This Government

You’re welcome to. That’s what I would prefer.

I’m often wrong about things, like everyone else. I’ll happily change my mind.

What I’m not interested in is yah-booh juvenile nonsense.

The only topics I could be perceived arrogant on are those on which I know I am fairly well versed in.

I feel a little bit like a doctor speaking to someone saying “mate! You stupid d***, hemp cures everything bro (posts article from some webpage as proof)

Ok
Which topics do you feel most comfortable with (well versed as you put it)?

Economics/investments.

The thing is, the fact that now this is going to descend where I state an opinion, the however many of you trawl your friendly news sources to discredit this, just kind of lends this part of the forum to being basically a hostile space for anyone who isn’t a remainer, or a labour voter. This is kind of what I’m addressing.

I think people forget that tories, or whomever you disagree with, are human beings with their own values, and their own beliefs and they’ve got to them not due to (predictable suggestion) reading the daily Mail, or being “led astray” but they just have different values to you, and they are not to be demonised or slandered.

I don’t agree with socialism or left wing ideas in the main but I don’t assume everyone who does is stupid and to be insulted.
I do find this a curious trait generally of the left. The right of centre think they’re right, the left seem to believe they KNOW they’re right, and it’s not about opinion, it’s about moral right or wrong, and that tories have chosen to be morally reprehensible. This then enables whatever abuse, insults and gang banging.
As a whole, I do see the right mocking the left as “snowflakes” or “loonies” but I don’t think 4 tories would be quite as vitriolic towards a stray leftie as is evidenced here.

I’ve voted for labour and the tories in my lifetime, and I was once a revolutionary socialist so I know these positions well.

Ultimately I’m pragmatic about things so while I sympathise with the ideas of fairness, and better public services, and more money to the poor, there are some fundamental, long established problems with quick win solutions or simple ideas like “get the tories out and problem solved”. It’s really, really hard to do. Ask yourself, have labour ever solved them? Has anyone?

Hence if I come off a bit arrogant on certain points it’s because I’ve thought about them for a long time very carefully and It’s quite difficult to not be candid in response because simplistic solutions to complex problems don’t work.

Please do , but no long words . 

Now I know why I rarely come on here to post! To be called childish and a bully. Wonderful!!

Your awareness of engaging with other who have views different from yours is poor. You complain about name calling then proceed to name call. And I really tried!
From what you’ve posted it looks like you treat many situations as a “paper exercise”, not just austerity. I’m surprised because I’m sure you’re aware that working with people, having empathy, listening to them, working in a team and seeking to change the views of others requires a skill set that you seem to struggle with. It seems perhaps you don’t work with people.

And before you say I know nothing about you, you’re right I don’t but all I can do, and all anyone else can do, is read what you post and how you respond to others especially when they have different opinions. I suspect you like saying things to see the effect on others, winding them up in other words. And of course succeeding. 😉

Absolutely right Les,I would add one thing, politicians have to be brave and bring forward capital investment projects to stimulate the economy,how about additional tax incentives for the private sector to invest?

You were incredibly obnoxious and talked down to people from your very first post in this section. So don’t get on your moral high horse . Thinking you know more than anyone else ( you might well do ? ) .
Come with a little humility and you would get a bit more respect . 

cheers Fin ! 😂
‘or even just called Yattongas a twat, that would have been just fine.’

We saw recently what unfunded borrowing will do at this point to the £ and to the sovereign debt markets.

I think the net cost was about £40BN. So unfunded borrowing at this level will tank a lot of the above.

There is one way we could get some more capital. Encourage multinationals to list in London. This might involve things like a corporation tax cut or perhaps even a bonus cap being removed.
The bonus cap is a strange one to be opposed because A/ they just pay them higher basic salary as they do currently and B/ capping bonus just means the profit theoretically remains on the balance sheet. It doesn’t get paid to lower paid staff, it goes to the shareholders. Of that budget, the Ctax cut and the bonus cap scrapping actually made sense. London is extremely competitive for banking, and banking pays for the NHS. London props this country up.

If we look at this on the surface. Large businesses pay less tax and bankers earn more: to the public, this is an outrage. The reality of it is that we have no divine right to have Rio, Astra et Al to list in London. Lots of countries out there will happily have them.

We can’t borrow any more essentially, we have hit the limit. The other thing to feel more positive about is much of the sell off is partly due to asset managers itching to dump risk and a limp from any country gets them hovering over their sell trades. I don’t believe that budget would have been received so poorly had we not had a very bearish market.

I agree in principle that now would be the time to borrow, but the fact is we have done this for too long.

Having to fund everything is going to create a very hostile political sphere. It’s actually a good thing. If you want a tax cut, the result on public spending will hurt you at the GPs. If you want more NHS funding; you actually have to pay for it. People will see what things cost and the lack of magic bullets, cost, comparison and compromise.

I don’t have any answers. I would have said cut Ctax but here we are. Recessions happen. The world doesn’t end. Human history is filled with ruined harvests and plagues. In the long run, borrowing our way out every time will not work because no government will ever run a surplus. One of the issues with democracy: everyone concentrates on the next 5 years only.