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Post by peterparker on Jun 24, 2022 7:24:35 GMT
absolute walloping in Tiverton Oliver Dowden resigns, but Boris will no doubt carry on as if nothing has happened Expect the 1922 committee to be on manoeuvres soon
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Post by yattongas on Jun 24, 2022 7:35:15 GMT
Brexit voting Tiverton & Honiton elects openly pro EU LidDem candidate 😂👍
Eppinggas ……
Update: Jo Cox's old constituency. Maybe a Labour sympathy vote? Odds are tightening on a Conservative victory. They don't look like attractive odds to me. Con: 8-15 (0.533) Lab: 7-4 (1.750) Heavy Woollen District Independents, Libdems, Greens: 100-1
If Labour lose this one as well... then they're even deader than they were after the Hartlepool By-election. My personal theory as follows. I think the fundamental reason Labour are so f*cked... is that they strapped themselves to the Remain movement after the Brexit Referendum. Labour MP's did everything in their power to stop the UK leaving the EU. Swathes of working class traditional Labour supporting northerners in clear "Leave" seats felt betrayed by their MP's. The clever MP's like Lisa Nandy realised how dangerous it was to speak up for remaining within the EU (or indeed to back the catastrophic Labour policy of re-negotiating a deal with the EU - then to campaign against the deal they just secured in a second referendum. WTF?!?). People are still voting along Brexit lines, they are not returning to the Labour Party. ISTM that the only way forward is for Sir Keir to purge the far left. Just like Neil Kinnock did in 1983. Labour then had to wait 14 years to gain power. So I reckon that means we are looking at a Labour Government in around 2035 :-)
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 24, 2022 7:46:44 GMT
Dust yourself down and go again . Go Boris 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 ! Not his fault though, hence the Party Chairman resigning overnight.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 24, 2022 7:47:54 GMT
absolute walloping in Tiverton Oliver Dowden resigns, but Boris will no doubt carry on as if nothing has happened Expect the 1922 committee to be on manoeuvres soon It'll be interesting to see if anyone else jumps ship in the short term. Watch Rishi Sunak?
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Post by peterparker on Jun 24, 2022 7:53:08 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jun 24, 2022 8:10:27 GMT
Dust yourself down and go again . Go Boris 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 ! There cannot be much more space left on the coffin for more nails.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 24, 2022 8:10:47 GMT
Dust yourself down and go again . Go Boris 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 ! Not his fault though, hence the Party Chairman resigning overnight. Obvs . My bad . 🙄
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 24, 2022 12:29:25 GMT
Will they, though? Plenty of discussions over the next few days, I'm sure. Be interesting next week....perhaps.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 24, 2022 12:49:47 GMT
Will they, though? Plenty of discussions over the next few days, I'm sure. Be interesting next week....perhaps. you just know Gove will be weighing things up the snake that he is and deciding on the optimum time to save his own skin rather than go down with the ship. Whether he is at the point of quitting yet...
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 24, 2022 12:59:32 GMT
Will they, though? Plenty of discussions over the next few days, I'm sure. Be interesting next week....perhaps. you just know Gove will be weighing things up the snake that he is and deciding on the optimum time to save his own skin rather than go down with the ship. Whether he is at the point of quitting yet... I was watching a bit on the news the other day when the cameras panned round the Cabinet. Wallace at Defence and Sunak at the Treasury were I thought the only two competent ministers. The rest such as Raab, Truss, Coffey, Spencer, JRM, et al were so over promoted it was embarrassing. Perhaps that's Boris' ploy, they are only there because of him so loyalty is a given. The public can't oust him until the next GE, backbenchers can't for another 12 months and nobody in Cabinet will tell him to go. He won't resign short of holding a metaphorical gun to his head and I suspect Carrie won't say anything.
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Post by fintanstack on Jun 24, 2022 21:12:10 GMT
Boris is awful but it is probably worth noting the reasons for the By-elections in the first place.
Correct me if I am wrong but one was Tory done for sex offences and the other because a Tory was watching porn in the commons.
That was always going to be a tough gig for whichever two candidates were put forth, regardless of the clown in charge.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 24, 2022 22:29:11 GMT
Boris is awful but it is probably worth noting the reasons for the By-elections in the first place. Correct me if I am wrong but one was Tory done for sex offences and the other because a Tory was watching porn in the commons. That was always going to be a tough gig for whichever two candidates were put forth, regardless of the clown in charge. Reasons . Put any Tory up now and they’d struggle.
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Post by fintanstack on Jun 25, 2022 5:28:29 GMT
Boris is awful but it is probably worth noting the reasons for the By-elections in the first place. Correct me if I am wrong but one was Tory done for sex offences and the other because a Tory was watching porn in the commons. That was always going to be a tough gig for whichever two candidates were put forth, regardless of the clown in charge. Reasons . Put any Tory up now and they’d struggle. Let us hope so. I just hope these results do not make the opposition complacent. I appreciated the information you and Oldie provided for further reading on Starmer but I still think he is a poor leader. Obviously he is off the charts compared to Johnson but given the nature of the scandals associated with both these by-elections I am cautious to accept them as a strong enough indication that enough people have finally woken up.
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Post by francegas on Jun 25, 2022 7:09:57 GMT
Shouldn't that final line read Govt: Your already well paid, stop being so greedy and get back to work. The Govt aren't responsible for deciding your pay rise.
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Post by oldie on Jun 25, 2022 8:21:40 GMT
Shouldn't that final line read Govt: Your already well paid, stop being so greedy and get back to work. The Govt aren't responsible for deciding your pay rise. Do shareholders have no influence on their boards of directors? Is the chair of those boards not the representative link to the shareholders?
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Post by francegas on Jun 25, 2022 11:11:25 GMT
Just having a look at pay rises for 2022 by my old employer. Pay pot of 3% Pay rises of between 2% and 4% for staff depending where they are in the salary scale for their grade. Staff who are above the maximum pay for their pay scale will receive a one off payment of 1% !!
Been looking in the press and cannot see any mention of bank staff coming out on strike yet RMT are demanding between 7-8% for their employees.
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Post by oldie on Jun 25, 2022 11:33:22 GMT
Just having a look at pay rises for 2022 by my old employer. Pay pot of 3% Pay rises of between 2% and 4% for staff depending where they are in the salary scale for their grade. Staff who are above the maximum pay for their pay scale will receive a one off payment of 1% !! Been looking in the press and cannot see any mention of bank staff coming out on strike yet RMT are demanding between 7-8% for their employees. Which bank was that? Did / do they have an investment arm? If so did they pay bonuses for their last fiscal? How much was paid out in dividends and what was the yield on that payment?
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Post by Gassy on Jun 25, 2022 11:56:38 GMT
Just having a look at pay rises for 2022 by my old employer. Pay pot of 3% Pay rises of between 2% and 4% for staff depending where they are in the salary scale for their grade. Staff who are above the maximum pay for their pay scale will receive a one off payment of 1% !! Been looking in the press and cannot see any mention of bank staff coming out on strike yet RMT are demanding between 7-8% for their employees. Which bank was that? Did / do they have an investment arm? If so did they pay bonuses for their last fiscal? How much was paid out in dividends and what was the yield on that payment? Didn’t rail workers also not get an increase for the last 2/3 years?
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Post by peterparker on Jun 25, 2022 12:09:18 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 25, 2022 14:41:19 GMT
Gerrymandering.
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