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Post by popuppirate on Jan 26, 2022 20:24:10 GMT
Very convenient timing, now the Sue Gray report will be on hold. Blatant corruption at all levels, to think we used to laugh and sneer at other countries and their scandals I don't think the Met Police or Sue Gray are corrupt in terms of this investigation. I'm not sure about this, of course. Just guessing really. Boris and No. 10, however, are a different kettle of fish. Cynical, lying, manipulative hypocritical bar stewards, who are playing one investigation off against another in a desperate attempt to avoid publishing anything which will embarrass them until the heat does down and we have declared war on Putin. If necessary. Just guessing, again. Where have the Met been though, these last 18 months or whatever it's been? I don't buy for one minute that these parties are news to them, or the media for that matter. They've had their hand forced and are acting through sheer embarrassment. They're complicit. As for Gray, we'll see I suppose. But this report is being written by someone who is an employee of many supposedly implicated, senior Civil Servants and Johnson himself.
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Post by aghast on Jan 26, 2022 21:34:33 GMT
I don't think the Met Police or Sue Gray are corrupt in terms of this investigation. I'm not sure about this, of course. Just guessing really. Boris and No. 10, however, are a different kettle of fish. Cynical, lying, manipulative hypocritical bar stewards, who are playing one investigation off against another in a desperate attempt to avoid publishing anything which will embarrass them until the heat does down and we have declared war on Putin. If necessary. Just guessing, again. Where have the Met been though, these last 18 months or whatever it's been? I don't buy for one minute that these parties are news to them, or the media for that matter. They've had their hand forced and are acting through sheer embarrassment. They're complicit. As for Gray, we'll see I suppose. But this report is being written by someone who is an employee of many supposedly implicated, senior Civil Servants and Johnson himself. You're probably right on both counts. Certainly it seems odd to recruit a Permanent Secretary in the Cabinet Office to conduct an investigation. She may well be decent and honest, but she's hardly independent or distanced from it all. They used to appoint crotchety old Law Lords and the like to do these things, presumably thinking they'd toe the Establishment line, but maybe in recent years that kind of person has been surprisingly forthright and critical of government in inquiries. I don't know. It's all one big corrupt club really in their circles.
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Post by popuppirate on Jan 26, 2022 22:14:18 GMT
Where have the Met been though, these last 18 months or whatever it's been? I don't buy for one minute that these parties are news to them, or the media for that matter. They've had their hand forced and are acting through sheer embarrassment. They're complicit. As for Gray, we'll see I suppose. But this report is being written by someone who is an employee of many supposedly implicated, senior Civil Servants and Johnson himself. You're probably right on both counts. Certainly it seems odd to recruit a Permanent Secretary in the Cabinet Office to conduct an investigation. She may well be decent and honest, but she's hardly independent or distanced from it all. They used to appoint crotchety old Law Lords and the like to do these things, presumably thinking they'd toe the Establishment line, but maybe in recent years that kind of person has been surprisingly forthright and critical of government in inquiries. I don't know. It's all one big corrupt club really in their circles. I hope I'm not right really. The scale of it boggles the mind and could easily lead to wild conspiracy theories. It's why I have some sympathy for pirate and their views, not the detail, but the complete mistrust of everything we're fed. It's little wonder that theories spiral beyond reason
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Post by yattongas on Jan 27, 2022 13:06:14 GMT
Go Liz ! 🇬🇧
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Post by baggins on Jan 27, 2022 13:18:26 GMT
How on earth that useless Woman has a job of any kind is beyond me.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 27, 2022 13:40:25 GMT
How on earth that useless Woman has a job of any kind is beyond me. Tory membership love her…. The new Maggie ( with her new lower voice ). 🙄
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 27, 2022 13:49:57 GMT
How on earth that useless Woman has a job of any kind is beyond me. That's our next PM, Bags, what's not to like? đź¤
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 27, 2022 13:50:41 GMT
The whole point of refitting that aircraft was to save money, apparently.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 27, 2022 13:52:51 GMT
How on earth that useless Woman has a job of any kind is beyond me. That's our next PM, Bags, what's not to like? 🤠Former Lib Dem , former remainer ( up until she abandoned all her principles and became a full on Brexit loon ) 🙄
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 27, 2022 13:57:46 GMT
That's our next PM, Bags, what's not to like? 🤠Former Lib Dem , former remainer ( up until she abandoned all her principles and became a full on Brexit loon ) 🙄 100% behind Boris too, compared to Sunak who hasn’t and now has received some criticism of late. Revelling in trade deals, NI Protocol discussions and now Russia.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 27, 2022 14:02:44 GMT
Anyone also noticed how Rees-Mogg has been in a cage for over a year until suddenly the government is desperate to change the headlines, create delays & distractions.
Suddenly his idiotic headlines are everywhere
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Post by yattongas on Jan 27, 2022 14:05:54 GMT
Anyone also noticed how Rees-Mogg has been in a cage for over a year until suddenly the government is desperate to change the headlines, create delays & distractions. Suddenly his idiotic headlines are everywhere Over the last week or so all they could get to do the media were , sryrup Fabricant, Bonehead, Rees Smug and Nasty Dorries
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 27, 2022 14:19:00 GMT
Anyone also noticed how Rees-Mogg has been in a cage for over a year until suddenly the government is desperate to change the headlines, create delays & distractions. Suddenly his idiotic headlines are everywhere Over the last week or so all they could get to do the media were , sryrup Fabricant, Bonehead, Rees Smug and Nasty Dorries It's to remind the public that there are even more obnoxious MPs than Boris and we should therefore be careful what we wish for.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 27, 2022 14:23:57 GMT
In summary today, Boris continues to deny stories about the animal flights out if Afghanistan, Zac Goldsmith is therefore in trouble; hints at NI increases being delayed, Sue Gray's report will be published in full ASAP.
Oh, and Labour have a 9 point lead.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 27, 2022 14:32:28 GMT
In summary today, Boris continues to deny stories about the animal flights out if Afghanistan, Zac Goldsmith is therefore in trouble; hints at NI increases being delayed, Sue Gray's report will be published in full ASAP. Oh, and Labour have a 9 point lead. I’ve seen polling giving just a 4 point lead when the don’t know option is taken away. If Johnson is denying ( total rhubarb) the Afghan flights , that confirms 100% he did sanction it.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 27, 2022 14:33:17 GMT
In summary today, Boris continues to deny stories about the animal flights out if Afghanistan, Zac Goldsmith is therefore in trouble; hints at NI increases being delayed, Sue Gray's report will be published in full ASAP. Oh, and Labour have a 9 point lead. I’ve seen polling giving just a 4 point lead when the don’t know option is taken away. If Johnson is denying ( total rhubarb) the Afghan flights , that confirms 100% he did sanction it.Â
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 15:49:55 GMT
You're probably right on both counts. Certainly it seems odd to recruit a Permanent Secretary in the Cabinet Office to conduct an investigation. She may well be decent and honest, but she's hardly independent or distanced from it all. They used to appoint crotchety old Law Lords and the like to do these things, presumably thinking they'd toe the Establishment line, but maybe in recent years that kind of person has been surprisingly forthright and critical of government in inquiries. I don't know. It's all one big corrupt club really in their circles. I hope I'm not right really. The scale of it boggles the mind and could easily lead to wild conspiracy theories. It's why I have some sympathy for pirate and their views, not the detail, but the complete mistrust of everything we're fed. It's little wonder that theories spiral beyond reason Living in this 'privileged' country gives people the opportunity to be so ridiculously naive that they can't even comprehend a threat like a deadly pandemic. They only see things with their own feelings and emotions. There's no critical thought from them at all, because they've never needed to use it.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 27, 2022 17:42:04 GMT
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 27, 2022 22:25:54 GMT
Haven't read the link, but I don't have an issue with that in principle. If there are unskilled jobs available then people should have to work instead of claiming benefits. For those unable to work, fair enough but not working should not be a lifestyle choice. Working wages may need to be looked at because it should be more financially rewarding to work, than to not, wherever possible.
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Post by axegas on Jan 27, 2022 22:40:27 GMT
Haven't read the link, but I don't have an issue with that in principle. If there are unskilled jobs available then people should have to work instead of claiming benefits. For those unable to work, fair enough but not working should not be a lifestyle choice. Working wages may need to be looked at because it should be more financially rewarding to work, than to not, wherever possible. Does it help the economy to rush people into jobs that don’t match their skills and interests, knowing that they’re more likely to be in them for a lesser amount of time, then will be claiming welfare benefits afterwards again. Than to provide more support and give them more time to find jobs that do, which they’re more likely to stay in for longer? Does it help employers that their recruitment pool is reduced, because possible candidates that have left similar jobs are now working in a lesser paid, lesser skilled jobs because they were forced to in order to pay their bills? We’re in a climate where lots of jobs are on the market, but that won’t last forever. Then what? We punish people for not finding a job within 4 weeks when the likelihood of actually getting one within 4 weeks that’s not a low paid one is slim? I see the principle of what you’re saying and I think it’s vitally important to society and the economy that these surplus jobs are filled. It’s a question I genuinely don’t know the answer to and the sort of thing that could do with a commissioned study looking into it.
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