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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 14:45:20 GMT
I wasn't quite sure what the problem with the Oxbridge education was supposed to be, but Starmer has one also, that's all. Sounded like a bit of a bitter, green eyed comment to me, so just thought I would point out that your new hero has one also. Be careful using words such as 'effete' in connection with a Man such as Murray. I'll play by the rules of your team here and accuse you of Homophobia. He's gay, as you may or may not be aware, one of the definitions of that word is 'weak or effeminate'. If I, for example's sake, make such a characterisation of, let's say, a transgender person, you would start again with your 'look, he just can't help himself' stuff. You can't have it both ways. So an apology is due here please. To one of the other points you made. How can culture be erased. You are aware that across universities people are told that they have to agree to sign the student charter before they are allowed a platform to speak. The mantra is 'Silence is violence' so you either agree with us or we will silence you, then you are, by default, on the wrong side of the debate and are cast as being wrong and not even deemed suitable to have a platform to voice your opinion, utter madness, those rules are set up so that you either agree or are the villain of the piece. This is played out even in football, how many players have stood quietly whilst others have grovelled on their knees, I've counted precisely 0. It's happening in Hollywood, you had better watch every word, every tweet and make sure it's 'on message' or your career is over. That's how you erase culture, you replace it with your own vision. Germany 1930s anybody? Make no mistake, these are dangerous times. Make sure that history doesn't judge you to have been on the wrong side of this madness. Football does have a very warped morality, it’s almost cartoon-ish. Eg players going through the performative concern of taking the knee (I’m sure BLM would prefer a sizeable donation from the player’s wages personally) and yet I was reading today that a PL footballer has written a letter saying he wants to come out but he can’t because he fears the backlash he would get from all these right-on, socially just, footballers! There is also a socio-economic divide in terms of privileged white footballers taking the knee- their lives are so far removed from the daily struggle of poor black people, it has the feel of the royal family in Tsarist Russia going without food for one day in solidarity with the peasants who hadn’t eaten in a week. You'll have to forgive me, I can't remember the details, but there have been a couple of 'anonymous' leaks from footballers at critical moments, one I think, from memory was around sexuality, the other something to do with race, the timing of both was 'convenient'. But you are right, Lewis Hamilton should stop posturing, if he actually wants to help, pay tax in the UK. Hopefully you get my drift there, it's the same point that I think Troy Deeney made, wearing a T-shirt shows good intentions but won't change much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 14:48:00 GMT
I wasn't quite sure what the problem with the Oxbridge education was supposed to be, but Starmer has one also, that's all. Sounded like a bit of a bitter, green eyed comment to me, so just thought I would point out that your new hero has one also. Be careful using words such as 'effete' in connection with a Man such as Murray. I'll play by the rules of your team here and accuse you of Homophobia. He's gay, as you may or may not be aware, one of the definitions of that word is 'weak or effeminate'. If I, for example's sake, make such a characterisation of, let's say, a transgender person, you would start again with your 'look, he just can't help himself' stuff. You can't have it both ways. So an apology is due here please. To one of the other points you made. How can culture be erased. You are aware that across universities people are told that they have to agree to sign the student charter before they are allowed a platform to speak. The mantra is 'Silence is violence' so you either agree with us or we will silence you, then you are, by default, on the wrong side of the debate and are cast as being wrong and not even deemed suitable to have a platform to voice your opinion, utter madness, those rules are set up so that you either agree or are the villain of the piece. This is played out even in football, how many players have stood quietly whilst others have grovelled on their knees, I've counted precisely 0. It's happening in Hollywood, you had better watch every word, every tweet and make sure it's 'on message' or your career is over. That's how you erase culture, you replace it with your own vision. Germany 1930s anybody? Make no mistake, these are dangerous times. Make sure that history doesn't judge you to have been on the wrong side of this madness. Football does have a very warped morality, it’s almost cartoon-ish. Eg players going through the performative concern of taking the knee (I’m sure BLM would prefer a sizeable donation from the player’s wages personally) and yet I was reading today that a PL footballer has written a letter saying he wants to come out but he can’t because he fears the backlash he would get from all these right-on, socially just, footballers! There is also a socio-economic divide in terms of privileged white footballers taking the knee- their lives are so far removed from the daily struggle of poor black people, it has the feel of the royal family in Tsarist Russia going without food for one day in solidarity with the peasants who hadn’t eaten in a week. The pay structure in football is obscene, but we could do something about it. We would cancel our Sky Sports subscriptions, we would kill it dead.
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 12, 2020 15:03:26 GMT
Football does have a very warped morality, it’s almost cartoon-ish. Eg players going through the performative concern of taking the knee (I’m sure BLM would prefer a sizeable donation from the player’s wages personally) and yet I was reading today that a PL footballer has written a letter saying he wants to come out but he can’t because he fears the backlash he would get from all these right-on, socially just, footballers! There is also a socio-economic divide in terms of privileged white footballers taking the knee- their lives are so far removed from the daily struggle of poor black people, it has the feel of the royal family in Tsarist Russia going without food for one day in solidarity with the peasants who hadn’t eaten in a week. The pay structure in football is obscene, but we could do something about it. We would cancel our Sky Sports subscriptions, we would kill it dead. Would have to happen across more than the U.K. for much effect as so much of footballs income (in PL) comes from abroad. Hence the (pre CV!) pre season tours to Far East/USA etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 15:06:02 GMT
Well, that took about 5 seconds of research to kick into the long grass. Why can't you ever, just once, accept that you are wrong? Or is it that this Police officer is lying, just to make you look bad. So yet again, the entire world is wrong, and you are right. I didn't claim that HMRC didn't have a role in these raids, try reading what I wrote, I told you that they were typically in attendance. So stop making things up. You don't have an enquiring mind, you never look at any of the reports, studies, data I provide, you just decide what's right, ignore anything and everything that could challenge your presupposition and rant on about it. Except of course you are conflating non compliance of minimum wage regulations to the criminal activity involved with what is known as modern slavery. Why? Because, typically, you are barking at the dog whistle language used by our less than delightful Home Secretary Priti Patel. The essence of her article was that pay equated to £3.50 an hour, but then introduced the word slavery, for a bit of judicious "spice" As far as I am aware nobody, not even Patel, has suggested that the people working in those places are being forced to do so. By law they will have a contract of employment, by law they will have to adhere to Health & Safety legislation. All of those are under the jurisdiction of either HMRC or the local authorities. Shall we remind remind everyone of the cuts in funding to both of these? This is not about modern slavery, unless of course evidence is provided that people are forced to work there under duress. No the suggestion is that the equivalent wage being paid is far less than regulatory minimum. And that falls under the jurisdiction of HMRC. The police have enough on their plate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 15:10:23 GMT
The pay structure in football is obscene, but we could do something about it. We would cancel our Sky Sports subscriptions, we would kill it dead. Would have to happen across more than the U.K. for much effect as so much of footballs income (in PL) comes from abroad. Hence the (pre CV!) pre season tours to Far East/USA etc. Yes, perhaps. But if fans here did it and for that stated reason, it would be a massive blow to Sky. I am afraid we are heading towards the same level of obscenity witnessed in the States. This year's Super ball MVP has just been awarded to a 10 year contract worth $500 million.🤮🤮🤮
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 15:38:48 GMT
Well, that took about 5 seconds of research to kick into the long grass. Why can't you ever, just once, accept that you are wrong? Or is it that this Police officer is lying, just to make you look bad. So yet again, the entire world is wrong, and you are right. I didn't claim that HMRC didn't have a role in these raids, try reading what I wrote, I told you that they were typically in attendance. So stop making things up. You don't have an enquiring mind, you never look at any of the reports, studies, data I provide, you just decide what's right, ignore anything and everything that could challenge your presupposition and rant on about it. Except of course you are conflating non compliance of minimum wage regulations to the criminal activity involved with what is known as modern slavery. Why? Because, typically, you are barking at the dog whistle language used by our less than delightful Home Secretary Priti Patel. The essence of her article was that pay equated to £3.50 an hour, but then introduced the word slavery, for a bit of judicious "spice" As far as I am aware nobody, not even Patel, has suggested that the people working in those places are being forced to do so. By law they will have a contract of employment, by law they will have to adhere to Health & Safety legislation. All of those are under the jurisdiction of either HMRC or the local authorities. Shall we remind remind everyone of the cuts in funding to both of these? This is not about modern slavery, unless of course evidence is provided that people are forced to work there under duress. No the suggestion is that the equivalent wage being paid is far less than regulatory minimum. And that falls under the jurisdiction of HMRC. The police have enough on their plate. Just grow up and admit, just for once, that you had something wrong. All you've done here is proved that, yet again, you didn't bother watching what that Police officer said, in the example I gave it made it perfectly clear that the people were being kept there, as prisoners. All you do is stick your fingers in your ears and keep shouting louder and louder that you must be right. Completely idiotic. I would be convinced that Oldie was a forum parody character, had I not met you and know that you are exactly the same in person. This is why I mock you. You'll probably have another one of your sulks now, insult me and say that I'm not worth bothering with. My crime? Providing evidence that proves you wrong and laughing at you when you write something that makes it obvious that you haven't even bothered looking at it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 15:52:25 GMT
Football does have a very warped morality, it’s almost cartoon-ish. Eg players going through the performative concern of taking the knee (I’m sure BLM would prefer a sizeable donation from the player’s wages personally) and yet I was reading today that a PL footballer has written a letter saying he wants to come out but he can’t because he fears the backlash he would get from all these right-on, socially just, footballers! There is also a socio-economic divide in terms of privileged white footballers taking the knee- their lives are so far removed from the daily struggle of poor black people, it has the feel of the royal family in Tsarist Russia going without food for one day in solidarity with the peasants who hadn’t eaten in a week. You'll have to forgive me, I can't remember the details, but there have been a couple of 'anonymous' leaks from footballers at critical moments, one I think, from memory was around sexuality, the other something to do with race, the timing of both was 'convenient'. But you are right, Lewis Hamilton should stop posturing, if he actually wants to help, pay tax in the UK. Hopefully you get my drift there, it's the same point that I think Troy Deeney made, wearing a T-shirt shows good intentions but won't change much. Yeah Dion Dublin nailed it I feel when he was talking on football focus about the shocking racism he had received while trying to help a couple of women with a trolley. He declared that the recent protests were “just printing t-shirts” at the end of the day- ie take some action in your every day life and spending habits rather than turning up to a protest or hectoring people online to change their profile pic. I agree with him. Slacktivism vs real world action. Slacktivisim is easy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 15:55:05 GMT
Football does have a very warped morality, it’s almost cartoon-ish. Eg players going through the performative concern of taking the knee (I’m sure BLM would prefer a sizeable donation from the player’s wages personally) and yet I was reading today that a PL footballer has written a letter saying he wants to come out but he can’t because he fears the backlash he would get from all these right-on, socially just, footballers! There is also a socio-economic divide in terms of privileged white footballers taking the knee- their lives are so far removed from the daily struggle of poor black people, it has the feel of the royal family in Tsarist Russia going without food for one day in solidarity with the peasants who hadn’t eaten in a week. The pay structure in football is obscene, but we could do something about it. We would cancel our Sky Sports subscriptions, we would kill it dead. Absolutely- I’ve never given sky a penny directly for their sports packages. A friend of mine has decided to cancel his after CV as he has woken up to how they have warped the economics in the game. I think Sky are going to take a bit of a hit post CV as I understand lots of others have realised how superfluous football is to every day life really. Lots of reassessing of priorities going on.
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 13, 2020 13:06:21 GMT
It is madness, Mr Jung. On the front of the ST this morning.. the police in Leicester are too afraid of being labelled racist, to do anything about the illegal sweatshops there. People are being paid £3.50 an hour, to work in cramped, Covid friendly conditions. That`s modern slavery. And the police are too afraid of being called racist, to do anything to help the poor f**kers being exploited. How did we get in such a situation? It’s more important for the police to be seen kneeling down, dancing in carnivals or fastening their bovver boots with rainbow laces. You’ve got to see the bigger picture. I can see the bigger picture, Eric. It’s by Edvard Munch.
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 13, 2020 13:09:56 GMT
I wasn't quite sure what the problem with the Oxbridge education was supposed to be, but Starmer has one also, that's all. Sounded like a bit of a bitter, green eyed comment to me, so just thought I would point out that your new hero has one also. Be careful using words such as 'effete' in connection with a Man such as Murray. I'll play by the rules of your team here and accuse you of Homophobia. He's gay, as you may or may not be aware, one of the definitions of that word is 'weak or effeminate'. If I, for example's sake, make such a characterisation of, let's say, a transgender person, you would start again with your 'look, he just can't help himself' stuff. You can't have it both ways. So an apology is due here please. To one of the other points you made. How can culture be erased. You are aware that across universities people are told that they have to agree to sign the student charter before they are allowed a platform to speak. The mantra is 'Silence is violence' so you either agree with us or we will silence you, then you are, by default, on the wrong side of the debate and are cast as being wrong and not even deemed suitable to have a platform to voice your opinion, utter madness, those rules are set up so that you either agree or are the villain of the piece. This is played out even in football, how many players have stood quietly whilst others have grovelled on their knees, I've counted precisely 0. It's happening in Hollywood, you had better watch every word, every tweet and make sure it's 'on message' or your career is over. That's how you erase culture, you replace it with your own vision. Germany 1930s anybody? Make no mistake, these are dangerous times. Make sure that history doesn't judge you to have been on the wrong side of this madness. There is also a socio-economic divide in terms of privileged white footballers taking the knee- their lives are so far removed from the daily struggle of poor black people, it has the feel of the royal family in Tsarist Russia going without food for one day in solidarity with the peasants who hadn’t eaten in a week. What shall we do with them then? Bayonet them all, and chuck their bodies down a well?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 13:32:03 GMT
There is also a socio-economic divide in terms of privileged white footballers taking the knee- their lives are so far removed from the daily struggle of poor black people, it has the feel of the royal family in Tsarist Russia going without food for one day in solidarity with the peasants who hadn’t eaten in a week. What shall we do with them then? Bayonet them all, and chuck their bodies down a well? Ethnic Minorities?? I have heard that's been thought of before. Even tried on occasion. I understand the fact that lots on here are uncomfortable with true equality and justice, only accept such things on their terms, but not sure they would agree with the bayonet. Ridicule, Arrest, Deport, maybe. But I could be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 15:49:39 GMT
What shall we do with them then? Bayonet them all, and chuck their bodies down a well? Ethnic Minorities?? I have heard that's been thought of before. Even tried on occasion. I understand the fact that lots on here are uncomfortable with true equality and justice, only accept such things on their terms, but not sure they would agree with the bayonet. Ridicule, Arrest, Deport, maybe. But I could be wrong. Go on then, demonstrate who on here doesn't advocate for equality of opportunity. If it's equality of outcome you are saying should be argued for, then go ahead and demonstrate that it's actually helpful. But that'll require some research and an open mind, so I won't hold my breath. Another day, more groundless insults thrown around, more virtue-signalling catchphrase bingo nonsense from you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 7:24:40 GMT
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Post by baggins on Jul 19, 2020 12:51:30 GMT
Ethnic Minorities?? I have heard that's been thought of before. Even tried on occasion. I understand the fact that lots on here are uncomfortable with true equality and justice, only accept such things on their terms, but not sure they would agree with the bayonet. Ridicule, Arrest, Deport, maybe. But I could be wrong. Go on then, demonstrate who on here doesn't advocate for equality of opportunity. If it's equality of outcome you are saying should be argued for, then go ahead and demonstrate that it's actually helpful. But that'll require some research and an open mind, so I won't hold my breath. Another day, more groundless insults thrown around, more virtue-signalling catchphrase bingo nonsense from you. Equality of opportunity? Ever left the toilet seat up? Christ alive, it's like you're the devil himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 13:28:17 GMT
Go on then, demonstrate who on here doesn't advocate for equality of opportunity. If it's equality of outcome you are saying should be argued for, then go ahead and demonstrate that it's actually helpful. But that'll require some research and an open mind, so I won't hold my breath. Another day, more groundless insults thrown around, more virtue-signalling catchphrase bingo nonsense from you. Equality of opportunity? Ever left the toilet seat up? Christ alive, it's like you're the devil himself. I've seen The Full Monty, girlies can wee stood up. Stop making a fuss.
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Post by baggins on Jul 19, 2020 13:34:10 GMT
Equality of opportunity? Ever left the toilet seat up? Christ alive, it's like you're the devil himself. I've seen The Full Monty, girlies can wee stood up. Stop making a fuss. I'm never meeting you for a beer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 13:57:14 GMT
I've seen The Full Monty, girlies can wee stood up. Stop making a fuss. I'm never meeting you for a beer. No, don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 18:40:54 GMT
Go on then, demonstrate who on here doesn't advocate for equality of opportunity. If it's equality of outcome you are saying should be argued for, then go ahead and demonstrate that it's actually helpful. But that'll require some research and an open mind, so I won't hold my breath. Another day, more groundless insults thrown around, more virtue-signalling catchphrase bingo nonsense from you. Equality of opportunity? Ever left the toilet seat up? Christ alive, it's like you're the devil himself. It bugs me when people insist on leaving the toilet seat down. A bloody nuisance having to lift it up every time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 19:38:01 GMT
Equality of opportunity? Ever left the toilet seat up? Christ alive, it's like you're the devil himself. It bugs me when people insist on leaving the toilet seat down. A bloody nuisance having to lift it up every time. We live in a tyrannical matriarchy.
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Post by baggins on Jul 20, 2020 12:33:49 GMT
It bugs me when people insist on leaving the toilet seat down. A bloody nuisance having to lift it up every time. We live in a tyrannical matriarchy. Is that when men dress as women?
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