructure, actually might even make profits. More chances for our own academy players.
Bad news - Makes us powerless to keep our best players should championship clubs come calling as the money will talk. This is the beginning of the end as we know it. Watch the richer teams get richer and the poor become irrelevant. NFL style franchises coming soon.
The likes of us maybe entering some form of community league where you can do well but never get promoted to the promised land unless it’s by invitation.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 20, 2020 12:17:12 GMT
This is something that could massively benefit Rovers as it gives Garner a chance to slim the wage budget whilst still putting us on a somewhat level playing field with the likes of Ipswich, Sunderland and Portsmouth. Not so keen on the 20 man squad max thing though, you get 5-6 injuries/suspensions and you’re down to bare bones. Plus 8 "home grown" Academy players in the 20, at the moment isn't only AK apart from OC, who's out of contract this summer, a regularly ex Academy starter? The likes of Kelly, Rollin, Hargreaves etc struggling to make the starting squad, can their agents now demand a decent contract so we have some quality ex Academy players in the 8 being allowed? What happens with Bennett's present contract as he's on around £250K but the new average will be just £125K? How will the likes of Sunderland & Pompey get below the cap for next season when most of their squad are probably on at least Bennett's salary?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 20, 2020 12:20:21 GMT
Good and bad news this. Good news - likely secures our long term future. Not spending so much on wages means more can go on infrastructure, actually might even make profits. More chances for our own academy players. Bad news - Makes us powerless to keep our best players should championship clubs come calling as the money will talk. This is the beginning of the end as we know it. Watch the richer teams get richer and the poor become irrelevant. NFL style franchises coming soon. The likes of us maybe entering some form of community league where you can do well but never get promoted to the promised land unless it’s by invitation. PL1 & PL2? If any L1 side ever got promoted they'd be totally out of our depth trying to compete?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 20, 2020 12:25:10 GMT
i guess U21s wouldn't be part of the 20 man squad like they don't have to be included in the 25 man PL squads so you could have a dozen 19 year olds not part of the squad how that works within in the salary cap 1.25m/20 = ave £62,500 circa £1200 a week sure everyone can do math for L1 "If approved, it would mean only 20 senior professionals at each club, with eight homegrown players - those produced from the club's academy system - within that group."
So just 12 non "home grown" pro's next season? How many do we have now 25 inc loan players? What happens to loan players?
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Post by Big Jock on May 20, 2020 12:26:02 GMT
IMO an in Baseball terms, Div 1 & 2 will become th 'Minor League', Prem & Championship will become 'Major League'
I would think Th big boys will wanna shed a few unfashionable clubs to make it a 32 ish 'Major League' that no-one can get promoted too. Th TV money would get even bigger as th 'Minor league' gets even smaller.
Sad that a worldwide health emergency causing death an distress to so many is likely to give them th opportunity they always wanted. Some may call them 'Opportunists', i'd call it profiteering out of disaster.
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Post by peterparker on May 20, 2020 12:26:21 GMT
Good and bad news this. Good news - likely secures our long term future. Not spending so much on wages means more can go on infrastructure, actually might even make profits. More chances for our own academy players. Bad news - Makes us powerless to keep our best players should championship clubs come calling as the money will talk. This is the beginning of the end as we know it. Watch the richer teams get richer and the poor become irrelevant. NFL style franchises coming soon. The likes of us maybe entering some form of community league where you can do well but never get promoted to the promised land unless it’s by invitation. PL1 & PL2? If any L1 side ever got promoted they'd be totally out of our depth trying to compete? the PL would be closed off. you wouldn't ever be promoted to it, but potentially invited or apply to join so that would depend on financial backers and other criteria
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Post by peterparker on May 20, 2020 12:28:27 GMT
IMO an in Baseball terms, Div 1 & 2 will become th 'Minor League', Prem & Championship will become 'Major League' I would think Th big boys will wanna shed a few unfashionable clubs to make it a 32 ish 'Major League' that no-one can get promoted too. Th TV money would get even bigger as th 'Minor league' gets even smaller. Sad that a worldwide health emergency causing death an distress to so many is likely to give them th opportunity they always wanted. Some may call them 'Opportunists', i'd call it profiteering out of disaster. can guarantee the likes of Leeds, Sunderland, The sh** will be looking at ways they can buddy up to the PL and resign from the EFL
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Post by axegas on May 20, 2020 12:46:02 GMT
PL1 & PL2? If any L1 side ever got promoted they'd be totally out of our depth trying to compete? the PL would be closed off. you wouldn't ever be promoted to it, but potentially invited or apply to join so that would depend on financial backers and other criteria Think you've put 2 and 2 together and made 5 if you've come to that. Relegation is part of what makes the Premier League what it is with the relegation battles and great escapes. No chance they want to get rid of it, especially when the likes of Sheffield United and Wolves have been promoted and been very successful in recent years.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on May 20, 2020 12:52:31 GMT
IMO an in Baseball terms, Div 1 & 2 will become th 'Minor League', Prem & Championship will become 'Major League' I would think Th big boys will wanna shed a few unfashionable clubs to make it a 32 ish 'Major League' that no-one can get promoted too. Th TV money would get even bigger as th 'Minor league' gets even smaller. Sad that a worldwide health emergency causing death an distress to so many is likely to give them th opportunity they always wanted. Some may call them 'Opportunists', i'd call it profiteering out of disaster. can guarantee the likes of Leeds, Sunderland, The sh** will be looking at ways they can buddy up to the PL and resign from the EFL Hypothetically on a 32 Major league starting next season, City might just make it? I’d say from the championship, Leeds WBA Wednesday Fulham Forest Derby, would all be welcomed with open arms. Then on merit and previous PL history with considerable fan bases, Cardiff Birmingham Stoke Middlesbrough probably get a pass in. Then after that City would be squabbling with Brentford Swansea Hull Reading QPR Blackburn Sunderland Portsmouth Ipswich over the final 2 spaces. Then again, the EPL might take them, on account of already being a new franchise so won’t take as long evolving 😏😉
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Post by oliverhelmet on May 20, 2020 13:13:01 GMT
Lucky Sunderland got shot of Jack Rodwell as him and Will Grigg would have been their entire squad under these proposals.If a cap is introduced then a higher figure that those proposed will be “negotiated” by the big hitters no doubt.
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Post by peterparker on May 20, 2020 13:17:05 GMT
the PL would be closed off. you wouldn't ever be promoted to it, but potentially invited or apply to join so that would depend on financial backers and other criteria Think you've put 2 and 2 together and made 5 if you've come to that. Relegation is part of what makes the Premier League what it is with the relegation battles and great escapes. No chance they want to get rid of it, especially when the likes of Sheffield United and Wolves have been promoted and been very successful in recent years. i don't think it's that far fetched. Pl1 and 2 operating in its own sphere. we have no idea what will remain of the FL clubs and the new financial reality Clubs like Leeds and Sunderland won't want to be potential 3rd tier clubs ever again with even tighter finacial regulations making it further from the championship level already
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 13:23:33 GMT
Think I read somewhere that a Championship club that is relegated will keep their wage structure for the next season …. so the bouncing between divisions of the likes of Barnsley and Rotherham would be nicely waterproofed.
Throw in a big club failing like Ipswich or the likes of Sunderland again and you have no chance to compete.
Think the Powers that Rule have waited for a moment like this …. A chance to finally rid themselves of the smaller teams.
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Post by legas on May 20, 2020 13:23:44 GMT
The bigger L1 clubs would probably just offer massive signing on fees as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 13:25:51 GMT
the PL would be closed off. you wouldn't ever be promoted to it, but potentially invited or apply to join so that would depend on financial backers and other criteria Think you've put 2 and 2 together and made 5 if you've come to that. Relegation is part of what makes the Premier League what it is with the relegation battles and great escapes. No chance they want to get rid of it, especially when the likes of Sheffield United and Wolves have been promoted and been very successful in recent years. Getting rid of relegation would make people lost interest especially when only a handful of clubs can realistically win the league. Imagine Liverpool winning the league by over 100 points and no relegation battle to keep people interested. They would be switching off in their droves.
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Post by axegas on May 20, 2020 13:29:48 GMT
Think you've put 2 and 2 together and made 5 if you've come to that. Relegation is part of what makes the Premier League what it is with the relegation battles and great escapes. No chance they want to get rid of it, especially when the likes of Sheffield United and Wolves have been promoted and been very successful in recent years. i don't think it's that far fetched. Pl1 and 2 operating in its own sphere. we have no idea what will remain of the FL clubs and the new financial reality Clubs like Leeds and Sunderland won't want to be potential 3rd tier clubs ever again with even tighter finacial regulations making it further from the championship level already I've never seen this put forward by any of the top teams though, they don't want to dilute the branding or share more TV revenue. It's normally proposed by chairmans of clubs like Leeds, West Brom and Sunderland as a threat to the EFL to negotiate better TV and sponsorship deals. I just think the idea of abolishing relegation in any tier of the English football pyramid is completely ridiculous, its what makes Football interesting and raises the stakes and standard of the division.
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