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Post by landrover on Jun 29, 2020 11:33:18 GMT
I think that the consequences of the pandemic has benefitted us more than most. We finished the season on a high which has basically covered over all the cracks. With only three teams being relegated this year we were getting uncomfortably close to them. The closedown of the lower leagues came at just the right time. Salary caps would clearly level up the playing field so to speak. BG continually talked a great game so now will be his chance to prove it.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 29, 2020 12:18:35 GMT
There's still talk of a salary cap being in place for next season, if it is the rumoured £2.5m for all L1 sides then that could well restrict who we can sign this summer. There's also suggestions at least Lincoln and Rochdale won't be signing anybody until at least closer to next season starting, so it sounds like we could be in for an interesting summer, transfer activity wise. £2.5m is still a huge budget for L1 and the only teams it will hurt is Ipswich, Pompey and Sunderland. Our budget at its peak was £2.65m for season ending 2018/19 and this was reduced for 19/20. Given that we have released a few high earners in Craig Nichols and Sercombe, we will have some room for budget for new players.
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Post by blueridge on Jun 29, 2020 12:28:42 GMT
I always get excited this time of year when players leave and new ones come in, but at the front of my mind I keep thinking BUT are we going to see them play and when ? When will the season start ? anyone got some information on that ? Will it be behind closed doors once it starts or reduced capacity ? If so, who gets to go ? So the hope/expectations are very fuzzy for me at the moment. BP suggesting EFL meeting this week with proposals for a September 5th start behind closed doors with no supporters until mid point through the season - so IF true no spectators until next January.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 12:40:33 GMT
Good debate. Thinking of BRFC, a lot depends, I think, on the backdrop to which Wael is operating. Could it be there is a financial strategy in place? Just putting it out there, but; Could it be that the new owners of the fruit market have BRFC as an integral part of their business plan?. Could it be that the cleaning of the balance sheet was to give Wael some leverage in what share of that business plan he could attempt to accrue for himself? Could it be that that the forecast revenues from a new stadium changes the cost dynamic? If so if any of that turns out to be true then surely he will want to minimise losses in the interim and max incomes? (Elevation of the commercial role to director and appoint at the same level of a Comms guy) Might it be that this interim period is designated to give "space" to Garner, as a coach, to develop young players without fear of being sacked if the league position "stagnates" at say 15th. ? Just thinking out loud If we sign Grant, Ehmer & Butler this week that blows out of the water BG's just going to be developing young players as they all sound like plyers ready for 1st team action to me. I'm not really sure how much breathing space fans will give BG even if Wael is prepared to give him a season, season ticket sales will do well to beat 2,000/3,000 this summer so something is going to have to attract fans to the Mem (whenever they are let back in!). But I think Topper, that's the challenge (Maybe) for fans. Are we patient enough, with a strategic target in mind, to accept say 2 or 3 years of sustainability and finishing 15th (pick a number)? Managing expectations is going to be key.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 12:43:19 GMT
All this talk of squads/signings/budgets but does anyone have any idea when next season is yet? October 1st. You heard it here first.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 29, 2020 12:52:03 GMT
October!
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Post by Marshy on Jun 29, 2020 12:55:49 GMT
Yes, the same time as the next marble race.
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Post by pirate on Jun 29, 2020 12:58:38 GMT
There's still talk of a salary cap being in place for next season, if it is the rumoured £2.5m for all L1 sides then that could well restrict who we can sign this summer. There's also suggestions at least Lincoln and Rochdale won't be signing anybody until at least closer to next season starting, so it sounds like we could be in for an interesting summer, transfer activity wise. £2.5m is still a huge budget for L1 and the only teams it will hurt is Ipswich, Pompey and Sunderland. Our budget at its peak was £2.65m for season ending 2018/19 and this was reduced for 19/20. Given that we have released a few high earners in Craig Nichols and Sercombe, we will have some room for budget for new players. Listening to the latest 'Price of Football' podcast there aren't any clubs in League One currently within the suggested £2.5m cap and the average League One budget is closer to £7.5m? Only Accrington come close to £2.5m apparently.
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Post by darkbluegas on Jun 29, 2020 12:59:39 GMT
All this talk of squads/signings/budgets but does anyone have any idea when next season is yet? October 1st. You heard it here first. Cheers for that, any thoughts on which year?
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Post by poorblue on Jun 29, 2020 12:59:55 GMT
£2.5m is still a huge budget for L1 and the only teams it will hurt is Ipswich, Pompey and Sunderland. Our budget at its peak was £2.65m for season ending 2018/19 and this was reduced for 19/20. Given that we have released a few high earners in Craig Nichols and Sercombe, we will have some room for budget for new players. Two thing contracts and pay caps. First regarding contracts, I've read on this forum "so must be true" that contracts terminate end of June. Normally players report back for pre-season in July so they must be under contract during this period for a August season start. However during the close season and when the transfer window is open those players not under contract would have a one month "farewell" termination payment taking them to the August season start. This would help the players until all the transfers bartering come about. i.e those player out of contract have no pay during the transfer window from August and into September. However as this season is not expected to commence until September and pre-season not starting until August I presume most out of contract players will still be paid by the departing club and not start their contract with the new club until August when preseason training commences. Regarding the pay cap. Not sure how this would work as depending on each club they have existing players under contract and are about to sign players and no salary cap has been agreed to date, therefore it would not be legal to retrospectively apply it. If nothing else the PFA would go ballistic if players could not be emplyed because of it. It therefore must be within the new salary cap rules for it to take account of existing contracts.
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Post by darkbluegas on Jun 29, 2020 13:00:39 GMT
October 1st. You heard it here first. Cheers for that, any thoughts on which year? We could, perhaps, combine it with the opening of the new stadium
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 29, 2020 13:02:56 GMT
Title sums up being a Rovers fan, it’s all about hope over expectation and always has been with the occasional season or two when the expectation happens and the hope is met. Doesn’t happen often but when it does it’s great. As oldie said, lots of good views and debate.
As ever we are dependent upon others over this. We need to know: 1. The government’s position on crowds gathering in large numbers. 2. Once that’s achieved the EFL need to put a calendar together with firm dates for all clubs to work to. 3. Once that’s in place each club will decide their own way forward. 4. There may be external factors that others have said eg new ground, new investment that we don’t currently know about. And the rumours of a wage cap for League 1.
Once these become clear the club will decide upon the players needed. I wonder if players could sign provisional contracts under a minimum wage before expanding it once clubs return to normal. Probably not but just a thought. It would be a risky strategy to sign up players now when it may be end of September or October before we play and longer before crowds come back. I’d opt for being cautious but I’m sure others would disagree. Player’s negotiating position will be different in September when no one’s signed them than it will be in July when they think clubs will want them. A few months without wages will make many players more “reasonable” I would guess. But if the club sign players now then I trust the club to have done its homework and think these are players we need to be successful. And of course we won’t be privy to a lot of information that the club may know about. We “seem” to be in a better position than some inso far as Wael has capitalised our debt and indicated that we are stronger than we were. Some clubs like Rochdale seem to have put the whole club on hold for the foreseeable future until it’s clearer what will happen. Is Lincoln the same? Im sure there will be others who are being cautious and making very few signings. I’m certainly hoping for a more sustainable club with players on sensible wages even if it consigns us to mid-table. As I keep telling myself, we’re BRFC not Man U. Again, I don’t expect others to agree!!
And to answer the OP I’m hopeful, but then I always am. 😀
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 13:09:20 GMT
October 1st. You heard it here first. Cheers for that, any thoughts on which year? Damn A sharp eyed fan...pinning me down😜😜😜😂
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 29, 2020 13:12:41 GMT
£2.5m is still a huge budget for L1 and the only teams it will hurt is Ipswich, Pompey and Sunderland. Our budget at its peak was £2.65m for season ending 2018/19 and this was reduced for 19/20. Given that we have released a few high earners in Craig Nichols and Sercombe, we will have some room for budget for new players. Two thing contracts and pay caps. First regarding contracts, I've read on this forum "so must be true" that contracts terminate end of June. Normally players report back for pre-season in July so they must be under contract during this period for a August season start. However during the close season and when the transfer window is open those players not under contract would have a one month "farewell" termination payment taking them to the August season start. This would help the players until all the transfers bartering come about. i.e those player out of contract have no pay during the transfer window from August and into September. However as this season is not expected to commence until September and pre-season not starting until August I presume most out of contract players will still be paid by the departing club and not start their contract with the new club until August when preseason training commences. Regarding the pay cap. Not sure how this would work as depending on each club they have existing players under contract and are about to sign players and no salary cap has been agreed to date, therefore it would not be legal to retrospectively apply it. If nothing else the PFA would go ballistic if players could not be emplyed because of it. It therefore must be within the new salary cap rules for it to take account of existing contracts. Pretty sure one of the reasons L1 didn't resume was due to clubs not wanting to extend players contracts, so it's not just forum talk but seems a fact their contracts end on the 30 June. There's no way clubs are voluntary going to pay players another month's salary just because of CV19. As far as the salary cap the PFA is already challenging the decision but what will players sooner happen, a few high earners refuse to take a pay cut or the whole lower leagues collapse, as they can't afford to pay the likes of KB £4,500 a week when they are not even getting that amount in via the turnstiles?
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Post by c4h10 on Jun 29, 2020 13:24:32 GMT
I think being a Gas ed is all about hope and very little expectation! The club, in the shape of Wael, Ben, and the rest of the recruitment and coaching staff seem to have a clear vision of how they want Rovers to play and whether you agree or not it is good to have that clarity and that every one understands what we are striving for and the part they play in achieving the goals.(no pun intended but it fits!) My hope is that the tragic events of this year have given football the reality check it needed and may be out of necessity we will place a strong emphasis on bringing our own players through ,several of whom i have high hopes for, and i think Ben has the kind of character to help and encourage them to fulfil there undoubted potential, i also hope fans are patient with them and forgive when they make the odd mistake. I hope we can find a midfield general to help the likes of Tomlinson and co , he may be on our books already for all i know as one or two of Bens recent signings may ,having had the benefit of a long preseason to get match fit, be the answer, or we may be able to pick up a gem from other clubs there being a large pool of players available due to recent events. The same could be said of a partner for JCH, recent signings who we did not really get a chance to judge may come good as may one of the development squad players. We have plenty of options at the back now especially if the two recent potentials actually do sign, and G/K situation is fine. so to sum up , at last we are addressing the midfield conundrum and will no longer be playing the same old any 4 from 6 with little success, which has been my main bone of contention i.e. which ever combination we try ,it does not work! and the rest of the squad seems to be coming together nicely , i am looking forward to an exiting season ahead where young talent shines ,resulting in a strong top half finish leading to a real challenge the following season, this time i really do expect ,not just hope! the opposite applies to actually being there to witness the evolution, i hope to be there but due to continued restrictions don't really expect to be there, up the Rovers I do hope not!
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 29, 2020 13:39:15 GMT
Probably echoes many, for me my hope is that we sign an experienced spine with emphasis on pace and guile in midfield.
The spine of the team is nearly there if we do get the two defenders mentioned prevously with Jakkola and JCH the others.
We seem to have been unable to replace Lines and Taylor adequately and those types would be my first choice signings before we fill out other areas.
A good first XI of a few old heads, players in their prime and young talent with further youngsters as backup seems a reasonable target.
With the training ground started, off field I'd hope we can lower costs and maximise income which with TG's promotion looks promising.
We can't simply reset the losses clock only to build it back up again, so I expect something is going on, what that is though....
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Post by c4h10 on Jun 29, 2020 13:52:56 GMT
Not just Rovers supporters, but thousands of football supporters have paid up for 20/21 season tickets, not knowing whether games will be played or not, and said "Don't refund me for 20/20's lost games, use it for youth development (or whatever is suggested) instead." I read somewhere (on here?) that every Grimsby season ticket holder said just that. Given those circumstances, I do hope that football clubs will not spend funds received in this way on inflated wages, or worse still, lining the pockets of players' agents. It will be interesting in a year's time to see how much money League One and Two clubs have shovelled towards agents.
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Post by poorblue on Jun 29, 2020 14:25:26 GMT
Two thing contracts and pay caps. First regarding contracts, I've read on this forum "so must be true" that contracts terminate end of June. Normally players report back for pre-season in July so they must be under contract during this period for a August season start. However during the close season and when the transfer window is open those players not under contract would have a one month "farewell" termination payment taking them to the August season start. This would help the players until all the transfers bartering come about. i.e those player out of contract have no pay during the transfer window from August and into September. However as this season is not expected to commence until September and pre-season not starting until August I presume most out of contract players will still be paid by the departing club and not start their contract with the new club until August when preseason training commences. Regarding the pay cap. Not sure how this would work as depending on each club they have existing players under contract and are about to sign players and no salary cap has been agreed to date, therefore it would not be legal to retrospectively apply it. If nothing else the PFA would go ballistic if players could not be emplyed because of it. It therefore must be within the new salary cap rules for it to take account of existing contracts. Pretty sure one of the reasons L1 didn't resume was due to clubs not wanting to extend players contracts, so it's not just forum talk but seems a fact their contracts end on the 30 June. There's no way clubs are voluntary going to pay players another month's salary just because of CV19. As far as the salary cap the PFA is already challenging the decision but what will players sooner happen, a few high earners refuse to take a pay cut or the whole lower leagues collapse, as they can't afford to pay the likes of KB £4,500 a week when they are not even getting that amount in via the turnstiles? It's a fact player contracts end 30th June, it's a fact all players in the top 4 leagues under EFL rules and agreed by the PFA that they will get one month SERVERENCE PAY covering July unless they sign for another team.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 29, 2020 14:47:57 GMT
Pretty sure one of the reasons L1 didn't resume was due to clubs not wanting to extend players contracts, so it's not just forum talk but seems a fact their contracts end on the 30 June. There's no way clubs are voluntary going to pay players another month's salary just because of CV19. As far as the salary cap the PFA is already challenging the decision but what will players sooner happen, a few high earners refuse to take a pay cut or the whole lower leagues collapse, as they can't afford to pay the likes of KB £4,500 a week when they are not even getting that amount in via the turnstiles? It's a fact player contracts end 30th June, it's a fact all players in the top 4 leagues under EFL rules and agreed by the PFA that they will get one month SERVERENCE PAY covering July unless they sign for another team. Calm down there's now need to shout, players have seemingly always been due the severance pay so this summer is really no different than any others in tat regard. The only difference is that the likes of Sercs are probably going to have to wait to get paid by their new club, although perhaps they always did.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jun 29, 2020 14:51:21 GMT
I think being a Gas ed is all about hope and very little expectation! The club, in the shape of Wael, Ben, and the rest of the recruitment and coaching staff seem to have a clear vision of how they want Rovers to play and whether you agree or not it is good to have that clarity and that every one understands what we are striving for and the part they play in achieving the goals.(no pun intended but it fits!) My hope is that the tragic events of this year have given football the reality check it needed and may be out of necessity we will place a strong emphasis on bringing our own players through ,several of whom i have high hopes for, and i think Ben has the kind of character to help and encourage them to fulfil there undoubted potential, i also hope fans are patient with them and forgive when they make the odd mistake. I hope we can find a midfield general to help the likes of Tomlinson and co , he may be on our books already for all i know as one or two of Bens recent signings may ,having had the benefit of a long preseason to get match fit, be the answer, or we may be able to pick up a gem from other clubs there being a large pool of players available due to recent events. The same could be said of a partner for JCH, recent signings who we did not really get a chance to judge may come good as may one of the development squad players. We have plenty of options at the back now especially if the two recent potentials actually do sign, and G/K situation is fine. so to sum up , at last we are addressing the midfield conundrum and will no longer be playing the same old any 4 from 6 with little success, which has been my main bone of contention i.e. which ever combination we try ,it does not work! and the rest of the squad seems to be coming together nicely , i am looking forward to an exiting season ahead where young talent shines ,resulting in a strong top half finish leading to a real challenge the following season, this time i really do expect ,not just hope! the opposite applies to actually being there to witness the evolution, i hope to be there but due to continued restrictions don't really expect to be there, up the Rovers I do hope not! OK i have figured it out now and can C my mistake, glad you spotted that one SGT Wilson!
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