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Post by trevorgas on Jun 6, 2022 10:01:13 GMT
There usually pretty ruthless,any views on a successor. If they get someone credible it's danger time for Labour,who have only profitted due to incompetence etc ,not because of a brilliant vision/strategy for the future of this Country. It’s got to be better than the Tory party and Brexit policy that had totally wrecked this country . To think …. There’s posters on here who thought it was a good idea 🙄 Hope so unfortunately the last year's of Blair/Brown didn't go well so it has to be much better than that,as for Brexit a choice was made on what was presented and I respect their right to that without I told you so afterwards.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 6, 2022 10:39:16 GMT
It’s got to be better than the Tory party and Brexit policy that had totally wrecked this country . To think …. There’s posters on here who thought it was a good idea 🙄 Hope so unfortunately the last year's of Blair/Brown didn't go well so it has to be much better than that,as for Brexit a choice was made on what was presented and I respect their right to that without I told you so afterwards. Would that be the reneged on single market access, oven ready deal that didn't exist or get Brexit done that still hasn't been? 😇 To answer your question, not really sure and that is largely why Boris will survive, at least in the short term. Personally I think our economic relationship with the EU, cost of living and Ukraine are the main issues (aside from NHS, environment, etc). It would need someone with a 'heart' as well as a bit of financial understanding. Add to that the ability to deal with leaders on the international stage to rally efforts against Russia. Not easy and probably no obvious candidates yet emerging.
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 6, 2022 10:53:21 GMT
Hope so unfortunately the last year's of Blair/Brown didn't go well so it has to be much better than that,as for Brexit a choice was made on what was presented and I respect their right to that without I told you so afterwards. Would that be the reneged on single market access, oven ready deal that didn't exist or get Brexit done that still hasn't been? 😇 To answer your question, not really sure and that is largely why Boris will survive, at least in the short term. Personally I think our economic relationship with the EU, cost of living and Ukraine are the main issues (aside from NHS, environment, etc). It would need someone with a 'heart' as well as a bit of financial understanding. Add to that the ability to deal with leaders on the international stage to rally efforts against Russia. Not easy and probably no obvious candidates yet emerging. Sort of agree, Ukraine I think we're being as effective as we can without declaring all out war,cost of living is a global issue exacerbated by Ukraine,agree re EU,however my fear is if we attempt to rejoin elements we will be made to pay over and above. Agree no obvious Candidate,it might be someone relatively unknown like Cam er roooooon was!!
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Post by Gassy on Jun 6, 2022 11:03:54 GMT
I hope they do not. He is the best chance Labour has. That says a lot about labour then! I agree. It says even more about how brain washed the country is though
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 6, 2022 11:07:01 GMT
That says a lot about labour then! I agree. It says even more about how brain washed the country is though I don't think most people are interested as you couldn't put a fag paper between the partys,hence the low turnouts.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 6, 2022 11:10:45 GMT
take this with a pinch of salt, because the timing would be convenient, but
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Post by Gassy on Jun 6, 2022 11:20:55 GMT
I agree. It says even more about how brain washed the country is though I don't think most people are interested as you couldn't put a fag paper between the partys,hence the low turnouts. Based on the by-election turnout?
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 6, 2022 12:21:47 GMT
I don't think most people are interested as you couldn't put a fag paper between the partys,hence the low turnouts. Based on the by-election turnout? Yep and some recent GEs although the last one was I think around 65%,historically they have been much lower.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 6, 2022 13:13:23 GMT
Based on the by-election turnout? Yep and some recent GEs although the last one was I think around 65%,historically they have been much lower. Tbf I think the local elections only had a 1% decrease in turnout? If the Tories didn’t call an election or vote of leader every 2 years then perhaps the electorate would be more bothered to vote. It gets very repetitive having an unstable government.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 6, 2022 14:00:03 GMT
Fratricide. Not good for government and more importantly, for the country.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 6, 2022 14:07:17 GMT
Nicked from Beth Rigby's twitter.
"PM has c160 MPs on payroll and c200 backbench MPs. So losing support of 100+ MPs means PM has lost support of majority to his backbenches. When TM lost 117 votes JRM said a “terrible result & she should resign”. For PM, JRM says he only needs to win by one vote to stay"
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Post by yattongas on Jun 6, 2022 14:24:05 GMT
Nicked from Beth Rigby's twitter. "PM has c160 MPs on payroll and c200 backbench MPs. So losing support of 100+ MPs means PM has lost support of majority to his backbenches. When TM lost 117 votes JRM said a “terrible result & she should resign”. For PM, JRM says he only needs to win by one vote to stay" Only 90 have publicly declared support so far , quite a bit lower than did for May at this stage I believe. Im starting to get the impression this vote could actually be closer than I thought 🤞
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 6, 2022 14:45:43 GMT
Yep and some recent GEs although the last one was I think around 65%,historically they have been much lower. Tbf I think the local elections only had a 1% decrease in turnout? If the Tories didn’t call an election or vote of leader every 2 years then perhaps the electorate would be more bothered to vote. It gets very repetitive having an unstable government. I My take is that a very big part of the electorate are totally disinterested,whoever you vote you get the same incompetence and for us ordinary folk not a lot changes,plus talent wise most of our politicians appear 2nd rate .
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 6, 2022 14:57:31 GMT
Nicked from Beth Rigby's twitter. "PM has c160 MPs on payroll and c200 backbench MPs. So losing support of 100+ MPs means PM has lost support of majority to his backbenches. When TM lost 117 votes JRM said a “terrible result & she should resign”. For PM, JRM says he only needs to win by one vote to stay" Only 90 have publicly declared support so far , quite a bit lower than did for May at this stage I believe. Im starting to get the impression this vote could actually be closer than I thought 🤞 The problem is the Office of Prime Minster now stands for lies and cheating not Truth and Integrity as it should. It will take years to rebuild trust and we are all the poorer for it.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 6, 2022 15:10:01 GMT
Only 90 have publicly declared support so far , quite a bit lower than did for May at this stage I believe. Im starting to get the impression this vote could actually be closer than I thought 🤞 The problem is the Office of Prime Minster now stands for lies and cheating not Truth and Integrity as it should. It will take years to rebuild trust and we are all the poorer for it. Agreed . It does annoy me though when people trot out the line that all politicians are the same and they all lie . No they’re not all the same and nobody has ever lied this PM and this bunch of immoral incompetents .
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Post by yattongas on Jun 6, 2022 15:22:01 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Jun 6, 2022 17:54:28 GMT
141 publicly said they'll back him. Only 39 to stay, probably enough to do it
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Post by baggins on Jun 6, 2022 17:59:59 GMT
141 publicly said they'll back him. Only 39 to stay, probably enough to do it So he'll be here for a while then.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 6, 2022 18:24:20 GMT
141 publicly said they'll back him. Only 39 to stay, probably enough to do it Would you trust a Tory MP ? 😂
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Post by peterparker on Jun 6, 2022 18:52:26 GMT
Sounds as if Johnson's gambit was to say there is a big speech coming on the economy.
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