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Post by stuart1974 on May 29, 2022 18:05:39 GMT
Didn't want to derail the Play Off thread, but how's this playing your side of the Channel, FG? I see Nadine is asking for an investigation too.
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Post by gashead79 on May 29, 2022 19:46:57 GMT
I do not understand American politics to be honest. Candidates are well into their late sixties or early seventies before they even run for office. They are bankrolled by big pharma/NRA etcetera so shamelessly that the entire system is utterly corrupt. The news media does not even pretend to be neutral. If you are not able to find anti-Biden information I would suggest you are just looking in the wrong place. There is no way Fox news will not cover that. I have to be honest, I did laugh at GH79's response to me. Why did you laugh? I clearly said that OUR media wasn't interested in Biden, so the Fox news piece is irrelevant. I even acknowledged the fact that you seem to be well placed to offer value but you just laughed? Nice one. Just laugh yourself away Why don't you?
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Post by oldie on May 29, 2022 20:51:25 GMT
I have to be honest, I did laugh at GH79's response to me. Why did you laugh? I clearly said that OUR media wasn't interested in Biden, so the Fox news piece is irrelevant. I even acknowledged the fact that you seem to be well placed to offer value but you just laughed? Nice one. Just laugh yourself away Why don't you? Emmm Well comments like this "Steering this back. My point was on biased media and Trump being a prime example. If Biden was a Republican, our media would have him on everyday taking g swipes at his inability to string a sentence, do his own laces up or swallow his own spit!" That's not really a mature comment is it. I think Biden is featured quite a lot on British media, especially since the issues in Ukraine and last year over Afghanistan. As I recall Biden was widely criticized over the Afghan withdrawal, both in the media and by our own military. But this is critique based upon policy decisions. Trump just shouts utter nonsense so is laughed at. In fact, looking back, I cannot think of one policy that he articulated (stop laughing at the back) that amounted to anything coherent, during his tenure. In those circumstances you really cannot fault those that do laugh at him.
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Post by yattongas on May 29, 2022 21:08:11 GMT
Emmm Well comments like this "Steering this back. My point was on biased media and Trump being a prime example. If Biden was a Republican, our media would have him on everyday taking g swipes at his inability to string a sentence, do his own laces up or swallow his own spit!" That's not really a mature comment is it. I think Biden is featured quite a lot on British media, especially since the issues in Ukraine and last year over Afghanistan. As I recall Biden was widely criticized over the Afghan withdrawal, both in the media and by our own military. But this is critique based upon policy decisions. Trump just shouts utter nonsense so is laughed at. In fact, looking back, I cannot think of one policy that he articulated (stop laughing at the back) that amounted to anything coherent, during his tenure. In those circumstances you really cannot fault those that do laugh at him. He did sort out Kim jong-un ( rocket man ) though remember? 😂
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Post by oldie on May 29, 2022 21:11:06 GMT
He did sort out Kim jong-un ( rocket man ) though remember? 😂 Ha ha, indeed.
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Post by gashead79 on May 29, 2022 21:22:11 GMT
Emmm Well comments like this "Steering this back. My point was on biased media and Trump being a prime example. If Biden was a Republican, our media would have him on everyday taking g swipes at his inability to string a sentence, do his own laces up or swallow his own spit!" That's not really a mature comment is it. I think Biden is featured quite a lot on British media, especially since the issues in Ukraine and last year over Afghanistan. As I recall Biden was widely criticized over the Afghan withdrawal, both in the media and by our own military. But this is critique based upon policy decisions. Trump just shouts utter nonsense so is laughed at. In fact, looking back, I cannot think of one policy that he articulated (stop laughing at the back) that amounted to anything coherent, during his tenure. In those circumstances you really cannot fault those that do laugh at him. Biden is not featured in British news anything like Trump was! Come off it. Bearing in mind your roots in the US and I've said I have 'some' exp there, you must admit that the country did ok during Trumps term? I spoke with many very happy Americans whilst Trump was pulling the strings.
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Post by gashead79 on May 29, 2022 21:58:40 GMT
He did sort out Kim jong-un ( rocket man ) though remember? 😂 Compared with other presidents? Like it or not, the POTUS is our greatest ally and a Republican one is good forvour interests.
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Post by gashead79 on May 29, 2022 22:12:15 GMT
How anyone could seriously consider voting for Trump again after the jan 6th insurrection, his handling of covid ( kung flu ) , his complete denial of the legitimate election result , his support of the NRA and gun laws , his mocking of disabled people amongst all his other many and obvious failings amazes me . American politics is even more polarised than over here . You pick a side and that’s it… you support your side no matter what . I just can’t see the appeal of voting for the right side of the political divide here or especially over there . I’ll never understand it . Each to their own I guess but it just baffles me. "I just can’t see the appeal of voting for the right side of the political divide here or especially over there . I’ll never understand it" Then you are in for a long and misunderstanding life. There's 300m+ people living in the US so it's up to you to understand why lots of people vote for the right. That is if you even care and tbh I doubt you do. In this country its more fluid, left/right isn't as clear cut as it was.
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Post by yattongas on May 29, 2022 22:28:55 GMT
How anyone could seriously consider voting for Trump again after the jan 6th insurrection, his handling of covid ( kung flu ) , his complete denial of the legitimate election result , his support of the NRA and gun laws , his mocking of disabled people amongst all his other many and obvious failings amazes me . American politics is even more polarised than over here . You pick a side and that’s it… you support your side no matter what . I just can’t see the appeal of voting for the right side of the political divide here or especially over there . I’ll never understand it . Each to their own I guess but it just baffles me. "I just can’t see the appeal of voting for the right side of the political divide here or especially over there . I’ll never understand it" Then you are in for a long and misunderstanding life. There's 300m+ people living in the US so it's up to you to understand why lots of people vote for the right. That is if you even care and tbh I doubt you do. In this country its more fluid, left/right isn't as clear cut as it was. Thanks for the life lessons 🙄
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Post by stuart1974 on May 29, 2022 22:59:44 GMT
Compared with other presidents? Like it or not, the POTUS is our greatest ally and a Republican one is good forvour interests. Our interests are best served when the President and PM have a good personal relationship and a shared goal, regardless of which party they are from.
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Post by fintanstack on May 30, 2022 5:26:27 GMT
I have to be honest, I did laugh at GH79's response to me. Why did you laugh? I clearly said that OUR media wasn't interested in Biden, so the Fox news piece is irrelevant. I even acknowledged the fact that you seem to be well placed to offer value but you just laughed? Nice one. Just laugh yourself away Why don't you? It is true that our media do not focus on Biden as much as they did Trump. Probably because he is not quite as divisive/controversial as Trump. You want to see media bias, whereas I see a rather lame President steadying the ship after four years of chaos. Other than Bush Jn who also drew headlines because of wars and gaffs I do not recall US politics being covered any differently.
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Post by oldie on May 30, 2022 6:28:08 GMT
Biden is not featured in British news anything like Trump was! Come off it. Bearing in mind your roots in the US and I've said I have 'some' exp there, you must admit that the country did ok during Trumps term? I spoke with many very happy Americans whilst Trump was pulling the strings. No I do not accept that at all. For example "One of President Donald Trump’s lesser known but profoundly damaging legacies will be the explosive rise in the national debt that occurred on his watch. The financial burden that he’s inflicted on our government will wreak havoc for decades, saddling our kids and grandkids with debt." And "The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump’s time in office. That’s nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country." And before you blame the pandemic "Economists agree that we needed massive deficit spending during the COVID-19 crisis to ward off an economic cataclysm, but federal finances under Trump had become dire even before the pandemic. That happened even though the economy was booming and unemployment was at historically low levels. By the Trump administration’s own description, the pre-pandemic national debt level was already a “crisis” and a “grave threat.” Plus "When Trump took office in January 2017, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office was projecting that federal budget deficits would be 2% to 3% of our gross domestic product during Trump’s term. Instead, the deficit reached nearly 4% of gross domestic product in 2018 and 4.6% in 2019." Finally "Trump had the third-biggest primary deficit growth, 5.2% of GDP, behind only George W. Bush (11.7%) and Abraham Lincoln (9.4%). Bush, of course, not only passed a big tax cut, as Trump has, but also launched two wars, which greatly inflated the defense budget. Lincoln had to pay for the Civil War. By contrast, Trump’s wars have been almost entirely of the political variety." So go on GH79, stop parroting the MAGA propaganda and explain the detail of your claim that Trump was good for America. Go on.
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Post by oldie on May 30, 2022 6:34:57 GMT
Just to add to the point about Trump's ruinous deficit spending, which btw also shows that the Laffer Curve theory is ridiculous, it will be my grandkids and beyond who will be paying that off.
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Post by gashead79 on May 30, 2022 10:47:56 GMT
No I do not accept that at all. For example "One of President Donald Trump’s lesser known but profoundly damaging legacies will be the explosive rise in the national debt that occurred on his watch. The financial burden that he’s inflicted on our government will wreak havoc for decades, saddling our kids and grandkids with debt." And "The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump’s time in office. That’s nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country." And before you blame the pandemic "Economists agree that we needed massive deficit spending during the COVID-19 crisis to ward off an economic cataclysm, but federal finances under Trump had become dire even before the pandemic. That happened even though the economy was booming and unemployment was at historically low levels. By the Trump administration’s own description, the pre-pandemic national debt level was already a “crisis” and a “grave threat.” Plus "When Trump took office in January 2017, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office was projecting that federal budget deficits would be 2% to 3% of our gross domestic product during Trump’s term. Instead, the deficit reached nearly 4% of gross domestic product in 2018 and 4.6% in 2019." Finally "Trump had the third-biggest primary deficit growth, 5.2% of GDP, behind only George W. Bush (11.7%) and Abraham Lincoln (9.4%). Bush, of course, not only passed a big tax cut, as Trump has, but also launched two wars, which greatly inflated the defense budget. Lincoln had to pay for the Civil War. By contrast, Trump’s wars have been almost entirely of the political variety." So go on GH79, stop parroting the MAGA propaganda and explain the detail of your claim that Trump was good for America. Go on. Jesus, you are lofty! I'm not parroting anything since I don't study American politics like you clearly claim to. Get over yourself man. Like I said previously, I have lived with Americans, I have been to the states many times and have family there. The POVs and opinion here from me is just that, based on my experience. I said Trump did ok, you could pull your stats out for any president/PM or leader to makes things look good or bad. Of course you won't as seemingly too interested in death by detail over loose debate on a footy forum.
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Post by gashead79 on May 30, 2022 10:49:36 GMT
"I just can’t see the appeal of voting for the right side of the political divide here or especially over there . I’ll never understand it" Then you are in for a long and misunderstanding life. There's 300m+ people living in the US so it's up to you to understand why lots of people vote for the right. That is if you even care and tbh I doubt you do. In this country its more fluid, left/right isn't as clear cut as it was. Thanks for the life lessons 🙄 No problem. Thanks again for your valued response and accompanying emoji. 300m+ in the US and you don't understand.. I cant help you sorry. Ask Oldie.
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Post by yattongas on May 30, 2022 10:51:54 GMT
Thanks for the life lessons 🙄 No problem. Thanks again for your valued response and accompanying emoji. 300m+ in the US and you don't understand.. I cant help you sorry. Ask Oldie. The best bit is you really think you’re a clever clogs ! 😂👍
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Post by gashead79 on May 30, 2022 10:52:04 GMT
Just to add to the point about Trump's ruinous deficit spending, which btw also shows that the Laffer Curve theory is ridiculous, it will be my grandkids and beyond who will be paying that off. Ah yeah, the Laffer Curve theory. I've got no idea but I'm sure the lapdog is finding twitter posts to back you up.
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Post by gashead79 on May 30, 2022 10:53:02 GMT
No problem. Thanks again for your valued response and accompanying emoji. 300m+ in the US and you don't understand.. I cant help you sorry. Ask Oldie. The best bit is you really think you’re a clever clogs ! 😂👍 Right? How so?
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Post by yattongas on May 30, 2022 11:01:41 GMT
The best bit is you really think you’re a clever clogs ! 😂👍 Right? How so? Don’t worry yourself. Have a good day chap 😁
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Post by oldie on May 30, 2022 11:08:50 GMT
Jesus, you are lofty! I'm not parroting anything since I don't study American politics like you clearly claim to. Get over yourself man. Like I said previously, I have lived with Americans, I have been to the states many times and have family there. The POVs and opinion here from me is just that, based on my experience. I said Trump did ok, you could pull your stats out for any president/PM or leader to makes things look good or bad. Of course you won't as seemingly too interested in death by detail over loose debate on a footy forum. Well Excuse me for quoting detail, facts. It appears to me GH 79 that you make a claim, it is refuted not by opinion but facts, whereupon you become uppity. Anyway.
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