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Post by francegas on Jan 11, 2022 20:57:51 GMT
I would very much be interested to hear FG's opinion on all thisย In the general election I voted conservative, not specifically because Boris was the party leader. I have voted directly for Boris because ironically he was the tory MP for the constituency I lived in, namely Uxbridge. I vote tory because I believe in their principles like the work ethic and not being dependent on benefits because you get more on benefits than going to work. Surely those on left would agree with that!. NO I'm not using that as a sweeping statement for everyone on benefits because of course there are genuine claimants such as disability etc I mean those who choose not to go out to work. So I vote for the party not specifically the leader. In respect of the past two years of course mistakes have been made. Perhaps the government should not have listened to their scientific advisors who told them there was no need to test the elderly before moving them from hospital to care homes, but as far as I'm aware no MP is a scientist. Just one example of a mistake. In respect of Boris, initially I couldn't believe there was an outcry about frigging wall paper. There was more to worry about in the country than who paid for wall paper in his appartment, yet "Sir" Kier felt the need to do a photoshoot in his local John Lewis store.(pretty pathetic and childish I thought) HOWEVER! in respect of parties held at No10 against covid restrictions I believe this to be out of order and illegal. It should be thoroughly investigated. If found (and I think we all know the answer to this) that Boris was in attendance then he should go. (Yes Yatton I'm more than happy to say that) I feel for people who lost loved ones and couldn't be there at their passing or funeral and its disgusting that at the time 100 people were invited to a BYO in the gardens of No10. If and when Boris goes we can get someone in with better leadership qualities and ensure we don't get "Sir" Kier into No10. When Boris goes no doubt you'll be going apoplectic with rage when he gets his knighthood. Afterall a previous liar to the nation with blood on his hands has been rewarded so why shouldn't Boris. Didn't read much here about Blair receiving the Most Noble Order of the Garter (The most senior knighthood). But then he's on the left so I suppose that's OK to most on here!
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Post by yattongas on Jan 11, 2022 22:30:21 GMT
I would very much be interested to hear FG's opinion on all this In the general election I voted conservative, not specifically because Boris was the party leader. I have voted directly for Boris because ironically he was the tory MP for the constituency I lived in, namely Uxbridge. I vote tory because I believe in their principles like the work ethic and not being dependent on benefits because you get more on benefits than going to work. Surely those on left would agree with that!. NO I'm not using that as a sweeping statement for everyone on benefits because of course there are genuine claimants such as disability etc I mean those who choose not to go out to work. So I vote for the party not specifically the leader. In respect of the past two years of course mistakes have been made. Perhaps the government should not have listened to their scientific advisors who told them there was no need to test the elderly before moving them from hospital to care homes, but as far as I'm aware no MP is a scientist. Just one example of a mistake. In respect of Boris, initially I couldn't believe there was an outcry about frigging wall paper. There was more to worry about in the country than who paid for wall paper in his appartment, yet "Sir" Kier felt the need to do a photoshoot in his local John Lewis store.(pretty pathetic and childish I thought) HOWEVER! in respect of parties held at No10 against covid restrictions I believe this to be out of order and illegal. It should be thoroughly investigated. If found (and I think we all know the answer to this) that Boris was in attendance then he should go. (Yes Yatton I'm more than happy to say that) I feel for people who lost loved ones and couldn't be there at their passing or funeral and its disgusting that at the time 100 people were invited to a BYO in the gardens of No10. If and when Boris goes we can get someone in with better leadership qualities and ensure we don't get "Sir" Kier into No10. When Boris goes no doubt you'll be going apoplectic with rage when he gets his knighthood. Afterall a previous liar to the nation with blood on his hands has been rewarded so why shouldn't Boris. Didn't read much here about Blair receiving the Most Noble Order of the Garter (The most senior knighthood). But then he's on the left so I suppose that's OK to most on here! Youโre getting there slowly but surely France , still managed to slip in a bit of whataboutery! ๐๐
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 11, 2022 23:05:36 GMT
Blairs a war criminal. I think we are pretty unanimously agreed on that here from previous discussions. Heck, even Stu got off the fence for that one I think!
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 12, 2022 0:55:52 GMT
Blairs a war criminal. I think we are pretty unanimously agreed on that here from previous discussions. Heck, even Stu got off the fence for that one I think! I suppose I may have done, then again perhaps not. ๐ค
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Post by baggins on Jan 12, 2022 5:38:20 GMT
Blairs a war criminal. I think we are pretty unanimously agreed on that here from previous discussions. Heck, even Stu got off the fence for that one I think! Explain that to me. He was our Prime Minister, I get that. But the US are and were our Allies from as far back as WW1 right? They asked us, to join them in the conflict that they were going to be involved in. We agreed. Blair must have received information from the experts, the Yanks', ours, he wouldn't have gone out their himself right? Do bad decisions based on poor information make you a war criminal?
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Post by oldie on Jan 12, 2022 7:22:41 GMT
Blairs a war criminal. I think we are pretty unanimously agreed on that here from previous discussions. Heck, even Stu got off the fence for that one I think! Explain that to me.ย He was our Prime Minister,ย I get that.ย But the US are and were our Allies from as far back as WW1 right?ย They asked us,ย to join them in the conflict that they were going to be involved in.ย We agreed.ย Blair must have received information from the experts, the Yanks',ย ours,ย he wouldn't have gone out their himself right? Do bad decisions based on poor information make you a war criminal? The suspicion was always that there was zero evidence to support the claim that Iraq supported Al-Queda (the opposite was true) nor that there was any evidence for weapons of mass destruction, that bit was made up. On that basis there was no basis for the invasion other than to further sate the American desire for bloody revenge for 9/11. Who knows why Blair agreed to partner the Americans in doing that, apart from being stroked by Bush.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 12, 2022 7:32:29 GMT
Blairs a war criminal. I think we are pretty unanimously agreed on that here from previous discussions. Heck, even Stu got off the fence for that one I think! Explain that to me.ย He was our Prime Minister,ย I get that.ย But the US are and were our Allies from as far back as WW1 right?ย They asked us,ย to join them in the conflict that they were going to be involved in.ย We agreed.ย Blair must have received information from the experts, the Yanks',ย ours,ย he wouldn't have gone out their himself right? Do bad decisions based on poor information make you a war criminal? He backed America knowing the information on WMDs was weak at best, fabricated at worst. Look up Dodgy Dossier and Sexing up WMDs for more info. Blair is a liar and a war criminal. f**k his knighthood and f**k the Queen.
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Post by oldie on Jan 12, 2022 7:34:56 GMT
Explain that to me.ย He was our Prime Minister,ย I get that.ย But the US are and were our Allies from as far back as WW1 right?ย They asked us,ย to join them in the conflict that they were going to be involved in.ย We agreed.ย Blair must have received information from the experts, the Yanks',ย ours,ย he wouldn't have gone out their himself right? Do bad decisions based on poor information make you a war criminal? He backed America knowing the information on WMDs was weak at best, fabricated at worst. Look up Dodgy Dossier and Sexing up WMDs for more info. Blair is a liar and a war criminal. f**k his knighthood and f**k the Queen. ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ Careful, the nationalists will be apoplectic over that comment
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Post by baggins on Jan 12, 2022 7:36:37 GMT
Explain that to me. He was our Prime Minister, I get that. But the US are and were our Allies from as far back as WW1 right? They asked us, to join them in the conflict that they were going to be involved in. We agreed. Blair must have received information from the experts, the Yanks', ours, he wouldn't have gone out their himself right? Do bad decisions based on poor information make you a war criminal? The suspicion was always that there was zero evidence to support the claim that Iraq supported Al-Queda (the opposite was true) nor that there was any evidence for weapons of mass destruction, that bit was made up. On that basis there was no basis for the invasion other than to further sate the American desire for bloody revenge for 9/11. Who knows why Blair agreed to partner the Americans in doing that, apart from being stroked by Bush. If all the US actually wanted was bloody revenge for 9/11, they could have flattened the entire Country in an afternoon.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 12, 2022 7:40:22 GMT
The suspicion was always that there was zero evidence to support the claim that Iraq supported Al-Queda (the opposite was true) nor that there was any evidence for weapons of mass destruction, that bit was made up. On that basis there was no basis for the invasion other than to further sate the American desire for bloody revenge for 9/11. Who knows why Blair agreed to partner the Americans in doing that, apart from being stroked by Bush. If all the US actually wanted was bloody revenge for 9/11,ย they could have flattened the entire Country in an afternoon. Neither Russia nor the US have been successful in Afghanistan.
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Post by oldie on Jan 12, 2022 8:48:23 GMT
The suspicion was always that there was zero evidence to support the claim that Iraq supported Al-Queda (the opposite was true) nor that there was any evidence for weapons of mass destruction, that bit was made up. On that basis there was no basis for the invasion other than to further sate the American desire for bloody revenge for 9/11. Who knows why Blair agreed to partner the Americans in doing that, apart from being stroked by Bush. If all the US actually wanted was bloody revenge for 9/11,ย they could have flattened the entire Country in an afternoon. Technically yes. But they would have killed 10s of millions of innocent people. The American population would never have supported that.
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Post by baggins on Jan 12, 2022 11:07:32 GMT
If all the US actually wanted was bloody revenge for 9/11,ย they could have flattened the entire Country in an afternoon. Technically yes. But they would have killed 10s of millions of innocent people. The American population would never have supported that. So why did the US, and us go in then? If was purely for retribution for 911, I can understand that.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 12, 2022 11:55:06 GMT
Technically yes. But they would have killed 10s of millions of innocent people. The American population would never have supported that. So why did the US, and us go in then? If was purely for retribution for 911, I can understand that. Oil.
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Post by baggins on Jan 12, 2022 12:15:27 GMT
So why did the US, and us go in then? If was purely for retribution for 911, I can understand that. Oil. Nope, got enough of their own, and the wealth to be able to buy whatever they need elsewhere. And now the conflict is over, do the US now own the oil fields over there?
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Post by baggins on Jan 12, 2022 12:27:01 GMT
Changing the subject. We taking bets in the fat lying piece of sh** getting away with the Party farce?
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Post by baggins on Jan 12, 2022 12:36:04 GMT
If all the US actually wanted was bloody revenge for 9/11,ย they could have flattened the entire Country in an afternoon. Technically yes. But they would have killed 10s of millions of innocent people. The American population would never have supported that. Went to War with Japan for less.
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Post by francegas on Jan 12, 2022 12:49:33 GMT
Changing the subject. We taking bets in the fat lying piece of sh** getting away with the Party farce? Why what's "Sir" Kier been up to now ? ๐๐๐
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Post by baggins on Jan 12, 2022 12:55:07 GMT
Changing the subject. We taking bets in the fat lying piece of sh** getting away with the Party farce? Why what's "Sir" Kier been up to now ? ๐๐๐ Don't you start with that.๐
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Post by yattongas on Jan 12, 2022 22:54:47 GMT
Oops ๐ฌ
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Post by oldie on Jan 13, 2022 1:50:38 GMT
I do wonder if Johnson will stumble on until the May local elections. On current trends the Tories are going to be hammered. On top of Johnson's outrageous "entitled" behaviour, does anyone else get the feeling there is some very dirty laundry behind some of the Covid related contracts issued over the last two years? If evidence is uncovered of Tories and their supporters have been lining their pockets the electorate will punish them on the same scale as 1997. IF...Labour can appear competent. That's a big if...
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