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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 7:37:47 GMT
Mrs Lionheart has the Next 'sale' firmly in view … so it must be 'pay day' - end of the month - Nearly July 1st and New Signings opportunity as lower level Contracts up and down the country terminate.
Who are you realistically hoping to see in …. Who are you Expecting to see in...Who do you think might still move on?
For me … New Left Back, New Experienced Centre Back , Two in the Midfield ( one defence minded , one who can link play quickly) New Striker.
Of some of the names linked with us so far …. Grant, Ehmer and Hiwula would be brilliant … Baldwin ok if we need him. No idea around midfield as BG + TW certainly have contacts and again we may well bring in people I have never heard of …. don't care if they can do the job for us.
Think we have two, maybe three who will move on …
Interesting times.... Get the combination right and I think we could do well....So who would you like to see in and who are you expecting to join / leave potentially.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 29, 2020 7:54:05 GMT
If there are more players being released in the EFL than usual coz of the effects of the lockdown, and there are fewer players being taken on by clubs for the same reason, then that is bound to lead to better players being available for cheaper. It will be interesting to see how that actually manifests in our league, and to see which clubs are able to take advantage of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 8:02:49 GMT
If there are more players being released in the EFL than usual coz of the effects of the lockdown, and there are fewer players being taken on by clubs for the same reason, then that is bound to lead to better players being available for cheaper. It will be interesting to see how that actually manifests in our league, and to see which clubs are able to take advantage of it. Its a great point … Will be an interesting 'window' for sure . There could be some talented names waiting late to see what offers may materialise from anywhere … I think BG will look to get his business done early and just maybe there might be some last minute loan activity. |
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Post by bovrilsorters on Jun 29, 2020 8:12:34 GMT
I think that clubs that are financially more secure and prepared to take players on 1st July will be at an advantage and can sign a slightly higher calibre of player. Many clubs with limited income and no immediate prospect of resumption will likely want to keep their wage bill down until back in training. Rolling the dice and paying an extra month or 2 on a players contract could see teams get ahead of the competition
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 8:46:13 GMT
I think that clubs that are financially more secure and prepared to take players on 1st July will be at an advantage and can sign a slightly higher calibre of player. Many clubs with limited income and no immediate prospect of resumption will likely want to keep their wage bill down until back in training. Rolling the dice and paying an extra month or 2 on a players contract could see teams get ahead of the competition I don't see many clubs as being financially secure when they have zero gate income coming in? And not for the foreseeable future. Any other business, as we are witnessing, would shut up shop. Will be interesting to see how Wael deals with the current cash flow deficit and the degree to which he allows it to accumulate over the next twelve months. So, far from being secure, I would contend we are teetering on a knife edge, subject to either the whim of one man or his financial capacity, or both. Let's hope he is using this time wisely to try and work out a plan of sustainability one which, I suspect, will require supporters expectations to be very much curtailed. |
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Post by bovrilsorters on Jun 29, 2020 8:51:24 GMT
I think that clubs that are financially more secure and prepared to take players on 1st July will be at an advantage and can sign a slightly higher calibre of player. Many clubs with limited income and no immediate prospect of resumption will likely want to keep their wage bill down until back in training. Rolling the dice and paying an extra month or 2 on a players contract could see teams get ahead of the competition I don't see many clubs as being financially secure when they have zero gate income coming in? And not for the foreseeable future. Any other business, as we are witnessing, would shut up shop. Will be interesting to see how Wael deals with the current cash flow deficit and the degree to which he allows it to accumulate over the next twelve months. So, far from being secure, I would contend we are teetering on a knife edge, subject to either the whim of one man or his financial capacity, or both. Let's hope he is using this time wisely to try and work out a plan of sustainability one which, I suspect, will require supporters expectations to be very much curtailed. Agree with you and not trying to suggest that we go down the route on investing and increasing our losses short term. Just that there will be certain clubs with owners who can maybe take a greater hit that will be willing to strike early in the market, as many players will take a move to a 'lesser' club than would normally sign for to gain the security of a contract immediately and not being part of the feeding frenzy once the market re-opens across the board. Expect clubs like Mansfield in L2 to employ this model |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 8:59:56 GMT
I don't see many clubs as being financially secure when they have zero gate income coming in? And not for the foreseeable future. Any other business, as we are witnessing, would shut up shop. Will be interesting to see how Wael deals with the current cash flow deficit and the degree to which he allows it to accumulate over the next twelve months. So, far from being secure, I would contend we are teetering on a knife edge, subject to either the whim of one man or his financial capacity, or both. Let's hope he is using this time wisely to try and work out a plan of sustainability one which, I suspect, will require supporters expectations to be very much curtailed. Agree with you and not trying to suggest that we go down the route on investing and increasing our losses short term. Just that there will be certain clubs with owners who can maybe take a greater hit that will be willing to strike early in the market, as many players will take a move to a 'lesser' club than would normally sign for to gain the security of a contract immediately and not being part of the feeding frenzy once the market re-opens across the board. Expect clubs like Mansfield in L2 to employ this model Yes I understand your logic and on paper makes sense. I am wondering out loud if some owners might say, no, we need to cut our costs to the bone. So no new players unless they are cheaper than the players we already have Something has to give in this scenario, it's either the cost base in volume terms, or players have to get used to far lower levels of income. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 29, 2020 9:01:15 GMT
I find it best to have neither
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 29, 2020 9:04:29 GMT
Agree with you and not trying to suggest that we go down the route on investing and increasing our losses short term. Just that there will be certain clubs with owners who can maybe take a greater hit that will be willing to strike early in the market, as many players will take a move to a 'lesser' club than would normally sign for to gain the security of a contract immediately and not being part of the feeding frenzy once the market re-opens across the board. Expect clubs like Mansfield in L2 to employ this model Yes I understand your logic and on paper makes sense. I am wondering out loud if some owners might say, no, we need to cut our costs to the bone. So no new players unless they are cheaper than the players we already have Something has to give in this scenario, it's either the cost base in volume terms, or players have to get used to far lower levels of income. Yeah, I think a lot of clubs will end up with worse/smaller squads deliberately this year, which means it will be possible for those squads with decent means to have larger/better squads for cheaper than it would cost usually. On paper, this should lead to a larger gap between the top clubs and the bottom ones, but as we know, the game's not played on paper. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 29, 2020 9:05:32 GMT
There's still talk of a salary cap being in place for next season, if it is the rumoured £2.5m for all L1 sides then that could well restrict who we can sign this summer. There's also suggestions at least Lincoln and Rochdale won't be signing anybody until at least closer to next season starting, so it sounds like we could be in for an interesting summer, transfer activity wise.
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Post by Westy on Jun 29, 2020 9:05:54 GMT
Agree with you and not trying to suggest that we go down the route on investing and increasing our losses short term. Just that there will be certain clubs with owners who can maybe take a greater hit that will be willing to strike early in the market, as many players will take a move to a 'lesser' club than would normally sign for to gain the security of a contract immediately and not being part of the feeding frenzy once the market re-opens across the board. Expect clubs like Mansfield in L2 to employ this model Yes I understand your logic and on paper makes sense. I am wondering out loud if some owners might say, no, we need to cut our costs to the bone. So no new players unless they are cheaper than the players we already have Something has to give in this scenario, it's either the cost base in volume terms, or players have to get used to far lower levels of income. Free markets tend to balance themselves out after a fashion. I think one issue is that team's getting business done early might opt for wages on last season's budget (out of a matter of course), only to find a few weeks later the wage market has gone down once more business has been done across the league's, and that could end up with some major discrepancies in wages and transfer fees that will cause a headache making immediate decisions on signings, as well as long term business and finance decisions. Do we sign a willing player now on 2k a week, or give it a while and hope come August the same players are only asking, or being offered, 1k? Instinct says get the players in, get the deals done. Brain says it might not be a good idea and to let the market play out a bit first 🤔 |
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Post by bovrilsorters on Jun 29, 2020 9:06:34 GMT
Agree with you and not trying to suggest that we go down the route on investing and increasing our losses short term. Just that there will be certain clubs with owners who can maybe take a greater hit that will be willing to strike early in the market, as many players will take a move to a 'lesser' club than would normally sign for to gain the security of a contract immediately and not being part of the feeding frenzy once the market re-opens across the board. Expect clubs like Mansfield in L2 to employ this model Yes I understand your logic and on paper makes sense. I am wondering out loud if some owners might say, no, we need to cut our costs to the bone. So no new players unless they are cheaper than the players we already have Something has to give in this scenario, it's either the cost base in volume terms, or players have to get used to far lower levels of income. I think there are many different strategies that will be employed by clubs, the most common probably will be to hold back on signing players for as long as possible and hope that with a large pool or players available it will drag down wage demands. The market should be stacked more towards clubs than players this year with a crazy number of players out of contract and clubs likely to trim down squad size, its a change in balance from previous years and such an unprecedented economic position for football that anything could happen! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 9:20:21 GMT
Good debate.
Thinking of BRFC, a lot depends, I think, on the backdrop to which Wael is operating. Could it be there is a financial strategy in place?
Just putting it out there, but;
Could it be that the new owners of the fruit market have BRFC as an integral part of their business plan?. Could it be that the cleaning of the balance sheet was to give Wael some leverage in what share of that business plan he could attempt to accrue for himself?
Could it be that that the forecast revenues from a new stadium changes the cost dynamic?
If so if any of that turns out to be true then surely he will want to minimise losses in the interim and max incomes? (Elevation of the commercial role to director and appoint at the same level of a Comms guy)
Might it be that this interim period is designated to give "space" to Garner, as a coach, to develop young players without fear of being sacked if the league position "stagnates" at say 15th. ?
Just thinking out loud
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jun 29, 2020 9:32:53 GMT
I think being a Gas ed is all about hope and very little expectation! The club, in the shape of Wael, Ben, and the rest of the recruitment and coaching staff seem to have a clear vision of how they want Rovers to play and whether you agree or not it is good to have that clarity and that every one understands what we are striving for and the part they play in achieving the goals.(no pun intended but it fits!)
My hope is that the tragic events of this year have given football the reality check it needed and may be out of necessity we will place a strong emphasis on bringing our own players through ,several of whom i have high hopes for, and i think Ben has the kind of character to help and encourage them to fulfil there undoubted potential, i also hope fans are patient with them and forgive when they make the odd mistake.
I hope we can find a midfield general to help the likes of Tomlinson and co , he may be on our books already for all i know as one or two of Bens recent signings may ,having had the benefit of a long preseason to get match fit, be the answer, or we may be able to pick up a gem from other clubs there being a large pool of players available due to recent events. The same could be said of a partner for JCH, recent signings who we did not really get a chance to judge may come good as may one of the development squad players.
We have plenty of options at the back now especially if the two recent potentials actually do sign, and G/K situation is fine. so to sum up , at last we are addressing the midfield conundrum and will no longer be playing the same old any 4 from 6 with little success, which has been my main bone of contention i.e. which ever combination we try ,it does not work! and the rest of the squad seems to be coming together nicely , i am looking forward to an exiting season ahead where young talent shines ,resulting in a strong top half finish leading to a real challenge the following season, this time i really do expect ,not just hope! the opposite applies to actually being there to witness the evolution, i hope to be there but due to continued restrictions don't really expect to be there, up the Rovers
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 29, 2020 10:07:04 GMT
Good debate. Thinking of BRFC, a lot depends, I think, on the backdrop to which Wael is operating. Could it be there is a financial strategy in place? Just putting it out there, but; Could it be that the new owners of the fruit market have BRFC as an integral part of their business plan?. Could it be that the cleaning of the balance sheet was to give Wael some leverage in what share of that business plan he could attempt to accrue for himself? Could it be that that the forecast revenues from a new stadium changes the cost dynamic? If so if any of that turns out to be true then surely he will want to minimise losses in the interim and max incomes? (Elevation of the commercial role to director and appoint at the same level of a Comms guy) Might it be that this interim period is designated to give "space" to Garner, as a coach, to develop young players without fear of being sacked if the league position "stagnates" at say 15th. ? Just thinking out loud If we sign Grant, Ehmer & Butler this week that blows out of the water BG's just going to be developing young players as they all sound like plyers ready for 1st team action to me. I'm not really sure how much breathing space fans will give BG even if Wael is prepared to give him a season, season ticket sales will do well to beat 2,000/3,000 this summer so something is going to have to attract fans to the Mem (whenever they are let back in!). |
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Post by darkbluegas on Jun 29, 2020 10:17:20 GMT
All this talk of squads/signings/budgets but does anyone have any idea when next season is yet?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 29, 2020 10:18:07 GMT
I have very little hope & expectations for "Next" Season
I "hope" that i can watch live football at the Mem with friends and enjoy watching a young but competitive team
I "expect" that it will be on ifollow for the first 10 or so games into the new season when it starts and we have a young but struggling team
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jun 29, 2020 10:48:12 GMT
I go into every season full of hope but the level of expectation varies according to a number of factors. Factors include things such as the strength of the squad, the competence of the manager and the division we are playing in.
At the time of writing my expectations are fairly low based on the gaps in the squad. If BG can address those shortfalls he may surprise us all.
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Post by wilkimania on Jun 29, 2020 11:24:36 GMT
I thought we'd struggle in a relegation fight this season and we finished mid table so if we build a squad that I think could finish mid-table then the hope is that the skies the limit.
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Post by markczgas on Jun 29, 2020 11:28:19 GMT
I always get excited this time of year when players leave and new ones come in, but at the front of my mind I keep thinking BUT are we going to see them play and when ?
When will the season start ? anyone got some information on that ?
Will it be behind closed doors once it starts or reduced capacity ? If so, who gets to go ?
So the hope/expectations are very fuzzy for me at the moment.
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